What does this change? Has anyone ever been prosecuted for unlocking or jailbreaking an iPhone?
I think Apple should set up a conduit group for all software developers who use their App Store to seek compensation from the state due to the legal enabling of software piracy. They should set up a page on their website with a $ figure of the compensation tally and the names of those who passed the motion.
You have the right to tinker and make your own tools. You do not have the right to distribute tools that circumvent the protections. Tough luck Dev Team.
You're not getting the big picture...
These new exclusions to the DMCA (something that ONLY covers US citizens) or more to the point people within the borders that comprise the US and perhaps US military zones in other countries (not sure on that).
In short, if you are on what's to be considered U.S. soil these rules and exclusions WILL pertain to YOU.
So people in the US can jailbreak their cellphone for specific reasons (to install software seems to be one reason)
People in the US can also unlock their phone for specific reasons.
What seems to be unclear is if someone in the US can write, market and distribute software to people in the US. This isn't really a problem since you CAN buy/download said software from any country where the DMCA isn't recognized AND no laws in said country are being broken by the software or service.
It's really odd how so many people here care so deeply what someone they don't know and will never meet do with a product they purchased with their own money. No offense intended but put down you're binoculars and mind your own business. You don't see me pissing in you're cornflakes do ya?
The FCC decision relieves a truckload of guilt and arbitrary "authority" foisted upon an unwilling group of users who took arms against being told they could only put "Kitchenaid Farm-Raised Food" in the Kitchenaid fridge (the idea that one must run apps approved by a vendor on an open Unix (iPhone/iPad) platform.
Bully for the FCC and screw the guys who want to control your mind, thinking, freedom of speech, and the idea that any "idea" is not worth competing against.
The FCC decision relieves a truckload of guilt and arbitrary "authority" foisted upon an unwilling group of users who took arms against being told they could only put "Kitchenaid Farm-Raised Food" in the Kitchenaid fridge (the idea that one must run apps approved by a vendor on an open Unix (iPhone/iPad) platform.
Bully for the FCC and screw the guys who want to control your mind, thinking, freedom of speech, and the idea that any "idea" is not worth competing against.
Glad I voted for Obama.
By next year, you might sing a different tune. Honestly, for all the hoopla, this news only affect about 5% of the iGadget users because the majority will not want to do something that will break their gadgets.
By next year, you might sing a different tune. Honestly, for all the hoopla, this news only affect about 5% of the iGadget users because the majority will not want to do something that will break their gadgets.
Exactly which is why I don't understand why people seem to be going crazy over this new ruling... I guess quite a few people here actually take some kind of perverted pleasure in preventing people from doing what they want with the hardware they own. A merry little band of dictator wannabees I guess?
What seems to be unclear is if someone in the US can write, market and distribute software to people in the US. This isn't really a problem since you CAN buy/download said software from any country where the DMCA isn't recognized AND no laws in said country are being broken by the software or service.
It's really odd how so many people here care so deeply what someone they don't know and will never meet do with a product they purchased with their own money. No offense intended but put down you're binoculars and mind your own business. You don't see me pissing in you're cornflakes do ya?
Other countries don't have DMCA --- doesn't mean that it is legal for you to do certain things either.
DMCA is just a quick and cheap way to sue people. There are a million other ways (both in the US and in countries) that these companies can sue you --- it's just more expensive.
The average company selling unlocking solutions probably breaks dozens of laws --- you think that when they charge you $20 to unlock your iphone that they are going to report that as income for tax purposes. Police will never charge you for jaywalking, doesn't mean that it's legal either.
I think Apple should set up a conduit group for all software developers who use their App Store to seek compensation from the state due to the legal enabling of software piracy. They should set up a page on their website with a $ figure of the compensation tally and the names of those who passed the motion.
Not really Apple though is it?
McD
Sounds great. Here in Canada we have something similar. They government charges a levy on all blank media and all harddrives. They tried to expand this to all electronic devices that can store digital media. You buy a blank CD, pay a levy. Buy a blank DVD, pay a levy. Buy an iPod, and they wanted you to pay a $75 levy (I believe this specific bill failed). The monies collected were passed on to the record and film companies in order to compensate them for the theft that we, as purchasers of the blank media, were assumed to be committing.
