Trust me, There will be a million dollar Flash app. It will probably be written by a teenager who will laugh at you all the way to the bank. But, you could still be right in what you said. Thats the way the world works. Even a guy who looks like Hugh Hefner can get girls.
I would have preferred that they had, but, still, the marketplace is likely to be hostile to the crap Flash apps we are likely to see. This may actually be a case where competitive forces will convince developers that laziness and crappy development tools (i.e., Flash) don't lead to marketplace success. The sheer number of quality apps from Objective-C developers will likely cause this garbage to disappear into the obscurity of the App Store's bottom apps list: apps that are almost never downloaded and have overwhelmingly negative reviews. Based on what's out there on the web, there will be no quality Flash apps, and Flash development will be recognized as the complete waste of time that it is.
Trust me, There will be a million dollar Flash app. It will probably be written by a teenager who will laugh at you all the way to the bank. But, you could still be right in what you said. Thats the way the world works. Even a guy who looks like Hugh Hefner can get girls.
Hopefully Flash 10.1 support for iOS is not too far off.
(since the rest of the ENTIRE world is working with Adobe to make it work, and work well on their devices... Apple would be foolish to ignore this out of spite)
Hopefully Flash 10.1 support for iOS is not too far off.
(since the rest of the ENTIRE world is working with Adobe to make it work, and work well on their devices... Apple would be foolish to ignore this out of spite)
Apparently the BoD has finally found the cojones to stand up to Steve. After this morning's success, your prediction may indeed come to pass.
I would have preferred that they had, but, still, the marketplace is likely to be hostile to the crap Flash apps we are likely to see. This may actually be a case where competitive forces will convince developers that laziness and crappy development tools (i.e., Flash) don't lead to marketplace success. The sheer number of quality apps from Objective-C developers will likely cause this garbage to disappear into the obscurity of the App Store's bottom apps list: apps that are almost never downloaded and have overwhelmingly negative reviews. Based on what's out there on the web, there will be no quality Flash apps, and Flash development will be recognized as the complete waste of time that it is.
This news must come as a crushing disappointment for you. You appear to be holding out on one last hope that Flash based iPhone apps won't have the same worthless 99% adoption rate that Flash in the desktop space has suffered.
Hopefully Flash 10.1 support for iOS is not too far off.
(since the rest of the ENTIRE world is working with Adobe to make it work, and work well on their devices... Apple would be foolish to ignore this out of spite)
Unlikely. That would be a massive u-turn from Apple.
Right now Apple is such a big part of the mobile web that sites are slowly being forced to offer non-flash alternatives. I read today that in three years time the majority of gaming websites will probably be in HTML5 instead of Flash.
Now the rise of Android with its support for Flash may change this. If Flash support starts to become a competitive advantage I can see it being added to iOS; however, I don't think that will happen in the near term and the longer Apple holds out the stronger the argument for HTML5 becomes in the fight against Flash.
In a way, requiring Xcode for iOS development helped ensure that developers would actually use Macs, which could lead to more Mac sales. Does the allowing of third party dev tools mean that developers will no longer need a Mac or Xcode at all, from initial coding to submission to the App Store?
Competition is neither good nor bad. Its results can be constructive, or destructive. It is only the actions of competitors that make the result of competition positive or negative, and there is no guarantee what the result will be.
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What a terrible thing to say. Competition is a very good thing. Unless you're a shareholder I guess.
No, anonymouse has stated the truth very succinctly. It is naive to believe that competition is just good. Competition leads to clashes over resources in which the resource itself is often diminished leading to further clashes. Wastage is maximized.
Cooperation (often maligned as socialism or communism) means that a resource is shared with wastage minimized.
Competition is good in so far as it motivates the competitors to do better and thus satisfy more customers. Cooperation lacks this motivation. But we should be motivated to produce good work even in the absence of competition. That is cool.
At worst competition leads to wars or protracted legal battles.
If you want to see the bad effects of competition in the computing marketplace try to get a hold of Richard DeLamater's Big Blue: IBM's use and abuse of power.
So, all you are really saying, is that for a business, the owners or the shareholders, a lack of competition is good. That is sort of what he meant when he said "Unless you're a shareholder I guess". Obviously, for a business, or anyone involved in it, a lack of competition is good.
Well, the ultimate goal of competition is to kill the competition right. So there is no competition. So the pro-competition people just vanished in a puff of their own logic!
Heh...Monotouch is on sale for 15% off in celebration. Too bad it's still $350 or so from a company on the ropes and looking for a buyer. Otherwise I'd consider it since they have Monodroid in the works and WP7 apps can be written in C#.
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Field Test Returns in iOS 4.1
http://www.cultofmac.com/field-test-...-ios-4-1/58457
What is that icon between the bluetooth icon and the battery percentage?
Probably because you're too busy writing them.
Yeah! Ha ha ha. Ummm there is only one difference. Some people really believe the madness they post and some come here for the satire.
Ah, the Apple Insider forum. What a collection of... oops. Gotta watch the name calling. Don't want to get another point.
Exactly. Deluged by brainless web app morons.
Trust me, There will be a million dollar Flash app. It will probably be written by a teenager who will laugh at you all the way to the bank. But, you could still be right in what you said. Thats the way the world works. Even a guy who looks like Hugh Hefner can get girls.
