All due respect to those who say the slowness has only affected "some" 3G users, but I have yet to find one that was not slow as a pig. I know at least 10 people with 3Gs and all of them have either downgraded or suffered the consequences of iOS 4. One guy never upgraded and I am forced to admit he was wise even though it pains me.
Looking forward to Wednesday and the installation of 4.1
This business of trying to install modern software on a 2 year old phone has to stop.
Either you want Apple to make new stuff as fast as possible, or you want your old stuff to stay relevant. Which is it?
Apple never should have pushed out the buggy update to users, but then again anyone who updated from 2.0 to 3.0 should have known what it would be like. I did.
This business of trying to install modern software on a 2 year old phone has to stop.
Either you want Apple to make new stuff as fast as possible, or you want your old stuff to stay relevant. Which is it?
Apple never should have pushed out the buggy update to users, but then again anyone who updated from 2.0 to 3.0 should have known what it would be like. I did.
You realize that AT&T and Apple were still selling NEW 3G's as recently as May/June - right? Those people are locked in for another 12 months at least and would have to pay > $400 to "just buy a new phone".
Also many people, including myself, did get new phones but want to use our old 3G's like an iPod Touch now or as a development mule.
4.1 is a huge improvement of 4.0 on the 3G. Still not as fast as 3.x, or 2.x for that matter, but makes it usable again.
The 3G will always come up short against the 4G as the 4G has a very good antenna. Well as long as you don!"'t short it out. I'm not sure why people still are under the influence of all the negative press around the 4G. Even after a self done "demo" like yours you still seem to think the 4G has a lesser antenna system. I don't get it.
Dave
You misconstrue my posting. I acknowledge the 4g has a better antenna than my old 3g. All I was saying was that it seemed that after I upgraded to 4.0 the reception on my 3g got worse and I was hoping (albeit knowing it wont) that the software upgrade improves the 3g reception so I do not have to buy another phone and thereby get locked into another 2 year contract.
About as fast as 3.1.3 on an iPod touch (1st gen), which I think has pretty much the same hardware. I launched several apps, and visited a few web sites. They were neck and neck, but somehow, the 3.1.3 iPod touch seems a little more responsive.
This might have something to do with a seemingly slightly different timing model in Core Animation, so not really a bug, but a feature (?).
4.1 appears to be marginally faster across the board, but the 3G iPhones that were affected (not all were having this problem) are seeing huge gains. So it appears there is some code refining and a big fix for whatever was ailing some 3G iPhones.
I hope so, because I want my phone back. Right now it is slooooooooooow.
Like people are saying on Lifehacker and Gizmodo, there needs to be a test between 4.1 and 3.1.3. 4.0 is so bad that anything is going to look better while 3.1.3 is the benchmark for the phone.
At one level, you are right, but at another, as long as it is noticeably faster, such that one can type at a normal speed, and not have Safari "sit there", or to be able to play Archetype would be a step in the right direction.
You realize that AT&T and Apple were still selling NEW 3G's as recently as May/June - right? Those people are locked in for another 12 months at least and would have to pay > $400 to "just buy a new phone".
Also many people, including myself, did get new phones but want to use our old 3G's like an iPod Touch now or as a development mule.
4.1 is a huge improvement of 4.0 on the 3G. Still not as fast as 3.x, or 2.x for that matter, but makes it usable again.
You said it exactly right. This was not a "2 year old phone" in the sense of being mothballed. It had only been discontinued a couple of months.
Besides, when Apple said the software would run on the 3G, with certain functions disabled, the clear implication of that statement is that everything else would be fine. This is why they said it will not run on the 2G at all.
A flippant reply of "buy a new phone" is unacceptable.
You said it exactly right. This was not a "2 year old phone" in the sense of being mothballed. It had only been discontinued a couple of months.
Besides, when Apple said the software would run on the 3G, with certain functions disabled, the clear implication of that statement is that everything else would be fine. This is why they said it will not run on the 2G at all.
A flippant reply of "buy a new phone" is unacceptable.
I wonder what it is that makes some 3G iPhones different from others. Mine was affected and after suffering from an almost unusable phone for a few weeks, I downgraded it. The added features in iOS4 were just not enough to put up with the constant lag.
I wondered that too, as every person I know with a 3G after updating to 4 some apps took over 10 seconds to launch.
Its hard to believe -no one- at apple knew of this. What hey didn't test that. suuuure.
Sure makes one want to upgrade to an iPhone4 in a hurry though...
