Millions of people want crack and heroine too. Doesn't mean it's good.
Heck, millions of people want Windows computers...Not saying much.
ha, so so so narrow minded. Millions if not billions of people NEED windows computers, take enterprise - a mac is crap there, just a silver toy. And did you really just compare flash to crack and heroine? REALLY?
I think #2 is much more likely, Adobe has either lost the talent to code Flash for mobile, or the codebase is such a convoluted pile of nonsense that it's almost impossible to streamline. Since Flash came from Macromedia, I think its a very safe bet that it barely works now on the desktop.
There is also a #3, having to do with hardware acceleration and APIs.
Positing a limited number of choices, manufactured in one's imagination, and then picking one rarely gives a correct answer.
No, that's not true. You really don't get it, do you? There is HUGE demand for video on iOS. Nobody gives a shit whether or not it's in Flash, they just want to watch the video. And they don't want to lose 1/2 their battery life every time they watch a 5 minute clip either, which is prone to happen on a mobile device with Flash.
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I think that the number of downloads of an app which does nothing except allows Flash Videos to work is an indication of demand for Flash video.
You might arrive at the conclusion that it indicates an undifferentiated demand for video, bit given taht the app is specifically for Flash Video, and NOT for video in general, I'm not sure how your conclusion follows.
AppleInsider's original article on Skyfire listed that it would go on sale Thursday (today) @ 9 AM EST. I had an alarm set on my phone and everything to download it! What gives! So it really went on sale yesterday on Wednesday? I don't really ened Flash, but I am one of those people that want my phone fully enabled to do anything should I need it. It just bothers me that it went on sale a day earlier than projected and I missed it...
Millions of people want crack and heroine too. Doesn't mean it's good.
Heck, millions of people want Windows computers...Not saying much.
The only thing that connects Windows, Crack and Heroin to Flash Video is demand.
But to connect them at all implies that Flash is something that ruins one's life, has no real value, etc.
One could just as well have said that in the 1930's millions of Germans wanted to exterminate the Jews. It would have been the exact same point, but much more spectacular. And no more or less invalid.
Skyfire is taking flash video from the web and transcoding it live on their servers into a format the iPhone can read (mp4). All your browsing within their app is going thru their servers (at least for the video), which means A) they are going to have to have server farms and processing power the likes of YouTube to handle the traffic, and this third party developer has access to your viewing habits.... and I'm sure people are just going to love their porn footprints left on some server.... or any web viewing for that matter.
Apple let this one through because it doesn't decode flash itself... its being handled in the cloud.
Another thing is I wonder what every web site that has its content repurposed for this application feels about this scenario.
Is there a reason you?d post two links that have nothing to do with my comment and then fail to comment yourself?
Sure. You asked "why don't I see Android browser apps that convert HTML5 to Flash" and I answered that a) there is such thing around but b) there is no real need for such with the advent of Android 2.2. Am I misunderstanding something?
Sure. You asked "why don't I see Android browser apps that convert HTML5 to Flash" and I answered that a) there is such thing around but b) there is no real need for such with the advent of Android 2.2. Am I misunderstanding something?
That?s Skfire and Flash for Android. The former converts ?Flash to HTML5?, the latter just displays Flash content. I was making an offhand joke about converting "HTML5 to Flash? since I keep hearing how much more efficient Flash is than HTML5.
ha, so so so narrow minded. Millions if not billions of people NEED windows computers, take enterprise - a mac is crap there, just a silver toy. And did you really just compare flash to crack and heroine? REALLY?
It's so tiresome to read that nonsense that Mac's can't cut it in the enterprise. Just like saying that enterprise demand RIM and Windows Mobile phones for "real" enterprise email, etc. Those days are over.
Apple laptops, iPhones and iPads are making it into the enterprise on a large scale since demand for Apple is driven top down and even by IT departments.
Heck, most of the system and network admins I know only use MB's/MBP's. Not just Linux and Cisco guys, but people administering 200 Dell servers using a Mac
Apple laptops, iPhones and iPads are making it into the enterprise on a large scale)
In the enterprise? On a large scale?
I've heard anecdotal stuff, but nothing more. Where do you get your information? From what I have heard, apple dismisses the enterprise in favor of a consumer focus. And now you say their enterprise sales are making it big?
Skyfire... not really worth it just to get a few more clickable Flash ads, IMO.
Pretty sure ads dont display on Skyfire... but then again i havent touched Skyfire since Froyo became available for my device as there is no need for it.
Skyfire is definitely a lovely option for those devices that cant do native flash. I saw it running on one of those prepaid Samsung Intercepts and it ran quite well
It looks like there is HUGE demand for Flash video on iOS devices. The developer thought that there was, or it would not have developed the app. But not even the developer anticipated the enormity of the demand for Flash Video on iDevices.
I wonder if Apple will change in any manner given this information.
Your way with logic gives me a chuckle. You know that there is a "HUGE demand" because you know what their operating capacity is, right? You know that they were postured to handle 22 million people and that turned out to be not enough, right?
