Time Warner, NBC Universal delay iPad support in preference to Flash

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  • Reply 21 of 159
    cgc0202cgc0202 Posts: 624member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post


    **Scratches head**



    Android 2.2 support Adobe Flash 2.2 and it's already out for the Nexus One. On top of that, the Nexus One running Android 2.2 can play content from Hulu:



    http://www.absolutelyandroid.com/gui...oid-2-2-froyo/



    Do you happen to be one of the fortunate ones to have been able to buy a Nexus One? And which telecom carrier do you use?



    And did you try them Hulus? Stable viewing all the time, or some of the time? Or did you just take it for granted:



    "What Hulu says, must be..."



    And because you are the epitome of reliability, we too must follow.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post


    To be honest, I'd rather have the choice on my device of which platform I wanted to use instead of someone forcing me one way or the other. HTML5 isn't ready to take over 98% (or whatever number Adobe is throwing around these days), so until that does happen, I'll have to side with the NBC/Time Warner guys.



    That should not be difficult enough for any rational person to do, without having to proclaim his/her convictions in the Apple Kingdom.



    If the iPhone or any Apple mobile devices do not meet your need, I assure you (Steve Jobs told me so), you will not go to prison, or will be publicly castigated, if you do not buy them Apple products.



    I hear there are even buy one take one of them Android phones. You can watch any Flash video in two, at the same time. It's a new discovery -- stereo movies -- I was told. The most recent Google patent.



    Better believe it, if it is porn, them stereo movies make you feel it. "IT" as in really "IT". You know what I mean? The ultimate!



    Don't waste your time with this Apple fanbois, I tell you. They are so far delusional, about anything Apple this and Apple that. No self-respecting missionary like you must even dream they shall ever be converted. Even if it leads you to be cannonized by Adobe, into sure Sainthood.



    Unless of course, you are the second Jesus, coming to bring the true Jesus phone, to save the world.



    CGC
  • Reply 22 of 159
    g3prog3pro Posts: 669member
    Steve Jobs hates Flash because he knows that he doesn't have control over it.



    Why should anyone decide to follow Steve's lead when the whole point of his silly argument is that he wants to dominate his users and developers?
  • Reply 23 of 159
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post


    **Scratches head**



    Android 2.2 support Adobe Flash 2.2 and it's already out for the Nexus One. On top of that, the Nexus One running Android 2.2 can play content from Hulu:



    http://www.absolutelyandroid.com/gui...oid-2-2-froyo/



    I have a friend with a Nexus One and she couldn't find a DL page it. Do you have a link?



    As for Flash on the Nexus One, that is an excellent example of Adobe dropping the ball. it's almost June 2010 and I can't find a open Beta for Flash 10.1 for mobiles. When it does arrive it's only going to be for very select Android phones and there are still inherent issues with it. Power usage, speed and browser issues, and the ability to stream Hulu seem to still plague it. Those aren't trival things.



    The bottom line is that Adobe did not have Flash for the iPhone in 2007, 2008, or 2009. it's now mid-2010 and they still don't have a viable product. When Flash is shipping on all non-iPhone smartphones and no longer has the issues mentioned above then Apple will need to rethink their position, and Time Warner, NBC and others will have a position on Flash worth defending, but until then HTML5 video tag or a dedicated app are the by far the best option for the fast growing mobile sector.
  • Reply 24 of 159
    mazda 3smazda 3s Posts: 1,613member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cgc0202 View Post


    Do you happen to be one of the fortunate ones to have been able to buy a Nexus One? And which telecom carrier do you use?



    And did you try them Hulus? Stable viewing all the time, or some of the time?



    CGC



    Oh hellz no. I wasn't crazy enough to spend $500+ to get one unlocked direct from Google



    But from all the reports I've seen on the web of the Nexus One running Hulu, it appears to work just fine.
  • Reply 25 of 159
    stldougstldoug Posts: 10member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post


    They have every right to stick to their guns. If Apple wants to push forward with HTML5, that's their choice as well.