Its hard to believe -no one- at apple knew of this. What hey didn't test that. suuuure.
Sure makes one want to upgrade to an iPhone4 in a hurry though…
Gotta love how the trolls' brain works. Instead of Apple just not making iOS 4 for the 3G, and changing the upgrade cycle to 2 years, they think Apple would spend the time, money and effort to make an OS that will purposely hinder the old device, thus making Apple look worse than not offering an update at all, and potentially causing a costly class action lawsuit after this willful impairment is discovered. Where the hell do these people spawn from?
Gotta love how the trolls' brain works. Instead of Apple just not making iOS 4 for the 3G, and changing the upgrade cycle to 2 years, they think Apple would spend the time, money and effort to make an OS that will purposely hinder the old device, thus making Apple look worse than not offering an update at all, and potentially causing a costly class action lawsuit after this willful impairment is discovered. Where the hell do these people spawn from?
It's the truth though, even if you don't like it. Yelling and shrieking TROOOOLLLL!!! doesn't make it any better. Sorry.
I'm simply not stupid enough to believe that no one, at apple saw that this update slowed a recent model phone to pretty much unusable. If they want to exclude a phone from 2 years ago, that's fine, but don't pretend it's simply a 'few features disabled'. It feels like almost the whole damn phone is disabled.
Once again, it appears some really get upset if an apple user DARES criticize apple. One could get drawn and quartered for that I guess. eh?
It's the truth though, even if you don't like it. Yelling and shrieking TROOOOLLLL!!! doesn't make it any better. Sorry.
I'm simply not stupid enough to believe that no one, at apple saw that this update slowed a recent model phone to pretty much unusable. If they want to exclude a phone from 2 years ago, that's fine, but don't pretend it's simply a 'few features disabled'. It feels like almost the whole damn phone is disabled.
Once again, it appears some really get upset if an apple user DARES criticize apple. One could get drawn and quartered for that I guess. eh?
1) I never yell or sheik.
2) Disagreeing is not defined as putting on a tinfoil hat and claiming a corporate conspiracy to willfully hobble iPhone 3Gs to force people to buy iPhone 4s.
3) Anyone that did the update and suffered issues should have a) downgraded if they could, b) had Apple give them a new phone that worked appropriately, but your ?yelling and shrieking? on an internet forum that Apple has some diabolical plan to damage your iPhone 3G instead of simply not supporting it all is complete BS and fits more with a Pixar movie than with a real life corporate game plan. therefore you are either trolling or you are so fraked in the head you don?t realize how insane your comment sounds, so calling you a troll was the nicer of the comments I could have chosen. You?re welcome!
2) Disagreeing is not defined as putting on a tinfoil hat and claiming a corporate conspiracy to willfully hobble iPhone 3Gs to force people to buy iPhone 4s.
3) Anyone that did the update and suffered issues should have a) downgraded if they could, b) had Apple give them a new phone that worked appropriately, but your ?yelling and shrieking? on an internet forum that Apple has some diabolical plan to damage your iPhone 3G instead of simply not supporting it all is complete BS and fits more with a Pixar movie than with a real life corporate game plan. therefore you are either trolling or you are so fraked in the head you don?t realize how insane your comment sounds, so calling you a troll was the nicer of the comments I could have chosen. You?re welcome!
1) thinking that planned obsolescence is putting on a tinfoil hat likely means you live under a rock.
3) I couldn't care less how many names you have for me. You seem to love calling anyone a troll here who dares suggest anything other than absolute love for apple. Track record, it isn't the first time, you called me a troll, and I'm sure it won't be the last.
So now you are changing your argument. Note that is a sign of trolling. First you imply that Apple has deliberately and maliciously hindered consumers ability to use the iPhone 3G so they will be forced to buy the iPhone 4, now you are taking my argument that they could have simply not updated it at all, thus a planned obsolescence.
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3) I couldn't care less how many names you have for me. You seem to love calling anyone a troll here who dares suggest anything other than absolute love for apple. Track record, it isn't the first time, you called me a troll, and I'm sure it won't be the last.
How about replacing your tinfoil hat with a thinking cap. Using some critical thinking and at least trying to be objective in your comments. The very fact that you think posters who are continually post pro and con comments are only posting ?absolute love for apple? is proof that you fall under one or more of the two categories I?ve previously mentioned.
Of course Apple wants everyone with a 3G to upgrade to the 4, that's not a revelation. But the accusation of some devious plot for planned obsolescence is just a accusation with no firm support.
