Ditto. Safari 5 is all of that and it crashes my Apple wifi router so nothing can work on the network until I reset it. I can barely get a page or two half loaded then zilch. That's on Snow Leopard with a 2,1 1GB ram Mac Mini with the Apple router.
Yes they're see to be more like widgets. I guess this is Apple's way of opening up Safari.
Nevertheless, new possibilities.
Unfortunately, It seems stuff like Inquisitor will still not be part of this "extensions" program.
I was mistaken. These extensions can be added to the Safari app itself and be more than just clever webcode.
What Your Extension Can Do
Safari extensions let you add persistent items to Safari, such as controls, local or web-based content, and scripts that modify web-based content.You can create controls by adding buttons to the Safari toolbar, adding contextual menu items, creating extension bars, or injecting controls into webpages. You can display HTML content in an extension bar, in its own window or tab, or inject it into webpages. Your extension can run invisibly in the background. You can modify and reformat web content by applying scripts and stylesheets. Your scripts and stylesheets can be applied either universally or selectively, using whitelists and blacklists of URL patterns to determine which web pages they should be applied to.
Now it's taking over two minutes to load AppleInsider's front page with Safari 5. WTF is going on!? Should I run the Java update installer again? Flash Plug-in?
Firefox loads in an instant
Shitty ISP I'd bet. Did you download a torrent within the last day, or are you currently?
Safari 5 is not performing for me any faster than Safari 4. I am still with Leopard until 10.7 shows up. Don't care for anything in SL and don't use it.
Three things:
1. Readability is not better. Try visit this Ars review. When it loads view in Readability. Then go back and try it in Safari Reader. One glaring difference you'll notice is Safari loads 'all" 18 pages of the review, Readability doesn't. Same goes for Instapaper. This is a big deal.
Readability is not better. Try visit this Ars review. When it loads view in Readability. Then go back and try it in Safari Reader. One glaring difference you'll notice is Safari loads 'all" 18 pages of the review, Readability doesn't. Same goes for Instapaper. This is a big deal.
Brilliant find, Ireland! That puts it world above those other two products. I can see this coming to, at least, the iPad in iOS v4.0.
Safari currently has a known bug (this was explained to me by AppleCare). It currently does not support 3-finger up/down swipes for web pages. They have no solution at this time.
Smarter Address Field: The Smart Address Field can now match text against the titles of webpages in History and Bookmarks, as well as any part of their URL.
Tabs Setting: Automatically open new webpages in tabs instead of in separate windows.
... is what I've been waiting for so I can finally ditch the ghetto that is Firefox for good.
Waaaahh? At least give me a choice, I don't like part of my screen to disappear for tabs.
I don't like the tabs on top like Chrome, plus in the new Safari you can toggle your bookmark bar and get more space on top than with Chrome. I guess it would be nice to have a choice, but I prefer it the way it is.
Quote:
Originally Posted by LifeQuestCC
After I installed Safari 5, I lost the ability to view my "Watch Instantly" on Netflix! I had to switch to Chrome to watch my show last night! Thankfully Hulu still works! Netflix please fix your site!
I am watching Netflix streaming on Safari right now as I type this, I haven't changed my user agent as far as I know, just downloaded Safari 5 and it works fine.
Quote:
Originally Posted by WPLJ42
Safari 5 is not performing for me any faster than Safari 4. I am still with Leopard until 10.7 shows up. Don't care for anything in SL and don't use it.
It is not what you *USE* in Snow Leopard that matters, it is a rewrite of the core code that is more efficient and with less issues, that matters. Just get it, for $29 there is no excuse not too, unless you like having your computer run slower and be more buggy. I have it on my Mac Pro (came that way) and upgraded my MacBook Pro and Mac Mini, the performance boost was quite noticeable. There are minor visual upgrades in some apps, but the system runs so much better.
I don't like the tabs on top like Chrome, plus in the new Safari you can toggle your bookmark bar and get more space on top than with Chrome. I guess it would be nice to have a choice, but I prefer it the way it is.
Even with the bookmark bars, tabs and toolbar present on each Safari uses slightly less space than Chrome. However, with the tabs on top it used even less. I loved it! I don't think anyone thinks it should be the only option, but I surely would like it to return as an option, even if it is hidden.
