I think the pair would suit each other. Heart warming in a way. It's like two school retards finally hitting it off in later life, then getting married (then dropping stone dead during the honeymoon).
I see drift, but I sure as hell don't see sinkin'. Look outside your consumer electronics, cool OS blinders.....
MS: Yeah, plenty of chinks in the armor, especially in areas where the public sees, but all flesh wounds to the core business. No real competition to Office anywhere on the horizon. No chance of PC OS falling below 80% in the next decade and Win 7 is actually, while not my choice, much improved (all it had to be) and a hit. Solid solid server share in the Enterprise - all huge money. Outlook. Exchange. Hate 'em, but not going anywhere.
As for their peripheral businesses, Sync (in Fords) is at least a modest hit. Bing on Verizon (ironically on all their Androids). Do you know what each 1% share of search engine queries is worth? Hint - billions. Haven't heard much distress out of the X-Box camp and many gamers are choosing it as their set-top box.
Not nearly as dead in the phone market as people think based on the Win 7 mobile buzz. And the RSP market (really smart phones) is hardly mature. Not too late for a huge company with enterprise backing to muscle in - and while many say it's down to a replay of Win v. Mac with iOS v Android, with net standards and the cellcos themselves in the mix, the market may not compress to one huge and one boutique player this time. There could be three viable major players (APPL, GOOG and MS) with staying power plus other niches, e.g., HP/Palm, Intel/Nokia, etc. around for a long time.
IE 9 is supposed to stanch the browser share loss based on, again, good pre-reviews. New version of Mac Office just coming out. And while the Live stable's buzzless, there's big cloud infrastructure being assembled nonetheless.
Revenues up. Profits up. R&D actually showing signs of gelling. Where's the sink?
Adobe is not in as strong a position as MS - the Flash wars do aim closer to its core - and has a much smaller market cap than either MS or Apple, but also has a number of iconic products that have led to sales increases for 9 out of 10 years (through 2009), and most of which are not under serious assault. I could go on about Adobe, but the point is clear:
Apple's in great, but not unassailable shape. MS often looks clumsy and dances like a drunken elephant, but has lots of deep pockets, entrenched market positions, talented staff and is hardly an epic fail. And lots of you are likely cueing up to buy either Photoshop or the new Mac Photoshop Elements.
Still, all that being said, it's still hard to really grok what probable and important synergies a merger would have for either MS or A. Remember the story talked about joint ventures as another possibility. And given the extended and painful federal (and EEC?) scrutiny a merger would cause, and in the wake of the MS/Yahoo stand-off which ended with such a strategic partnership, my two cents is that this route would be more likely.
I sure hope Steve has a Photoshop replacement waiting in the wings because killing off the Mac version of all there software would be Ballmer's first directive.
I've been a Apple user since 1989 and I love my Mac but I need the creative suite to get my work done. If they merged, I would have to look into buying a PC as sad as that makes me. Damn, I hope this doesn't happen.
I guess an alternative would be to go buy the fastest mac I could afford and the latest version of the Creative Suite and see if I could wait out this tragedy until something changed. That should at least get me two years before I would have to make another hardware decision. It's like battening the hatches before the storm.
It wouldn't make sense for MS to kill CS for Mac... they are putting a lot of resources into Office for Mac... I think if MS is after Adobe, it is to try come up with a compelling App store alternative... something based on Flash technology so they can get lots of crappy apps built fast. MS is neglecting the fundamentals of development (hardware, os, software) because they've screwed the pooch on all 3 levels and need to buy their way back into the game.
Adobe don't need to merge with anyone to solve the Flash on iPhone issue, there is a purely technical solution, namely making their products generate HTML5/JS/CSS code.
The meetings were said to last over an hour, and the subject of Apple was one of the main talking points.
If this meeting lasted just over an hour - that means they basically got to say hello, exchange business cards and sit down, have a short formal introduction of who is present, and have a basic exchange of standpoints, a couple of replies and then have Steve Ballmer launch the contents of his intestines at Apple for about 20 minutes straight - and that's it. An hour is a very short time.
I think such a merge would become the formal death of Adobe. Employees quitting and starting new, small companies - creating competing (better) products from scratch.
If anything, the purpose of this meeting alone - and its leaks - appears to me just to send shivers down the industry - and a way for Microsoft to demonstrate that they are still the boss.
A 5 gig Illustrator file? What the heck are you doing?
Actually I am mocking up a magazine and website into "boards" for a client.. I use illustrator as its faster for me to edit than indesign and I can layout multiple size art boards. Lots and lots of eps and images....
How can it be called a blockade if Adobe doesn't even have a full Flash for iOS to be released?
yes they do.
Anyway, this is likely the biggest blunder adobe could possibly pull. There's no way they'd be stupid enough to hitch up with the titanic. Adobe's strategy, which seems to be working, is to partner with everyone else.
