If the net isn't available how do I sync over the net?
Your right, the way it is explained is confusing. I think the idea is that when you know you will not have access, such as prior to boarding a plane, you would download what you wanted into your device from the cloud.
Why can't they just keep a list of all purchases from iTunes like music, videos, apps, etc. and then just backup (sync) data, photos, email, etc. from the iDevice. They would then keep a list of what purchased items you keep on your device and they could restore a device by reloading the purchased items from itunes and the data from the backup. That way all you need to sync is the changes to data, photos, emails, etc. and not store the iFart app 10 million times in 10 million different users sync files.
That is how it works with App Store apps, with Dropbox, with Time Machine and many other modern storage systems.
I'm not sure what all of the complaints are against MM. The server farm is going to be built and MM updates are not long coming as this article points out. As it stands now, I wouldn't go without it.
I mean, find my iphone, mail, Calender, contacts, bookmarks synch and MM backup. They all work well for me. Drop box isn't that impressive compared to MM. Do the naysayers have or ever had a MM account?
The biggest stop gap is the bandwidth issue. If we expect to backup all of our stuff forget it. I mean at least for me. Synching the current stuff I'm working on is great, but everything? Further I notice significant performance improvement on better internet service.
Finally, you can stream your music and videos from idisk. You better have a decent connection, but it works fine.
Just my opinion.
I agree, I love Mobile Me. My dream would be to have all my music and videos, and other data stored in the cloud. Then I could purchase as much as I wanted without taking up hard drive space on my computer. I would then download what I wanted into my various devices and have the ability to stream the rest as well. Without this ability the new apple tv is not that exciting because I still have to store everything on my laptop in order to stream to my apple tv. Having an improved ability to store in the cloud would make both the iphone and ipad more useful. No need to worry about storage space on your individual device. Download what you need and the stream the rest.
I mean, find my iphone, mail, Calender, contacts, bookmarks synch and MM backup. They all work well for me. Drop box isn't that impressive compared to MM. Do the naysayers have or ever had a MM account?
What you are referring to is very different from what Dropbox offers. Any mention I make to MobileMe and Dropbox is really a comparison to iDisk and Dropbox as those are the two comparable services.
I use both. I use MobileMe for my push email, backups of all my important data, and Find My iPhone. For the money it?s worth the $80/year I pay for the Family Pack. But for file storage and sharing I don?t use iDisk, I use Dropbox. It?s better in every single way. I love that if a file is already on their servers it won?t re-upload it, but will say it?s done almost instantly after it checks the file, even if I have changed the name of the file.
What you are referring to is very different from what Dropbox offers. Any mention I make to MobileMe and Dropbox is really a comparison to iDisk and Dropbox as those are the two comparable services.
I use both. I use MobileMe for my push email, backups of all my important data, and Find My iPhone. For the money it?s worth the $80/year I pay for the Family Pack. But for file storage and sharing I don?t use iDisk, I use Dropbox. It?s better in every single way. I love that if a file is already on their servers it won?t re-upload it, but will say it?s done almost instantly after it checks the file, even if I have changed the name of the file.
Now that is the kind of response I like seeing. The whole naming scheme feature sounds great.I have a friend that was looking for a system that would support it. I'll let him know.
I agree, I love Mobile Me. My dream would be to have all my music and videos, and other data stored in the cloud. Then I could purchase as much as I wanted without taking up hard drive space on my computer. I would then download what I wanted into my various devices and have the ability to stream the rest as well. Without this ability the new apple tv is not that exciting because I still have to store everything on my laptop in order to stream to my apple tv. Having an improved ability to store in the cloud would make both the iphone and ipad more useful. No need to worry about storage space on your individual device. Download what you need and the stream the rest.
Yeah, I hope and think this is coming. It would be a huge disappointment if it didn't
Memo to Apple: Just buy Dropbox, and be done with it.
Dropbox is only 90% of the way there--and we're not playing horseshoes or handgrenades. Dropbox data are encrypted during transmission and in the cloud, but Dropbox possesses the keys. Data are more secure if users (and only users) possess the keys.
What you are referring to is very different from what Dropbox offers. Any mention I make to MobileMe and Dropbox is really a comparison to iDisk and Dropbox as those are the two comparable services.
I use both. I use MobileMe for my push email, backups of all my important data, and Find My iPhone. For the money it?s worth the $80/year I pay for the Family Pack. But for file storage and sharing I don?t use iDisk, I use Dropbox. It?s better in every single way. I love that if a file is already on their servers it won?t re-upload it, but will say it?s done almost instantly after it checks the file, even if I have changed the name of the file.