This one thing was keeping me from switching from Flash to HTML5 video on YouTube as they didn't offer a way to go Full Screen using HTML5.
However, as noted in the link below there are genuine security concerns about going fullscreen with that command in HMTL over letting the browser app have a button and the user click a button to initiate the fullscreen mode.
There are some great extensions coming out already. The only one I am waiting on is AdBlock to be released, then I can dump SIMBL.
The link that solipsism posted (http://safariextensions.tumblr.com/) is a great resource. Also, it looks like Apple will have an official directory sometime in the near future.
Safari 5 has turned out to be a really solid release.
I'd recommend to use the beta version instead. Among other things non-specified parts (like H.264 and Theora) have been moved to being optional instead of contributing to the final score.
EDIT: Oops, seems like my information is a bit outdated. The author moved the new version out of beta yesterday.
Makes me think, what are all the IE programmers doing at MS? Sleeping?
I don't think Microsoft has bad programmers or anyone asleep at the switch -- they've got 3 massive problems in my mind;
1) Lots of legacy code that cannot be removed -- merely patched, because sometimes the bugs are depended on. Since IE was designed to be part of the OS when it didn't need to be, and then was made independent, and was designed to embrace and extend and then distort standards due to marketing strategies -- it's a Rube Goldberg mess.
2) As companies get older, and you get Stock-based millionaires at the company -- things get political. So you are looking for your division to stand out regardless of the overall needs of the company. Steve Jobs seems to have trimmed the fat and gotten Apple developers ON A MISSION -- but that's an absolute rare event at a large corporation.
Bigger companies favor mediocre people who are good at filling out forms and handling bureaucracy -- and they crush the dreams of entrepreneurial genius. That's why most of Microsoft's innovations are from small "think tanks" or acquired companies -- but that's true of a lot of huge corporations.
3) Microsofts success hinders them -- kind of like legacy code. They can't go to a purely standards based platform, because much of the dependency and UTILITY of IE is compatibility with the crap they created. If IE improves too much -- it isn't necessary.
Safari still needs to store passwords AFTER you've successfully logged in. Or at least be smart enough to know that a login failed and NOT store that password attempt.
The Block pop-ups needs to have a white list -- in fact, everything needs to have an accessible button to whitelist or "use dummy data" for a website you are browsing.
There needs to be a "see what this page can know about me" screen. It think it's vital for all browsers. You might block a cookie, but run a flash file, or have history data -- there ought to be a pop-up page you can choose to view, that shows you ALL of the data a tricky Javascript or some server can figure out when you visit. Then some way to manage and tweak things like "looking at browser history that is NOT part of the visited URL."
They need to release some VIEWER or de-archive utility for the average user who saves a .webarchive (I can open them up, and they use a SQL database structure for their cache - but this is not user friendly).
FireFox is awesome for debugging pages -- that's the main time I open it up. I'm hoping with Apple's HTML5, their iAD js libraries and other initiatives -- they come up with a great debugger and "step through code/html" tool very soon. Make the tool scriptable itself with Javascript and have hooks to integrate Python (and maybe PHP) as well.
I've added about 14 Extensions -- really great that they are just zip files containing CSS and Javascript. I expect the Extension market for Safari to explode -- because it's easy, and it's just a skip and jump from the iAD and iOS market.
They are looking immediately useful -- so I won't have FireFox envy for too long. Let's hope something like Firebug migrates but I'm checking out Webla right now!
Pretty cool -- Apple is really hitting on all cylinders.
Safari still needs to store passwords AFTER you've successfully logged in. Or at least be smart enough to know that a login failed and NOT store that password attempt.
The Block pop-ups needs to have a white list -- in fact, everything needs to have an accessible button to whitelist or "use dummy data" for a website you are browsing.
There needs to be a "see what this page can know about me" screen. It think it's vital for all browsers. You might block a cookie, but run a flash file, or have history data -- there ought to be a pop-up page you can choose to view, that shows you ALL of the data a tricky Javascript or some server can figure out when you visit. Then some way to manage and tweak things like "looking at browser history that is NOT part of the visited URL."
They need to release some VIEWER or de-archive utility for the average user who saves a .webarchive (I can open them up, and they use a SQL database structure for their cache - but this is not user friendly).