    To be honest, I'd rather have the choice on my device of which platform I wanted to use instead of someone forcing me one way or the other. HTML5 isn't ready to take over 98% (or whatever number Adobe is throwing around these days), so until that does happen, I'll have to side with the NBC/Time Warner guys.



    Besides, how long would it take to retool a site like Hulu anyway? That can't be a simple task.



    That's just it though. You do have a choice. Don't purchase any Apple devices.



    Apple has ALWAYS put user experience first on every single product they have ever made. This is nothing new. Apple feels that longer battery life and less crashes make for better products in the long run. As of right now, there's not a single comparable iPad competitor using Flash on their device. Their's not a single iPhone competitor using Flash on there device (They might be using the new Flash 10 beta, but as of this point it's sucking the batteries dry). And you might think, but what about Flash "lite"? Well, that's not the full Flash experience either, so what's the point?
  • Reply 26 of 159
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post


    But from all the reports I've seen on the web of the Nexus One running Hulu, it appears to work just fine.



    What reports are these? Every video I've seen shows Hulu stuttering on the Nexus One even when viewiing their lowest bitrate video.
  • Reply 27 of 159
    mazda 3smazda 3s Posts: 1,613member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    I have a friend with a Nexus One and she couldn't find a DL page it. Do you have a link?



    As for Flash on the Nexus One, that is an excellent example of Adobe dropping the ball. it's almost June 2010 and I can't find a open Beta for Flash 10.1 for mobiles. When it does arrive it's only going to be for very select Android phones and there are still inherent issues with it. Power usage, speed and browser issues, and the ability to stream Hulu seem to still plague it. Those aren't trival things.



    The bottom line is that Adobe did not have Flash for the iPhone in 2007, 2008, or 2009. it's now mid-2010 and they still don't have a viable product. When Flash is shipping on all non-iPhone smartphones and no longer has the issues mentioned above then Apple will need to rethink their position, and Time Warner, NBC and others will have a position on Flash worth defending, but until then HTML5 video tag or a dedicated app are the by far the best option for the fast growing mobile sector.



    Google pushed it out to "press" Nexus One units that were used for reviews last week (Engadget, Gizmodo, CNET editors, etc.).



    "Regular Joes" who want to get it early can get it by following these steps:



    http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/22/a...e-for-non-roo/



    It appears that the linked thread has been taken down though. Google probably got mad
  • Reply 28 of 159
    Skyfire runs flash just fine. Even though it's server supported.
  • Reply 29 of 159
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post


    **Scratches head**



    Android 2.2 support Adobe Flash 10.1 and it's already out for the Nexus One. On top of that, the Nexus One running Android 2.2 can play content from Hulu:



    http://www.absolutelyandroid.com/gui...oid-2-2-froyo/



    Keep on scratching your head, buddy. The headline on that link was: UPDATE: HULU IS NOW PREVENTING ANDROID DEVICES FROM ACCESSING CONTENT
  • Reply 30 of 159
    Hulu prevents all mobile phones from accessing it. It's not that the phones can't run hulu site, it's just that hulu is blocking it.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DougMcNerd View Post


    Keep on scratching your head, buddy. The headline on that link was: UPDATE: HULU IS NOW PREVENTING ANDROID DEVICES FROM ACCESSING CONTENT



    But just a quick search, and you can find a workaround for that too.
  • Reply 31 of 159
    auxioauxio Posts: 2,707member
    Great opportunity for smaller publishers/distributers to take over the market which big networks don't seem to be interested in. I smell a changing of the guard...
  • Reply 32 of 159
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,854member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by g3pro View Post


    Steve Jobs hates Flash because he knows that he doesn't have control over it.



    Why should anyone decide to follow Steve's lead when the whole point of his silly argument is that he wants to dominate his users and developers?



    Remarks like this have to make one laugh. I really don't know where these people get their ideas from.