I am looking into DropBox as I type. ... thanks for the tip.
BTW. Don't you suspect this is pretty much what Apple may be coming out with soon?
Why can't they just keep a list of all purchases from iTunes like music, videos, apps, etc. and then just backup (sync) data, photos, email, etc. from the iDevice. They would then keep a list of what purchased items you keep on your device and they could restore a device by reloading the purchased items from itunes and the data from the backup. That way all you need to sync is the changes to data, photos, emails, etc. and not store the iFart app 10 million times in 10 million different users sync files.
That's what hardlinks are for and Time Machine already does that on a local network. It's a small evolutionary step to do that at a datacenter level once you have a datacenter. To take it another step further, file MD5s can be used to do the same thing for standard application files across any app. Then most users just need positive private storage of their unique files.
Dropbox is only 90% of the way there--and we're not playing horseshoes or handgrenades. Dropbox data are encrypted during transmission and in the cloud, but Dropbox possesses the keys. Data are more secure if users (and only users) possess the keys.
Of course it's only part way there. Just as SoundJam was before Apple bought it and made it iTunes. Changed the music landscape forever, didn't it?
I'll bet you this: Some big tech company will buy out DB very soon. It'll be gone. (Look, for instance, at the ridiculous sums of money being recently thrown around by companies like Dell and HP for start-ups with 'cloud' skills). In the meantime, Apple will be still noodling around with its sub-par MM. If, after this many years, MM is still where it is, I don't hold out much hope for it.
Of course [DropBox is] only part way there. Just as SoundJam was before Apple bought it and made it iTunes. Changed the music landscape forever, didn't it?
You're missing the point: the public is far too complacent and lax with their trust of cloud computing and storage services. IMHO this stems largely out of the public's ignorance and a mass hysteria towards using the latest, coolest things. But if we, the people, don't wise up and stand up for our privacy, the corporations and criminals will walk right over us.
You're missing the point: the public is far too complacent and lax with their trust of cloud computing and storage services. IMHO this stems largely out of the public's ignorance and a mass hysteria towards using the latest, coolest things. But if we, the people, don't wise up and stand up for our privacy, the corporations and criminals will walk right over us.
The things I put on the cloud have little or nothing to do with 'privacy.' Large parts of my life -- indeed, all our lives -- is far from private.
If yours is not, well, you must work for the .....
Memo to Apple: Just buy Dropbox, and be done with it.
My sentiments with one critical caveat. One of the strengths of Dropbox is that is runs marvelously on virtually every platform, mobile or desktop. It's hard to image Apple devoting the same attention to the Droid app that they devote to one for an iPhone.
A much better idea might be to build support for Dropbox (and for fairness sake, similar services) into the Mac OS and iOS. They do that with Google, despite the competition between the two. They could certainly manage to do so with a small and specialized outfit like Dropbox. And they might also buy non-exclusive rights to Dropbox code, so what they're doing 'in the cloud' works as well.
And while Apple is doing that, they might work with Dropbox programmers so OS X and Dropbox can deal with OS X's package folders without occasional glitches. That's the only thing keeping many otherwise happy Scrivener users from storing their Scrivener projects (typically books) in Dropbox.
Fortunately, the 2.0 version of Scrivener, due out in late October, will partially get around that by allowing writers to check out chapters of their book to be worked on with any text application and device that works with Dropbox, including iPhones and the just-out PlainText app.
With the volume of clients they have they need one hell of a data center link to insane telecom lines. This is why they are building one and cant offer this until this is done.
I hope a US data centre works well in Australia and other places around the world!
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If the net isn't available how do I sync over the net?
I _think_ they're talking about something I've been wanting for a while.
Your data is saved locally (like a regular synced iPhone), and when it gets an internet connection it syncs. At this time, there is a pre-made list of items ready to sync which it has predicted you'll want access to (I guess each side knows what has changed too?). There is also the facility to request what you want synced manually. And thirdly there are "savvy" apps which can get data straight from the cloud without the syncing.
There's lots that could be done with this model, it'll be really interesting to watch.
The things I put on the cloud have little or nothing to do with 'privacy.' Large parts of my life -- indeed, all our lives -- is far from private.
If yours is not, well, you must work for the .....
The CEO of Apple?
I have no intention of revealing my business dealings and family matters to just anyone.
But please feel free to prostrate yourself on the alter of money-grubbing entrepreneurs who could give a crap about our privacy. Just because you don't see how it could be any other way doesn't mean the rest of us have to settle for the status quo.
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If the net isn't available how do I sync over the net?
Your right, the way it is explained is confusing. I think the idea is that when you know you will not have access, such as prior to boarding a plane, you would download what you wanted into your device from the cloud.