I don't think you should be sued for Jailbreaking... but what if your hardware failed because you overclocked your phone. Apple definitely shouldn't have to support hacked software. I really don't see how this changes things except offer some legal protections for a hypothetical situation that has never happened (Apple has never sued anyone over this). I think the EFF should have higher priorities. So does this require Apple to give users a way to access their phones. If jailbreaking becomes more widespread, what will this do for app prices? I'm enjoying the relatively low prices right now. The iPhone is the only platform that has successfully eliminated second hand software and the majority of pirating. It really shows the difference it makes in application pricing.
Other countries don't have DMCA --- doesn't mean that it is legal for you to do certain things either.
DMCA is just a quick and cheap way to sue people. There are a million other ways (both in the US and in countries) that these companies can sue you --- it's just more expensive.
The average company selling unlocking solutions probably breaks dozens of laws --- you think that when they charge you $20 to unlock your iphone that they are going to report that as income for tax purposes. Police will never charge you for jaywalking, doesn't mean that it's legal either.
"There are a million other ways (both in the US and in countries) that these companies can sue you --- it's just more expensive."
Okay since you speak as if your words are 100% correct and 100% factual, I won't hold you to a million ways just the tpe 10 countries where this activity is illegal and/or the marketing of software to preform these activities activity is illegal:
- Name the top 10 countries that have laws that make unlocking phones illegal.
- Name the top 10 countries that make selling buying marketing unlocking software illegal.
- Name the top 10 countries that make jail breaking phones illegal.
- Name the top 10 countries that make selling buying marketing jail breaking software illegal.
Oh and lets not get mixed up here... ANYONE (in the US anyway) can SUE anyone for anything they like. There is no way to ever protect yourself FROM being sued.. Protect yourself IN CASE you are sued sure... but the even a newborn child isn't protected from being named in a lawsuit.
What everyone here is taking about is being LEGAL in the eyes of the law. Which now allows for unlocking iPhones AND jail-breaking iPhones.
When you buy it, its your phone. Ownership means an owner has certain rights. I paid Apple and I finished my contract with AT&T. The phone is mine.
You might own some aspects of the hardware, but Apple owns the OS completely. We should consider ourself lucky that apple doesn't remotely wipe all their software and brick the phone. Instead, they let us continue to use thier software for free.
...We should consider ourself lucky that apple doesn't remotely wipe all their software and brick the phone. Instead, they let us continue to use thier software for free.
LOL, someone's got a bad case of the Stockholm syndrome!
Sounds great. Here in Canada we have something similar. They government charges a levy on all blank media and all harddrives. They tried to expand this to all electronic devices that can store digital media. You buy a blank CD, pay a levy. Buy a blank DVD, pay a levy. Buy an iPod, and they wanted you to pay a $75 levy (I believe this specific bill failed). The monies collected were passed on to the record and film companies in order to compensate them for the theft that we, as purchasers of the blank media, were assumed to be committing.
That is in essence what you are asking for.
So does that mean by paying this 'special tax' you are then free to do the things the country is accusing you of doing?
LOL, someone's got a bad case of the Stockholm syndrome!
You got that right, but now we gotta wait for him to look that up and figure out how it reflects on and/or pertains to him. Oh and the saddest part is he's not the only one this thread is filled with em.
You got that right, but now we gotta wait for him to look that up and figure out how it reflects on and/or pertains to him. Oh and the saddest part is he's not the only one this thread is filled with em.
"There are a million other ways (both in the US and in countries) that these companies can sue you --- it's just more expensive."
Okay since you speak as if your words are 100% correct and 100% factual, I won't hold you to a million ways just the tpe 10 countries where this activity is illegal and/or the marketing of software to preform these activities activity is illegal:
- Name the top 10 countries that have laws that make unlocking phones illegal.
- Name the top 10 countries that make selling buying marketing unlocking software illegal.
- Name the top 10 countries that make jail breaking phones illegal.
- Name the top 10 countries that make selling buying marketing jail breaking software illegal.
Oh and lets not get mixed up here... ANYONE (in the US anyway) can SUE anyone for anything they like. There is no way to ever protect yourself FROM being sued.. Protect yourself IN CASE you are sued sure... but the even a newborn child isn't protected from being named in a lawsuit.
What everyone here is taking about is being LEGAL in the eyes of the law. Which now allows for unlocking iPhones AND jail-breaking iPhones.
Al Capone was indicted for income tax invasion, not something like RICO.