I would have preferred that they had, but, still, the marketplace is likely to be hostile to the crap Flash apps we are likely to see. This may actually be a case where competitive forces will convince developers that laziness and crappy development tools (i.e., Flash) don't lead to marketplace success. The sheer number of quality apps from Objective-C developers will likely cause this garbage to disappear into the obscurity of the App Store's bottom apps list: apps that are almost never downloaded and have overwhelmingly negative reviews. Based on what's out there on the web, there will be no quality Flash apps, and Flash development will be recognized as the complete waste of time that it is.
Insiders at Apple disagree with you.
Quoting from the guidelines:
"Apps that browse the web must use the iOS WebKit framework and WebKit Javascript"
If an app isn't a web browser, then the use of HTML and javascript isn't explicitly sanctioned.
WebKit is not a Web browser. It's a set of frameworks with JavascriptCore you can leverage.
Trust me, There will be a million dollar Flash app. It will probably be written by a teenager who will laugh at you all the way to the bank. But, you could still be right in what you said. Thats the way the world works. Even a guy who looks like Hugh Hefner can get girls.
Women will always spread for financial security.
(since the rest of the ENTIRE world is working with Adobe to make it work, and work well on their devices... Apple would be foolish to ignore this out of spite)
Women will always spread for financial security.
Wow. Did you really mean to write that?
Creepy philosophy....
Hopefully Flash 10.1 support for iOS is not too far off.
(since the rest of the ENTIRE world is working with Adobe to make it work, and work well on their devices... Apple would be foolish to ignore this out of spite)
Apparently the BoD has finally found the cojones to stand up to Steve. After this morning's success, your prediction may indeed come to pass.
I would have preferred that they had, but, still, the marketplace is likely to be hostile to the crap Flash apps we are likely to see. This may actually be a case where competitive forces will convince developers that laziness and crappy development tools (i.e., Flash) don't lead to marketplace success. The sheer number of quality apps from Objective-C developers will likely cause this garbage to disappear into the obscurity of the App Store's bottom apps list: apps that are almost never downloaded and have overwhelmingly negative reviews. Based on what's out there on the web, there will be no quality Flash apps, and Flash development will be recognized as the complete waste of time that it is.
This news must come as a crushing disappointment for you. You appear to be holding out on one last hope that Flash based iPhone apps won't have the same worthless 99% adoption rate that Flash in the desktop space has suffered.
Hopefully Flash 10.1 support for iOS is not too far off.
(since the rest of the ENTIRE world is working with Adobe to make it work, and work well on their devices... Apple would be foolish to ignore this out of spite)
Unlikely. That would be a massive u-turn from Apple.
Right now Apple is such a big part of the mobile web that sites are slowly being forced to offer non-flash alternatives. I read today that in three years time the majority of gaming websites will probably be in HTML5 instead of Flash.
Now the rise of Android with its support for Flash may change this. If Flash support starts to become a competitive advantage I can see it being added to iOS; however, I don't think that will happen in the near term and the longer Apple holds out the stronger the argument for HTML5 becomes in the fight against Flash.
Is this a U-turn or the natural progression of an maturing platform. .
The two are not mutually exclusive. As a result of a maturing platform, Apple could have seen the need to reverse its policy, which it then did.
Unlikely. That would be a massive u-turn from Apple.
All that much more massive than the u-turn from their bizarre, unprecedented control over developers' choice of languages?
All that much more massive than the u-turn from their bizarre, unprecedented control over developers' choice of languages?
Much much more massive and much more public.
Apple is heavily pushing HTML5 and have been very public with the anti-Flash comments.
The Federal Trade Commission probably called Jobs and told him he was going to jail if he didn't stop trying to rule the world.
Hyperbole, thy name is Blackintosh.
Hyperbole, thy name is Blackintosh.
Could it also be hyperbola as his arguments will eventually circle back contradicting his original posts?
Competition is neither good nor bad. Its results can be constructive, or destructive. It is only the actions of competitors that make the result of competition positive or negative, and there is no guarantee what the result will be.
What a terrible thing to say. Competition is a very good thing. Unless you're a shareholder I guess.
No, anonymouse has stated the truth very succinctly. It is naive to believe that competition is just good. Competition leads to clashes over resources in which the resource itself is often diminished leading to further clashes. Wastage is maximized.
Cooperation (often maligned as socialism or communism) means that a resource is shared with wastage minimized.
Competition is good in so far as it motivates the competitors to do better and thus satisfy more customers. Cooperation lacks this motivation. But we should be motivated to produce good work even in the absence of competition. That is cool.
At worst competition leads to wars or protracted legal battles.
If you want to see the bad effects of competition in the computing marketplace try to get a hold of Richard DeLamater's Big Blue: IBM's use and abuse of power.
So, all you are really saying, is that for a business, the owners or the shareholders, a lack of competition is good. That is sort of what he meant when he said "Unless you're a shareholder I guess". Obviously, for a business, or anyone involved in it, a lack of competition is good.
Well, the ultimate goal of competition is to kill the competition right. So there is no competition. So the pro-competition people just vanished in a puff of their own logic!
I like C# more than ObjC.