Why can't they just keep a list of all purchases from iTunes like music, videos, apps, etc. and then just backup (sync) data, photos, email, etc. from the iDevice. They would then keep a list of what purchased items you keep on your device and they could restore a device by reloading the purchased items from itunes and the data from the backup. That way all you need to sync is the changes to data, photos, emails, etc. and not store the iFart app 10 million times in 10 million different users sync files.
That is how it works with App Store apps, with Dropbox, with Time Machine and many other modern storage systems.
I'm not sure what all of the complaints are against MM. The server farm is going to be built and MM updates are not long coming as this article points out. As it stands now, I wouldn't go without it.
I mean, find my iphone, mail, Calender, contacts, bookmarks synch and MM backup. They all work well for me. Drop box isn't that impressive compared to MM. Do the naysayers have or ever had a MM account?
The biggest stop gap is the bandwidth issue. If we expect to backup all of our stuff forget it. I mean at least for me. Synching the current stuff I'm working on is great, but everything? Further I notice significant performance improvement on better internet service.
Finally, you can stream your music and videos from idisk. You better have a decent connection, but it works fine.
Just my opinion.
I agree, I love Mobile Me. My dream would be to have all my music and videos, and other data stored in the cloud. Then I could purchase as much as I wanted without taking up hard drive space on my computer. I would then download what I wanted into my various devices and have the ability to stream the rest as well. Without this ability the new apple tv is not that exciting because I still have to store everything on my laptop in order to stream to my apple tv. Having an improved ability to store in the cloud would make both the iphone and ipad more useful. No need to worry about storage space on your individual device. Download what you need and the stream the rest.
I mean, find my iphone, mail, Calender, contacts, bookmarks synch and MM backup. They all work well for me. Drop box isn't that impressive compared to MM. Do the naysayers have or ever had a MM account?
What you are referring to is very different from what Dropbox offers. Any mention I make to MobileMe and Dropbox is really a comparison to iDisk and Dropbox as those are the two comparable services.
I use both. I use MobileMe for my push email, backups of all my important data, and Find My iPhone. For the money it?s worth the $80/year I pay for the Family Pack. But for file storage and sharing I don?t use iDisk, I use Dropbox. It?s better in every single way. I love that if a file is already on their servers it won?t re-upload it, but will say it?s done almost instantly after it checks the file, even if I have changed the name of the file.
What you are referring to is very different from what Dropbox offers. Any mention I make to MobileMe and Dropbox is really a comparison to iDisk and Dropbox as those are the two comparable services.
I use both. I use MobileMe for my push email, backups of all my important data, and Find My iPhone. For the money it?s worth the $80/year I pay for the Family Pack. But for file storage and sharing I don?t use iDisk, I use Dropbox. It?s better in every single way. I love that if a file is already on their servers it won?t re-upload it, but will say it?s done almost instantly after it checks the file, even if I have changed the name of the file.
Now that is the kind of response I like seeing. The whole naming scheme feature sounds great.I have a friend that was looking for a system that would support it. I'll let him know.
I agree, I love Mobile Me. My dream would be to have all my music and videos, and other data stored in the cloud. Then I could purchase as much as I wanted without taking up hard drive space on my computer. I would then download what I wanted into my various devices and have the ability to stream the rest as well. Without this ability the new apple tv is not that exciting because I still have to store everything on my laptop in order to stream to my apple tv. Having an improved ability to store in the cloud would make both the iphone and ipad more useful. No need to worry about storage space on your individual device. Download what you need and the stream the rest.
Yeah, I hope and think this is coming. It would be a huge disappointment if it didn't
Memo to Apple: Just buy Dropbox, and be done with it.
Dropbox is only 90% of the way there--and we're not playing horseshoes or handgrenades. Dropbox data are encrypted during transmission and in the cloud, but Dropbox possesses the keys. Data are more secure if users (and only users) possess the keys.
What you are referring to is very different from what Dropbox offers. Any mention I make to MobileMe and Dropbox is really a comparison to iDisk and Dropbox as those are the two comparable services.
I use both. I use MobileMe for my push email, backups of all my important data, and Find My iPhone. For the money it?s worth the $80/year I pay for the Family Pack. But for file storage and sharing I don?t use iDisk, I use Dropbox. It?s better in every single way. I love that if a file is already on their servers it won?t re-upload it, but will say it?s done almost instantly after it checks the file, even if I have changed the name of the file.
I am looking into DropBox as I type. ... thanks for the tip.
BTW. Don't you suspect this is pretty much what Apple may be coming out with soon?
I am looking into DropBox as I type. ... thanks for the tip.