FireFox is awesome for debugging pages -- that's the main time I open it up. I'm hoping with Apple's HTML5, their iAD js libraries and other initiatives -- they come up with a great debugger and "step through code/html" tool very soon. Make the tool scriptable itself with Javascript and have hooks to integrate Python (and maybe PHP) as well.
>> Update -- I think the Safari extensions should be able to deal with all these shortcomings -- it seems Apple is exposing HOW Safari processes the page to the extension developer. So Apple just needs to keep improving and SIMPLIFYING the core of webkit rather than adding features -- it's a much better way to do it -- create a great platform and let developers and even users create the features.
I like this WAY of things rather than cloud computing or "web-based apps." No, give me apps I control that can use web standards -- don't take me to someone's server where I have to "just trust them."
For myself, Safari 5 is not noticeably faster than Safari 4, but Safari 4 was quick anyway. Loading a page still has dependencies on the web server, and the speed of your ISP.
I really like Safari Reader because it simplifies viewing articles. I use it in conjunction with RSS in Mail, where I have many feeds. Mail provides better formatting of RSS headlines and summaries than Safari. In Mail, I can quickly scan the headlines, and then the summaries. If I want more detail, I can click on 'more?', and I'll go to a specific article in Safari 5. Press ⇧⌘R and I am in the reader. The ⌘+ and ⌘- work well, and the new text size will adjust via wraparound to the window size. Overall, this is a good scheme to scan and read as if you had a newspaper in hand, while skipping over ads.
I also have a custom service in SL called 'Speak Text' that allows you to drag over text within Safari Reader to cause a synthesized voice, such as Alex, to speak that text. 'Speak Text' is just a simple 'speak text' action in Automator set up as a service for all applications that utilize text and HTML. A short-cut key makes the service easy to invoke after text has been selected in Safari Reader.
The UI of Safari Reader is very much like QT X. On the bottom of Safari Reader, you can move the mouse pointer along the bottom to cause a set of Safari Reader 5 services to appear. IMO, this UI approach is being gradually expanded, and we should expect more of it. Some people don't like it, but I find it is fine since it is only a temporary obstruction in viewing the window.
Another good aspect of WebKit rendering in Safari 5 is the sharp resolution of magnified text.
Click-To-Flash still works well in Safari 5 as far as I can tell.
Comments
This loads like 1984!
Dial up was faster?
Where are the pics?
Spinning spinning spinning.
And it took hours to get to the download?
CLOGGED LIKE A TOILET
Ditto. Safari 5 is all of that and it crashes my Apple wifi router so nothing can work on the network until I reset it. I can barely get a page or two half loaded then zilch. That's on Snow Leopard with a 2,1 1GB ram Mac Mini with the Apple router.
Yes they're see to be more like widgets. I guess this is Apple's way of opening up Safari.
Nevertheless, new possibilities.
Unfortunately, It seems stuff like Inquisitor will still not be part of this "extensions" program.
I was mistaken. These extensions can be added to the Safari app itself and be more than just clever webcode.
Now it's taking over two minutes to load AppleInsider's front page with Safari 5. WTF is going on!? Should I run the Java update installer again? Flash Plug-in?
Firefox loads in an instant
Shitty ISP I'd bet. Did you download a torrent within the last day, or are you currently?
Reader OK, Readability better.
http://lab.arc90.com/experiments/readability/
Safari 5 is not performing for me any faster than Safari 4. I am still with Leopard until 10.7 shows up. Don't care for anything in SL and don't use it.
Three things:
1. Readability is not better. Try visit this Ars review. When it loads view in Readability. Then go back and try it in Safari Reader. One glaring difference you'll notice is Safari loads 'all" 18 pages of the review, Readability doesn't. Same goes for Instapaper. This is a big deal.
2. It is faster than Safari 4.
3. Get SL.
Readability is not better. Try visit this Ars review. When it loads view in Readability. Then go back and try it in Safari Reader. One glaring difference you'll notice is Safari loads 'all" 18 pages of the review, Readability doesn't. Same goes for Instapaper. This is a big deal.
Brilliant find, Ireland! That puts it world above those other two products. I can see this coming to, at least, the iPad in iOS v4.0.