Especially in light of the fact that Apple had the option of not including the 3G in the iOS update from the beginning.
As far as the quality of Apple's testing iOS 4 on the 3G. Unless you work at Apple there is no way to know what happened.
Did Microsoft spend years and hundreds of millions in personal capital for Vista to be so poorly received? Didn't they test it?
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thinking that planned obsolescence is putting on a tinfoil hat likely means you live under a rock.
So now you are changing your argument. Note that is a sign of trolling. First you imply that Apple has deliberately and maliciously hindered consumers ability to use the iPhone 3G so they will be forced to buy the iPhone 4, now you are taking my argument that they could have simply not updated it at all, thus a planned obsolescence.
How about replacing your tinfoil hat with a thinking cap. Using some critical thinking and at least trying to be objective in your comments. The very fact that you think posters who are continually post pro and con comments are only posting ?absolute love for apple? is proof that you fall under one or more of the two categories I?ve previously mentioned.
bored today?
There is no change in argument whatsoever. I have no idea -what- Apple plans, how could I... only that, 1) there's no way no one at Apple could have not known this, since it seems to affect the vast majority of 3G phones, and having a phone that DID work very well, suddenly perform so badly as to be nearly useless at times, I have to wonder, what is going on. And THIS, makes one a troll? Someone needs to chill...
I don't care what you like to categorize people under, As a devoted apple user, I have opinions both good and bad on things that happen with Apple and their products.
Of course Apple wants everyone with a 3G to upgrade to the 4, that's not a revelation. But the accusation of some devious plot for planned obsolescence is just a accusation with no firm support.
Especially in light of the fact that Apple had the option of not including the 3G in the iOS update from the beginning.
As far as the quality of Apple's testing iOS 4 on the 3G. Unless you work at Apple there is no way to know what happened.
Did Microsoft spend years and hundreds of millions in personal capital for Vista to be so poorly received? Didn't they test it?
of course I have no support, no facts, anything. I think that's rather obvious. Only frustration, and wondering what the hell is going on. So I made a snide remark about it, and feel justified since it's a major piss off, and everyone gets their panties in a bunch.
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Looking forward to Wednesday and the installation of 4.1
This business of trying to install modern software on a 2 year old phone has to stop.
Either you want Apple to make new stuff as fast as possible, or you want your old stuff to stay relevant. Which is it?
Apple never should have pushed out the buggy update to users, but then again anyone who updated from 2.0 to 3.0 should have known what it would be like. I did.
Just buy a new phone. Seriously.
This business of trying to install modern software on a 2 year old phone has to stop.
Either you want Apple to make new stuff as fast as possible, or you want your old stuff to stay relevant. Which is it?
Apple never should have pushed out the buggy update to users, but then again anyone who updated from 2.0 to 3.0 should have known what it would be like. I did.
You realize that AT&T and Apple were still selling NEW 3G's as recently as May/June - right? Those people are locked in for another 12 months at least and would have to pay > $400 to "just buy a new phone".
Also many people, including myself, did get new phones but want to use our old 3G's like an iPod Touch now or as a development mule.
4.1 is a huge improvement of 4.0 on the 3G. Still not as fast as 3.x, or 2.x for that matter, but makes it usable again.
The 3G will always come up short against the 4G as the 4G has a very good antenna. Well as long as you don!"'t short it out. I'm not sure why people still are under the influence of all the negative press around the 4G. Even after a self done "demo" like yours you still seem to think the 4G has a lesser antenna system. I don't get it.
Dave
You misconstrue my posting. I acknowledge the 4g has a better antenna than my old 3g. All I was saying was that it seemed that after I upgraded to 4.0 the reception on my 3g got worse and I was hoping (albeit knowing it wont) that the software upgrade improves the 3g reception so I do not have to buy another phone and thereby get locked into another 2 year contract.
This business of trying to install modern software on a 2 year old phone has to stop.
That is an absurd statement.
But is it as responsive as 3.1.3 is/was?
About as fast as 3.1.3 on an iPod touch (1st gen), which I think has pretty much the same hardware. I launched several apps, and visited a few web sites. They were neck and neck, but somehow, the 3.1.3 iPod touch seems a little more responsive.
This might have something to do with a seemingly slightly different timing model in Core Animation, so not really a bug, but a feature (?).