BTW. Don't you suspect this is pretty much what Apple may be coming out with soon?
I sure hope so because it?s world ahead of iDisk and benefits both Apple and the consumer to use this type of intelligent storage.
Why can't they just keep a list of all purchases from iTunes like music, videos, apps, etc. and then just backup (sync) data, photos, email, etc. from the iDevice. They would then keep a list of what purchased items you keep on your device and they could restore a device by reloading the purchased items from itunes and the data from the backup. That way all you need to sync is the changes to data, photos, emails, etc. and not store the iFart app 10 million times in 10 million different users sync files.
That's what hardlinks are for and Time Machine already does that on a local network. It's a small evolutionary step to do that at a datacenter level once you have a datacenter. To take it another step further, file MD5s can be used to do the same thing for standard application files across any app. Then most users just need positive private storage of their unique files.
Dropbox is only 90% of the way there--and we're not playing horseshoes or handgrenades. Dropbox data are encrypted during transmission and in the cloud, but Dropbox possesses the keys. Data are more secure if users (and only users) possess the keys.
Of course it's only part way there. Just as SoundJam was before Apple bought it and made it iTunes. Changed the music landscape forever, didn't it?
I'll bet you this: Some big tech company will buy out DB very soon. It'll be gone. (Look, for instance, at the ridiculous sums of money being recently thrown around by companies like Dell and HP for start-ups with 'cloud' skills). In the meantime, Apple will be still noodling around with its sub-par MM. If, after this many years, MM is still where it is, I don't hold out much hope for it.
Of course [DropBox is] only part way there. Just as SoundJam was before Apple bought it and made it iTunes. Changed the music landscape forever, didn't it?
You're missing the point: the public is far too complacent and lax with their trust of cloud computing and storage services. IMHO this stems largely out of the public's ignorance and a mass hysteria towards using the latest, coolest things. But if we, the people, don't wise up and stand up for our privacy, the corporations and criminals will walk right over us.
You're missing the point: the public is far too complacent and lax with their trust of cloud computing and storage services. IMHO this stems largely out of the public's ignorance and a mass hysteria towards using the latest, coolest things. But if we, the people, don't wise up and stand up for our privacy, the corporations and criminals will walk right over us.
The things I put on the cloud have little or nothing to do with 'privacy.' Large parts of my life -- indeed, all our lives -- is far from private.
If yours is not, well, you must work for the .....
Memo to Apple: Just buy Dropbox, and be done with it.
My sentiments with one critical caveat. One of the strengths of Dropbox is that is runs marvelously on virtually every platform, mobile or desktop. It's hard to image Apple devoting the same attention to the Droid app that they devote to one for an iPhone.
A much better idea might be to build support for Dropbox (and for fairness sake, similar services) into the Mac OS and iOS. They do that with Google, despite the competition between the two. They could certainly manage to do so with a small and specialized outfit like Dropbox. And they might also buy non-exclusive rights to Dropbox code, so what they're doing 'in the cloud' works as well.
And while Apple is doing that, they might work with Dropbox programmers so OS X and Dropbox can deal with OS X's package folders without occasional glitches. That's the only thing keeping many otherwise happy Scrivener users from storing their Scrivener projects (typically books) in Dropbox.
Fortunately, the 2.0 version of Scrivener, due out in late October, will partially get around that by allowing writers to check out chapters of their book to be worked on with any text application and device that works with Dropbox, including iPhones and the just-out PlainText app.
With the volume of clients they have they need one hell of a data center link to insane telecom lines. This is why they are building one and cant offer this until this is done.
I hope a US data centre works well in Australia and other places around the world!
If the net isn't available how do I sync over the net?
I _think_ they're talking about something I've been wanting for a while.
Your data is saved locally (like a regular synced iPhone), and when it gets an internet connection it syncs. At this time, there is a pre-made list of items ready to sync which it has predicted you'll want access to (I guess each side knows what has changed too?). There is also the facility to request what you want synced manually. And thirdly there are "savvy" apps which can get data straight from the cloud without the syncing.
There's lots that could be done with this model, it'll be really interesting to watch.
The things I put on the cloud have little or nothing to do with 'privacy.' Large parts of my life -- indeed, all our lives -- is far from private.
If yours is not, well, you must work for the .....
The CEO of Apple?
I have no intention of revealing my business dealings and family matters to just anyone.
But please feel free to prostrate yourself on the alter of money-grubbing entrepreneurs who could give a crap about our privacy. Just because you don't see how it could be any other way doesn't mean the rest of us have to settle for the status quo.
http://www.techspot.com/news/40280-g...r-privacy.html