208
AND 7 BONUS POINTS
out of a total of 300 points
About: Version 5.0 (6533.16)
Erh? ( http://html5test.com/ )
... is what I've been waiting for so I can finally ditch the ghetto that is Firefox for good.
Waaaahh? At least give me a choice, I don't like part of my screen to disappear for tabs.
I don't like the tabs on top like Chrome, plus in the new Safari you can toggle your bookmark bar and get more space on top than with Chrome. I guess it would be nice to have a choice, but I prefer it the way it is.
After I installed Safari 5, I lost the ability to view my "Watch Instantly" on Netflix! I had to switch to Chrome to watch my show last night! Thankfully Hulu still works! Netflix please fix your site!
I am watching Netflix streaming on Safari right now as I type this, I haven't changed my user agent as far as I know, just downloaded Safari 5 and it works fine.
Safari 5 is not performing for me any faster than Safari 4. I am still with Leopard until 10.7 shows up. Don't care for anything in SL and don't use it.
It is not what you *USE* in Snow Leopard that matters, it is a rewrite of the core code that is more efficient and with less issues, that matters. Just get it, for $29 there is no excuse not too, unless you like having your computer run slower and be more buggy. I have it on my Mac Pro (came that way) and upgraded my MacBook Pro and Mac Mini, the performance boost was quite noticeable. There are minor visual upgrades in some apps, but the system runs so much better.
I don't like the tabs on top like Chrome, plus in the new Safari you can toggle your bookmark bar and get more space on top than with Chrome. I guess it would be nice to have a choice, but I prefer it the way it is.
Even with the bookmark bars, tabs and toolbar present on each Safari uses slightly less space than Chrome. However, with the tabs on top it used even less. I loved it! I don't think anyone thinks it should be the only option, but I surely would like it to return as an option, even if it is hidden.
However, as noted in the link below there are genuine security concerns about going fullscreen with that command in HMTL over letting the browser app have a button and the user click a button to initiate the fullscreen mode.
Here is more info on the API:
The link that solipsism posted (http://safariextensions.tumblr.com/) is a great resource. Also, it looks like Apple will have an official directory sometime in the near future.
Safari 5 has turned out to be a really solid release.
[INDENT]• 136/160 on http://html5test.com/
I'd recommend to use the beta version instead. Among other things non-specified parts (like H.264 and Theora) have been moved to being optional instead of contributing to the final score.
EDIT: Oops, seems like my information is a bit outdated. The author moved the new version out of beta yesterday.
--Noticeably faster
--I've had one crash already
--I've experienced some latency issues, but I'm sure that's my school network. It's been acting oddly this week.
Makes me think, what are all the IE programmers doing at MS? Sleeping?
I don't think Microsoft has bad programmers or anyone asleep at the switch -- they've got 3 massive problems in my mind;
1) Lots of legacy code that cannot be removed -- merely patched, because sometimes the bugs are depended on. Since IE was designed to be part of the OS when it didn't need to be, and then was made independent, and was designed to embrace and extend and then distort standards due to marketing strategies -- it's a Rube Goldberg mess.
2) As companies get older, and you get Stock-based millionaires at the company -- things get political. So you are looking for your division to stand out regardless of the overall needs of the company. Steve Jobs seems to have trimmed the fat and gotten Apple developers ON A MISSION -- but that's an absolute rare event at a large corporation.
Bigger companies favor mediocre people who are good at filling out forms and handling bureaucracy -- and they crush the dreams of entrepreneurial genius. That's why most of Microsoft's innovations are from small "think tanks" or acquired companies -- but that's true of a lot of huge corporations.
3) Microsofts success hinders them -- kind of like legacy code. They can't go to a purely standards based platform, because much of the dependency and UTILITY of IE is compatibility with the crap they created. If IE improves too much -- it isn't necessary.
Safari still needs to store passwords AFTER you've successfully logged in. Or at least be smart enough to know that a login failed and NOT store that password attempt.
The Block pop-ups needs to have a white list -- in fact, everything needs to have an accessible button to whitelist or "use dummy data" for a website you are browsing.