4.1 appears to be marginally faster across the board, but the 3G iPhones that were affected (not all were having this problem) are seeing huge gains. So it appears there is some code refining and a big fix for whatever was ailing some 3G iPhones.
I hope so, because I want my phone back. Right now it is slooooooooooow.
Like people are saying on Lifehacker and Gizmodo, there needs to be a test between 4.1 and 3.1.3. 4.0 is so bad that anything is going to look better while 3.1.3 is the benchmark for the phone.
At one level, you are right, but at another, as long as it is noticeably faster, such that one can type at a normal speed, and not have Safari "sit there", or to be able to play Archetype would be a step in the right direction.
You realize that AT&T and Apple were still selling NEW 3G's as recently as May/June - right? Those people are locked in for another 12 months at least and would have to pay > $400 to "just buy a new phone".
Also many people, including myself, did get new phones but want to use our old 3G's like an iPod Touch now or as a development mule.
4.1 is a huge improvement of 4.0 on the 3G. Still not as fast as 3.x, or 2.x for that matter, but makes it usable again.
You said it exactly right. This was not a "2 year old phone" in the sense of being mothballed. It had only been discontinued a couple of months.
Besides, when Apple said the software would run on the 3G, with certain functions disabled, the clear implication of that statement is that everything else would be fine. This is why they said it will not run on the 2G at all.
A flippant reply of "buy a new phone" is unacceptable.
You said it exactly right. This was not a "2 year old phone" in the sense of being mothballed. It had only been discontinued a couple of months.
Besides, when Apple said the software would run on the 3G, with certain functions disabled, the clear implication of that statement is that everything else would be fine. This is why they said it will not run on the 2G at all.
A flippant reply of "buy a new phone" is unacceptable.
Amen.
I wonder what it is that makes some 3G iPhones different from others. Mine was affected and after suffering from an almost unusable phone for a few weeks, I downgraded it. The added features in iOS4 were just not enough to put up with the constant lag.
I wondered that too, as every person I know with a 3G after updating to 4 some apps took over 10 seconds to launch.
Its hard to believe -no one- at apple knew of this. What hey didn't test that. suuuure.
Sure makes one want to upgrade to an iPhone4 in a hurry though...
Its hard to believe -no one- at apple knew of this. What hey didn't test that. suuuure.
Sure makes one want to upgrade to an iPhone4 in a hurry though…
Gotta love how the trolls' brain works. Instead of Apple just not making iOS 4 for the 3G, and changing the upgrade cycle to 2 years, they think Apple would spend the time, money and effort to make an OS that will purposely hinder the old device, thus making Apple look worse than not offering an update at all, and potentially causing a costly class action lawsuit after this willful impairment is discovered. Where the hell do these people spawn from?
Gotta love how the trolls' brain works. Instead of Apple just not making iOS 4 for the 3G, and changing the upgrade cycle to 2 years, they think Apple would spend the time, money and effort to make an OS that will purposely hinder the old device, thus making Apple look worse than not offering an update at all, and potentially causing a costly class action lawsuit after this willful impairment is discovered. Where the hell do these people spawn from?
It's the truth though, even if you don't like it. Yelling and shrieking TROOOOLLLL!!! doesn't make it any better. Sorry.
I'm simply not stupid enough to believe that no one, at apple saw that this update slowed a recent model phone to pretty much unusable. If they want to exclude a phone from 2 years ago, that's fine, but don't pretend it's simply a 'few features disabled'. It feels like almost the whole damn phone is disabled.
Once again, it appears some really get upset if an apple user DARES criticize apple. One could get drawn and quartered for that I guess. eh?
It's the truth though, even if you don't like it. Yelling and shrieking TROOOOLLLL!!! doesn't make it any better. Sorry.
I'm simply not stupid enough to believe that no one, at apple saw that this update slowed a recent model phone to pretty much unusable. If they want to exclude a phone from 2 years ago, that's fine, but don't pretend it's simply a 'few features disabled'. It feels like almost the whole damn phone is disabled.
Once again, it appears some really get upset if an apple user DARES criticize apple. One could get drawn and quartered for that I guess. eh?
1) I never yell or sheik.
2) Disagreeing is not defined as putting on a tinfoil hat and claiming a corporate conspiracy to willfully hobble iPhone 3Gs to force people to buy iPhone 4s.