Well Apple should buyout Adobe. I can't see Microsoft getting approval as it not only has the Expression Suite, silverlight/WMV, .Net, and IIS that overlap with CS, Flash, Adobe AIR, and ColdFusion. I'm pretty sure there are more areas of overlap that would create a bigger monopoly. Not to mention Microsoft would start the document war again by twisting Adobe document formats and breaking compatibility.
As far as alternatives to some of Adobes products these come to mind:
[QUOTE=z3r0;1729203]Well Apple should buyout Adobe. I can't see Microsoft getting approval as it not only has the Expression Suite, silverlight/WMV, .Net, and IIS that overlap with CS, Flash, Adobe AIR, and ColdFusion. I'm pretty sure there are more areas of overlap that would create a bigger monopoly. Not to mention Microsoft would start the document war again by twisting Adobe document formats and breaking compatibility.
As far as alternatives to some of Adobes products these come to mind:
- Freehand (instead of Illustrator) - if the government would have made them sell it off, (when purchasing MacroMedia) seeing it really was the only competition out there.
I'm NOT big on the government getting involved, but this is one time I wish they had.
In the short term such a merger would have no impact on Apple computing or mobile platforms.
I really can't see of any advantage for either of them to merge, how would such a merger help them compete with Apple?
Microsoft is trying to break into the mobile market with WinMo 7 to which Adobe can't add that much value while Adobe is a tools company which Microsoft already has lots of and hasn't demonstrated tons of desire to compete in.
So basically Microsoft is admitting they are incapable of challenging Apple's innovative forward momentum and their continued success in their products. It boils down to them trying to merge with other companies that are equally inept at innovation or vision to achieve what exactly?
Maybe Ballmer should just liquidate its assets and give it back to their shareholders
I'm personally eager awaiting monday 11 October 2010 to see how much air this new windows phone 7 will suck out of Apple and Google's Android market success. Its going to be bittersweet to see if this goes the way of the kin
Well Apple should buyout Adobe. I can't see Microsoft getting approval as it not only has the Expression Suite, silverlight/WMV, .Net, and IIS that overlap with CS, Flash, Adobe AIR, and ColdFusion. I'm pretty sure there are more areas of overlap that would create a bigger monopoly. Not to mention Microsoft would start the document war again by twisting Adobe document formats and breaking compatibility.
As far as alternatives to some of Adobes products these come to mind:
- Freehand (instead of Illustrator) - if the government would have made them sell it off, (when purchasing MacroMedia) seeing it really was the only competition out there.
I'm NOT big on the government getting involved, but this is one time I wish they had.
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merger of 2 sinking ships = EPIC FAIL
I think the pair would suit each other. Heart warming in a way. It's like two school retards finally hitting it off in later life, then getting married (then dropping stone dead during the honeymoon).
I see drift, but I sure as hell don't see sinkin'. Look outside your consumer electronics, cool OS blinders.....
MS: Yeah, plenty of chinks in the armor, especially in areas where the public sees, but all flesh wounds to the core business. No real competition to Office anywhere on the horizon. No chance of PC OS falling below 80% in the next decade and Win 7 is actually, while not my choice, much improved (all it had to be) and a hit. Solid solid server share in the Enterprise - all huge money. Outlook. Exchange. Hate 'em, but not going anywhere.
As for their peripheral businesses, Sync (in Fords) is at least a modest hit. Bing on Verizon (ironically on all their Androids). Do you know what each 1% share of search engine queries is worth? Hint - billions. Haven't heard much distress out of the X-Box camp and many gamers are choosing it as their set-top box.
Not nearly as dead in the phone market as people think based on the Win 7 mobile buzz. And the RSP market (really smart phones) is hardly mature. Not too late for a huge company with enterprise backing to muscle in - and while many say it's down to a replay of Win v. Mac with iOS v Android, with net standards and the cellcos themselves in the mix, the market may not compress to one huge and one boutique player this time. There could be three viable major players (APPL, GOOG and MS) with staying power plus other niches, e.g., HP/Palm, Intel/Nokia, etc. around for a long time.
IE 9 is supposed to stanch the browser share loss based on, again, good pre-reviews. New version of Mac Office just coming out. And while the Live stable's buzzless, there's big cloud infrastructure being assembled nonetheless.
Revenues up. Profits up. R&D actually showing signs of gelling. Where's the sink?
Adobe is not in as strong a position as MS - the Flash wars do aim closer to its core - and has a much smaller market cap than either MS or Apple, but also has a number of iconic products that have led to sales increases for 9 out of 10 years (through 2009), and most of which are not under serious assault. I could go on about Adobe, but the point is clear:
Apple's in great, but not unassailable shape. MS often looks clumsy and dances like a drunken elephant, but has lots of deep pockets, entrenched market positions, talented staff and is hardly an epic fail. And lots of you are likely cueing up to buy either Photoshop or the new Mac Photoshop Elements.