    The truth is that Apple wants to be able to control its own destiny. Anyone with any intelligence ought to want to control their own destiny. The basic problem with Flash, the real problem, besides the fact that it sucks, is that if you use Flash, as a platform vendor, developer, or content provider, Adobe controls your destiny, not you.
  • Reply 33 of 159
    mazda 3smazda 3s Posts: 1,613member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    What reports are these? Every video I've seen shows Hulu stuttering on the Nexus One even when viewiing their lowest bitrate video.



    I raise you this



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKV_ZTDmwHk
  • Reply 34 of 159
    bregaladbregalad Posts: 816member
    Unless and until spending all that money converting to new tools, training/hiring new staff, and converting their back catalog to a new format pays off with increased revenue, NBC is right to stick with Flash.



    If you want to see NBC content on the iPad don't buy any of their products, stay off their website, and if you absolutely must blog about their shows say you like the content and wish it worked on your iPad. Additionally you should support the CBS/ABC shows you like so their iPad sales are strong.



    Businesses are Toydarian. Mind tricks don't work on them, only money.
  • Reply 35 of 159
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post


    Remarks like this have to make one laugh. I really don't know where these people get their ideas from.



    The truth is that Apple wants to be able to control its own destiny. Anyone with any intelligence ought to want to control their own destiny. The basic problem with Flash, the real problem, besides the fact that it sucks, is that if you use Flash, as a platform vendor, developer, or content provider, Adobe controls your destiny, not you.



    He's always hating on Apple and ignoring the facts. Like Apple pushing HTML5 and other open standards which it does not have control over.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post


    I raise you this



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKV_ZTDmwHk



    Not exactly a raise. That looks like it's playing from Bing, not Hulu, and it's clearly skipping frames despite it not being fullscreen or being a complex effort for the GPU by being a 16 colour cartoon.
  • Reply 36 of 159
    mazda 3smazda 3s Posts: 1,613member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    He's always hating on Apple and ignoring the facts. Like Apple pushing HTML5 and other open standards which it does not have control over.









    Not exactly a raise. That looks like it's playing from Bing, not Hulu, and it's clearly skipping frames despite it not being fullscreen or being a complex effort for the GPU by being a 16 colour cartoon.



    I was just going by what the title of the video said. That being said...



    My bottom line is, I have no problem with Apple banning Flash -- that's there prerogative. They want a consistent user experience and I GREATLY appreciate that.



    Me being a tinkerer, I like being able to test new things and push boundaries a bit. And I'd love to have the choice to poke around with Flash on my iPhone if given the chance. Google is more of a shoot first, ask questions later kinda company, hence why half of their stuff is still in beta. But Flash (even in beta form) is just the icing on the cake for what is actually a pretty solid OS in Android 2.2.
  • Reply 37 of 159
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,854member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post


    Unless and until spending all that money converting to new tools, training/hiring new staff, and converting their back catalog to a new format pays off with increased revenue, NBC is right to stick with Flash. ...



    Unless not doing it pays off with decreased revenue.
  • Reply 38 of 159
    icyfogicyfog Posts: 338member
    Oh well, Time Warner and NBC Universal will be behind the power curve when they do choose to go Flash-less.

    Frankly I don't care, I'll stick with my iPad. Not because what Jobs said, but because I know he's right about Flash on mobile devices, which is already proven to be true.
  • Reply 39 of 159
    lilgto64lilgto64 Posts: 1,147member
    And the Saturn and Pontiac and Hummer divisions of GM are still working on the idea that customers want to buy cars based on outdated technologies that get lower gas milage etc than vehicles produced by foreign companies... oh hold on... that didn't work out so well.



    (nothing against GM products in general - in fact I have both a Pontiac and a Saturn in my garage - just making what may be a weak analogy to point out a way of thinking that is backward looking rather than forward looking which ultimately lands you in a world of hurt from which you can't comprehend what went wrong and how you got to that point).
  • Reply 40 of 159
    charlitunacharlituna Posts: 7,217member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gigawire View Post


    Stupid, stupid, stupid old media companies. Will you ever learn???



    lets not be too harsh. the NYP isn't actually known for being an authorative source. they are only about a half step above a tabloid in many eyes.



    AND the article addresses the web, it doesn't actually say hell would freeze over before they made an app
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