Jailbreaking may be good, but leave it to APPLE to find a way to find a loop hole to stop it. They're not paying those corporate lawyers they have working for them those big bucks for nothing.
While APPLE perhaps can't stop you from jailbreaking, they can deem your warranty void or refuse to replace it once you turn it into a brick. Remember each company has its own terms to its warranty.
I hope this doesn't allow apps to be copied freely, or digital media. Piracy has killed many a platform in the past. Anyway it doesn't apply to me, I live in a country where crime is still illegal.
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What does this change? Has anyone ever been prosecuted for unlocking or jailbreaking an iPhone?
I think Apple should set up a conduit group for all software developers who use their App Store to seek compensation from the state due to the legal enabling of software piracy. They should set up a page on their website with a $ figure of the compensation tally and the names of those who passed the motion.
Not really Apple though is it?
McD
You have the right to tinker and make your own tools. You do not have the right to distribute tools that circumvent the protections. Tough luck Dev Team.
You're not getting the big picture...
These new exclusions to the DMCA (something that ONLY covers US citizens) or more to the point people within the borders that comprise the US and perhaps US military zones in other countries (not sure on that).
In short, if you are on what's to be considered U.S. soil these rules and exclusions WILL pertain to YOU.
So people in the US can jailbreak their cellphone for specific reasons (to install software seems to be one reason)
People in the US can also unlock their phone for specific reasons.
What seems to be unclear is if someone in the US can write, market and distribute software to people in the US. This isn't really a problem since you CAN buy/download said software from any country where the DMCA isn't recognized AND no laws in said country are being broken by the software or service.
It's really odd how so many people here care so deeply what someone they don't know and will never meet do with a product they purchased with their own money. No offense intended but put down you're binoculars and mind your own business. You don't see me pissing in you're cornflakes do ya?
Bully for the FCC and screw the guys who want to control your mind, thinking, freedom of speech, and the idea that any "idea" is not worth competing against.
Glad I voted for Obama.
The FCC decision relieves a truckload of guilt and arbitrary "authority" foisted upon an unwilling group of users who took arms against being told they could only put "Kitchenaid Farm-Raised Food" in the Kitchenaid fridge (the idea that one must run apps approved by a vendor on an open Unix (iPhone/iPad) platform.
Bully for the FCC and screw the guys who want to control your mind, thinking, freedom of speech, and the idea that any "idea" is not worth competing against.
Glad I voted for Obama.
By next year, you might sing a different tune. Honestly, for all the hoopla, this news only affect about 5% of the iGadget users because the majority will not want to do something that will break their gadgets.
By next year, you might sing a different tune. Honestly, for all the hoopla, this news only affect about 5% of the iGadget users because the majority will not want to do something that will break their gadgets.
Exactly which is why I don't understand why people seem to be going crazy over this new ruling... I guess quite a few people here actually take some kind of perverted pleasure in preventing people from doing what they want with the hardware they own. A merry little band of dictator wannabees I guess?
What seems to be unclear is if someone in the US can write, market and distribute software to people in the US. This isn't really a problem since you CAN buy/download said software from any country where the DMCA isn't recognized AND no laws in said country are being broken by the software or service.
It's really odd how so many people here care so deeply what someone they don't know and will never meet do with a product they purchased with their own money. No offense intended but put down you're binoculars and mind your own business. You don't see me pissing in you're cornflakes do ya?
Other countries don't have DMCA --- doesn't mean that it is legal for you to do certain things either.
DMCA is just a quick and cheap way to sue people. There are a million other ways (both in the US and in countries) that these companies can sue you --- it's just more expensive.
The average company selling unlocking solutions probably breaks dozens of laws --- you think that when they charge you $20 to unlock your iphone that they are going to report that as income for tax purposes. Police will never charge you for jaywalking, doesn't mean that it's legal either.
I think Apple should set up a conduit group for all software developers who use their App Store to seek compensation from the state due to the legal enabling of software piracy. They should set up a page on their website with a $ figure of the compensation tally and the names of those who passed the motion.
Not really Apple though is it?
McD
Sounds great. Here in Canada we have something similar. They government charges a levy on all blank media and all harddrives. They tried to expand this to all electronic devices that can store digital media. You buy a blank CD, pay a levy. Buy a blank DVD, pay a levy. Buy an iPod, and they wanted you to pay a $75 levy (I believe this specific bill failed). The monies collected were passed on to the record and film companies in order to compensate them for the theft that we, as purchasers of the blank media, were assumed to be committing.