There needs to be a "see what this page can know about me" screen. It think it's vital for all browsers. You might block a cookie, but run a flash file, or have history data -- there ought to be a pop-up page you can choose to view, that shows you ALL of the data a tricky Javascript or some server can figure out when you visit. Then some way to manage and tweak things like "looking at browser history that is NOT part of the visited URL."
They need to release some VIEWER or de-archive utility for the average user who saves a .webarchive (I can open them up, and they use a SQL database structure for their cache - but this is not user friendly).
FireFox is awesome for debugging pages -- that's the main time I open it up. I'm hoping with Apple's HTML5, their iAD js libraries and other initiatives -- they come up with a great debugger and "step through code/html" tool very soon. Make the tool scriptable itself with Javascript and have hooks to integrate Python (and maybe PHP) as well.
I've added about 14 Extensions -- really great that they are just zip files containing CSS and Javascript. I expect the Extension market for Safari to explode -- because it's easy, and it's just a skip and jump from the iAD and iOS market.
They are looking immediately useful -- so I won't have FireFox envy for too long. Let's hope something like Firebug migrates but I'm checking out Webla right now!
Pretty cool -- Apple is really hitting on all cylinders.
Improvements:
Safari still needs to store passwords AFTER you've successfully logged in. Or at least be smart enough to know that a login failed and NOT store that password attempt.
The Block pop-ups needs to have a white list -- in fact, everything needs to have an accessible button to whitelist or "use dummy data" for a website you are browsing.
There needs to be a "see what this page can know about me" screen. It think it's vital for all browsers. You might block a cookie, but run a flash file, or have history data -- there ought to be a pop-up page you can choose to view, that shows you ALL of the data a tricky Javascript or some server can figure out when you visit. Then some way to manage and tweak things like "looking at browser history that is NOT part of the visited URL."
They need to release some VIEWER or de-archive utility for the average user who saves a .webarchive (I can open them up, and they use a SQL database structure for their cache - but this is not user friendly).
FireFox is awesome for debugging pages -- that's the main time I open it up. I'm hoping with Apple's HTML5, their iAD js libraries and other initiatives -- they come up with a great debugger and "step through code/html" tool very soon. Make the tool scriptable itself with Javascript and have hooks to integrate Python (and maybe PHP) as well.
>> Update -- I think the Safari extensions should be able to deal with all these shortcomings -- it seems Apple is exposing HOW Safari processes the page to the extension developer. So Apple just needs to keep improving and SIMPLIFYING the core of webkit rather than adding features -- it's a much better way to do it -- create a great platform and let developers and even users create the features.
I like this WAY of things rather than cloud computing or "web-based apps." No, give me apps I control that can use web standards -- don't take me to someone's server where I have to "just trust them."
I am glad that loading bar is the default again.
For myself, Safari 5 is not noticeably faster than Safari 4, but Safari 4 was quick anyway. Loading a page still has dependencies on the web server, and the speed of your ISP.
I really like Safari Reader because it simplifies viewing articles. I use it in conjunction with RSS in Mail, where I have many feeds. Mail provides better formatting of RSS headlines and summaries than Safari. In Mail, I can quickly scan the headlines, and then the summaries. If I want more detail, I can click on 'more?', and I'll go to a specific article in Safari 5. Press ⇧⌘R and I am in the reader. The ⌘+ and ⌘- work well, and the new text size will adjust via wraparound to the window size. Overall, this is a good scheme to scan and read as if you had a newspaper in hand, while skipping over ads.
I also have a custom service in SL called 'Speak Text' that allows you to drag over text within Safari Reader to cause a synthesized voice, such as Alex, to speak that text. 'Speak Text' is just a simple 'speak text' action in Automator set up as a service for all applications that utilize text and HTML. A short-cut key makes the service easy to invoke after text has been selected in Safari Reader.
The UI of Safari Reader is very much like QT X. On the bottom of Safari Reader, you can move the mouse pointer along the bottom to cause a set of Safari Reader 5 services to appear. IMO, this UI approach is being gradually expanded, and we should expect more of it. Some people don't like it, but I find it is fine since it is only a temporary obstruction in viewing the window.
Another good aspect of WebKit rendering in Safari 5 is the sharp resolution of magnified text.
Click-To-Flash still works well in Safari 5 as far as I can tell.