Still, all that being said, it's still hard to really grok what probable and important synergies a merger would have for either MS or A. Remember the story talked about joint ventures as another possibility. And given the extended and painful federal (and EEC?) scrutiny a merger would cause, and in the wake of the MS/Yahoo stand-off which ended with such a strategic partnership, my two cents is that this route would be more likely.
...to discuss a number of topics, including a ..... even a merger
I think i'm going to be sick!!!!
I've been a Apple user since 1989 and I love my Mac but I need the creative suite to get my work done. If they merged, I would have to look into buying a PC as sad as that makes me. Damn, I hope this doesn't happen.
I guess an alternative would be to go buy the fastest mac I could afford and the latest version of the Creative Suite and see if I could wait out this tragedy until something changed. That should at least get me two years before I would have to make another hardware decision. It's like battening the hatches before the storm.
It wouldn't make sense for MS to kill CS for Mac... they are putting a lot of resources into Office for Mac... I think if MS is after Adobe, it is to try come up with a compelling App store alternative... something based on Flash technology so they can get lots of crappy apps built fast. MS is neglecting the fundamentals of development (hardware, os, software) because they've screwed the pooch on all 3 levels and need to buy their way back into the game.
This is all about the mobile space...
The meetings were said to last over an hour, and the subject of Apple was one of the main talking points.
If this meeting lasted just over an hour - that means they basically got to say hello, exchange business cards and sit down, have a short formal introduction of who is present, and have a basic exchange of standpoints, a couple of replies and then have Steve Ballmer launch the contents of his intestines at Apple for about 20 minutes straight - and that's it. An hour is a very short time.
I think such a merge would become the formal death of Adobe. Employees quitting and starting new, small companies - creating competing (better) products from scratch.
If anything, the purpose of this meeting alone - and its leaks - appears to me just to send shivers down the industry - and a way for Microsoft to demonstrate that they are still the boss.
A 5 gig Illustrator file? What the heck are you doing?
Actually I am mocking up a magazine and website into "boards" for a client.. I use illustrator as its faster for me to edit than indesign and I can layout multiple size art boards. Lots and lots of eps and images....
How can it be called a blockade if Adobe doesn't even have a full Flash for iOS to be released?
yes they do.
Anyway, this is likely the biggest blunder adobe could possibly pull. There's no way they'd be stupid enough to hitch up with the titanic. Adobe's strategy, which seems to be working, is to partner with everyone else.
Jesus Christ. This is why Apple should have bought Adobe years ago.
Agree!
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As far as alternatives to some of Adobes products these come to mind:
ACD Canvas 11 (Photoshop/Illustrator)
Autodesk SketchBook Pro (Photoshop)
Inkscape (Illustrator)
Scribus (Indesign)
Panic Coda (Dreamweaver)
Pixelmator (Photoshop)
Eclipse (Flex/Flashbuilder)
Titanium Appcelerator (AIR)
Nuke, Shake, ehh Motion (After Effects)
Final Cut Pro (Premiere)
Soundtrack Pro (Soundbooth/Audition)
DVD Studio Pro (Encore)
EditShare LightWorks (Premiere)
As far as alternatives to some of Adobes products these come to mind:
- Freehand (instead of Illustrator) - if the government would have made them sell it off, (when purchasing MacroMedia) seeing it really was the only competition out there.
I'm NOT big on the government getting involved, but this is one time I wish they had.
In the short term such a merger would have no impact on Apple computing or mobile platforms.
I really can't see of any advantage for either of them to merge, how would such a merger help them compete with Apple?
Microsoft is trying to break into the mobile market with WinMo 7 to which Adobe can't add that much value while Adobe is a tools company which Microsoft already has lots of and hasn't demonstrated tons of desire to compete in.
Just thinking out loud.
Maybe Ballmer should just liquidate its assets and give it back to their shareholders
Freeverse LineForm might be another option though its pretty basic: http://www.freeverse.com/mac/product/?id=6020
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Well Apple should buyout Adobe. I can't see Microsoft getting approval as it not only has the Expression Suite, silverlight/WMV, .Net, and IIS that overlap with CS, Flash, Adobe AIR, and ColdFusion. I'm pretty sure there are more areas of overlap that would create a bigger monopoly. Not to mention Microsoft would start the document war again by twisting Adobe document formats and breaking compatibility.
As far as alternatives to some of Adobes products these come to mind:
- Freehand (instead of Illustrator) - if the government would have made them sell it off, (when purchasing MacroMedia) seeing it really was the only competition out there.
I'm NOT big on the government getting involved, but this is one time I wish they had.
Everybody who thinks that Apple should buy Adobe ought to take a look at their earnings over the last three years. That should sober you up.
Point well taken.