That is in essence what you are asking for.
Other countries don't have DMCA --- doesn't mean that it is legal for you to do certain things either.
DMCA is just a quick and cheap way to sue people. There are a million other ways (both in the US and in countries) that these companies can sue you --- it's just more expensive.
The average company selling unlocking solutions probably breaks dozens of laws --- you think that when they charge you $20 to unlock your iphone that they are going to report that as income for tax purposes. Police will never charge you for jaywalking, doesn't mean that it's legal either.
"There are a million other ways (both in the US and in countries) that these companies can sue you --- it's just more expensive."
Okay since you speak as if your words are 100% correct and 100% factual, I won't hold you to a million ways just the tpe 10 countries where this activity is illegal and/or the marketing of software to preform these activities activity is illegal:
- Name the top 10 countries that have laws that make unlocking phones illegal.
- Name the top 10 countries that make selling buying marketing unlocking software illegal.
- Name the top 10 countries that make jail breaking phones illegal.
- Name the top 10 countries that make selling buying marketing jail breaking software illegal.
Oh and lets not get mixed up here... ANYONE (in the US anyway) can SUE anyone for anything they like. There is no way to ever protect yourself FROM being sued.. Protect yourself IN CASE you are sued sure... but the even a newborn child isn't protected from being named in a lawsuit.
What everyone here is taking about is being LEGAL in the eyes of the law. Which now allows for unlocking iPhones AND jail-breaking iPhones.
When you buy it, its your phone. Ownership means an owner has certain rights. I paid Apple and I finished my contract with AT&T. The phone is mine.
You might own some aspects of the hardware, but Apple owns the OS completely. We should consider ourself lucky that apple doesn't remotely wipe all their software and brick the phone. Instead, they let us continue to use thier software for free.
...We should consider ourself lucky that apple doesn't remotely wipe all their software and brick the phone. Instead, they let us continue to use thier software for free.
LOL, someone's got a bad case of the Stockholm syndrome!
Sounds great. Here in Canada we have something similar. They government charges a levy on all blank media and all harddrives. They tried to expand this to all electronic devices that can store digital media. You buy a blank CD, pay a levy. Buy a blank DVD, pay a levy. Buy an iPod, and they wanted you to pay a $75 levy (I believe this specific bill failed). The monies collected were passed on to the record and film companies in order to compensate them for the theft that we, as purchasers of the blank media, were assumed to be committing.
That is in essence what you are asking for.
So does that mean by paying this 'special tax' you are then free to do the things the country is accusing you of doing?
LOL, someone's got a bad case of the Stockholm syndrome!
You got that right, but now we gotta wait for him to look that up and figure out how it reflects on and/or pertains to him. Oh and the saddest part is he's not the only one this thread is filled with em.
You got that right, but now we gotta wait for him to look that up and figure out how it reflects on and/or pertains to him. Oh and the saddest part is he's not the only one this thread is filled with em.
I am timing him/her, just for fun
"There are a million other ways (both in the US and in countries) that these companies can sue you --- it's just more expensive."
Okay since you speak as if your words are 100% correct and 100% factual, I won't hold you to a million ways just the tpe 10 countries where this activity is illegal and/or the marketing of software to preform these activities activity is illegal:
- Name the top 10 countries that have laws that make unlocking phones illegal.
- Name the top 10 countries that make selling buying marketing unlocking software illegal.
- Name the top 10 countries that make jail breaking phones illegal.
- Name the top 10 countries that make selling buying marketing jail breaking software illegal.
Oh and lets not get mixed up here... ANYONE (in the US anyway) can SUE anyone for anything they like. There is no way to ever protect yourself FROM being sued.. Protect yourself IN CASE you are sued sure... but the even a newborn child isn't protected from being named in a lawsuit.
What everyone here is taking about is being LEGAL in the eyes of the law. Which now allows for unlocking iPhones AND jail-breaking iPhones.
Al Capone was indicted for income tax invasion, not something like RICO.
No warranty service. That's what.
Wrong. All you have to do is format the phone before you get it serviced.
While APPLE perhaps can't stop you from jailbreaking, they can deem your warranty void or refuse to replace it once you turn it into a brick. Remember each company has its own terms to its warranty.