3) Anyone that did the update and suffered issues should have a) downgraded if they could, b) had Apple give them a new phone that worked appropriately, but your ?yelling and shrieking? on an internet forum that Apple has some diabolical plan to damage your iPhone 3G instead of simply not supporting it all is complete BS and fits more with a Pixar movie than with a real life corporate game plan. therefore you are either trolling or you are so fraked in the head you don?t realize how insane your comment sounds, so calling you a troll was the nicer of the comments I could have chosen. You?re welcome!
1) I never yell or sheik.
2) Disagreeing is not defined as putting on a tinfoil hat and claiming a corporate conspiracy to willfully hobble iPhone 3Gs to force people to buy iPhone 4s.
3) Anyone that did the update and suffered issues should have a) downgraded if they could, b) had Apple give them a new phone that worked appropriately, but your ?yelling and shrieking? on an internet forum that Apple has some diabolical plan to damage your iPhone 3G instead of simply not supporting it all is complete BS and fits more with a Pixar movie than with a real life corporate game plan. therefore you are either trolling or you are so fraked in the head you don?t realize how insane your comment sounds, so calling you a troll was the nicer of the comments I could have chosen. You?re welcome!
1) thinking that planned obsolescence is putting on a tinfoil hat likely means you live under a rock.
2) If you do live under a rock, and think it couldn't possibly be true, there's even a wiki for your information... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence
3) I couldn't care less how many names you have for me. You seem to love calling anyone a troll here who dares suggest anything other than absolute love for apple. Track record, it isn't the first time, you called me a troll, and I'm sure it won't be the last.
Have a nice day.
1) thinking that planned obsolescence is putting on a tinfoil hat likely means you live under a rock.
2) If you do live under a rock, and think it couldn't possibly be true, there's even a wiki for your information... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence
So now you are changing your argument. Note that is a sign of trolling. First you imply that Apple has deliberately and maliciously hindered consumers ability to use the iPhone 3G so they will be forced to buy the iPhone 4, now you are taking my argument that they could have simply not updated it at all, thus a planned obsolescence.
3) I couldn't care less how many names you have for me. You seem to love calling anyone a troll here who dares suggest anything other than absolute love for apple. Track record, it isn't the first time, you called me a troll, and I'm sure it won't be the last.
How about replacing your tinfoil hat with a thinking cap. Using some critical thinking and at least trying to be objective in your comments. The very fact that you think posters who are continually post pro and con comments are only posting ?absolute love for apple? is proof that you fall under one or more of the two categories I?ve previously mentioned.
Especially in light of the fact that Apple had the option of not including the 3G in the iOS update from the beginning.
As far as the quality of Apple's testing iOS 4 on the 3G. Unless you work at Apple there is no way to know what happened.
Did Microsoft spend years and hundreds of millions in personal capital for Vista to be so poorly received? Didn't they test it?
thinking that planned obsolescence is putting on a tinfoil hat likely means you live under a rock.
So now you are changing your argument. Note that is a sign of trolling. First you imply that Apple has deliberately and maliciously hindered consumers ability to use the iPhone 3G so they will be forced to buy the iPhone 4, now you are taking my argument that they could have simply not updated it at all, thus a planned obsolescence.
How about replacing your tinfoil hat with a thinking cap. Using some critical thinking and at least trying to be objective in your comments. The very fact that you think posters who are continually post pro and con comments are only posting ?absolute love for apple? is proof that you fall under one or more of the two categories I?ve previously mentioned.
bored today?
There is no change in argument whatsoever. I have no idea -what- Apple plans, how could I... only that, 1) there's no way no one at Apple could have not known this, since it seems to affect the vast majority of 3G phones, and having a phone that DID work very well, suddenly perform so badly as to be nearly useless at times, I have to wonder, what is going on. And THIS, makes one a troll? Someone needs to chill...
I don't care what you like to categorize people under, As a devoted apple user, I have opinions both good and bad on things that happen with Apple and their products.
Deal with it.
Of course Apple wants everyone with a 3G to upgrade to the 4, that's not a revelation. But the accusation of some devious plot for planned obsolescence is just a accusation with no firm support.
Especially in light of the fact that Apple had the option of not including the 3G in the iOS update from the beginning.
As far as the quality of Apple's testing iOS 4 on the 3G. Unless you work at Apple there is no way to know what happened.
Did Microsoft spend years and hundreds of millions in personal capital for Vista to be so poorly received? Didn't they test it?
of course I have no support, no facts, anything. I think that's rather obvious. Only frustration, and wondering what the hell is going on. So I made a snide remark about it, and feel justified since it's a major piss off, and everyone gets their panties in a bunch.