This afternoon when I tried it it was about 10-15 seconds to get a video to start.. About 10 minutes ago the video wasn't loading at all.. Their servers are getting killed.
Overall though, I feel kinda ripped off. Bought it on a impulse.. and to be honest it's not the best experience. The browser itself is ok, but a bit sluggish compared to safari. Waiting for stuff to load on another server side is almost annoying enough to not deal with it.. And, more annoying, since it streams live, you cannot fast forward through any clips. I guess it will be nice to have every now and again if I really want to see a flash clip but for the most part its nothing special.
Killed is the word, and it isn't just the massive numbers of downloaders and app users that's causing this - remember that the Skyfire servers have to scale the enterprise of converting the hideous blobs (Binary Large OBjects) of bundled Flash runtime, media, DRM etc into HTML5 before servicing these myriad requests. A double whammy if you ask me.
It still remains to be seen how this will convert "on-mouse-over" "hover" and similar flash UI input events into gestures so that users can create avatars for social networking, play traditional keyboard and mouse games on touch-screens etc etc
After the politics and the melodrama die down, the hard science questions will need to be answered, not by Apple, or by Skyfire but by - you guessed it - Adobe boffins.
Problem is they should have been working this out in R&D at least 5 years ago - too little, too late, that's what I say...
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Millions of people want crack and heroine too. Doesn't mean it's good.
Heck, millions of people want Windows computers...Not saying much.
ha, so so so narrow minded. Millions if not billions of people NEED windows computers, take enterprise - a mac is crap there, just a silver toy. And did you really just compare flash to crack and heroine? REALLY?
PS: Why don?t I see Android browser apps that convert HTML5 to Flash since I keep hearing how much more efficient and great Flash is on Android?
It would be unnecessary.
The question is not "more efficient" or less, the question is yes/no.
And Android does yes/yes, so there is no need for any kludgey bullshit, like there is on iOS.
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I think #2 is much more likely, Adobe has either lost the talent to code Flash for mobile, or the codebase is such a convoluted pile of nonsense that it's almost impossible to streamline. Since Flash came from Macromedia, I think its a very safe bet that it barely works now on the desktop.
There is also a #3, having to do with hardware acceleration and APIs.
Positing a limited number of choices, manufactured in one's imagination, and then picking one rarely gives a correct answer.
No, that's not true. You really don't get it, do you? There is HUGE demand for video on iOS. Nobody gives a shit whether or not it's in Flash, they just want to watch the video. And they don't want to lose 1/2 their battery life every time they watch a 5 minute clip either, which is prone to happen on a mobile device with Flash.
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I think that the number of downloads of an app which does nothing except allows Flash Videos to work is an indication of demand for Flash video.
You might arrive at the conclusion that it indicates an undifferentiated demand for video, bit given taht the app is specifically for Flash Video, and NOT for video in general, I'm not sure how your conclusion follows.
Millions of people want crack and heroine too. Doesn't mean it's good.
Heck, millions of people want Windows computers...Not saying much.
The only thing that connects Windows, Crack and Heroin to Flash Video is demand.
But to connect them at all implies that Flash is something that ruins one's life, has no real value, etc.
One could just as well have said that in the 1930's millions of Germans wanted to exterminate the Jews. It would have been the exact same point, but much more spectacular. And no more or less invalid.
Apple let this one through because it doesn't decode flash itself... its being handled in the cloud.
Another thing is I wonder what every web site that has its content repurposed for this application feels about this scenario.
Millions of people want crack and heroine too. Doesn't mean it's good.
Heck, millions of people want Windows computers...Not saying much.
You're right, you aren't saying much.
PS: Why don?t I see Android browser apps that convert HTML5 to Flash since I keep hearing how much more efficient and great Flash is on Android?
http://www.skyfire.com/product/android/
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/860/cpsid_86018.html
http://www.skyfire.com/product/android/
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/860/cpsid_86018.html
Is there a reason you?d post two links that have nothing to do with my comment and then fail to comment yourself?
Is there a reason you?d post two links that have nothing to do with my comment and then fail to comment yourself?
Sure. You asked "why don't I see Android browser apps that convert HTML5 to Flash" and I answered that a) there is such thing around but b) there is no real need for such with the advent of Android 2.2. Am I misunderstanding something?
Sure. You asked "why don't I see Android browser apps that convert HTML5 to Flash" and I answered that a) there is such thing around but b) there is no real need for such with the advent of Android 2.2. Am I misunderstanding something?
That?s Skfire and Flash for Android. The former converts ?Flash to HTML5?, the latter just displays Flash content. I was making an offhand joke about converting "HTML5 to Flash? since I keep hearing how much more efficient Flash is than HTML5.
ha, so so so narrow minded. Millions if not billions of people NEED windows computers, take enterprise - a mac is crap there, just a silver toy. And did you really just compare flash to crack and heroine? REALLY?
It's so tiresome to read that nonsense that Mac's can't cut it in the enterprise. Just like saying that enterprise demand RIM and Windows Mobile phones for "real" enterprise email, etc. Those days are over.
Apple laptops, iPhones and iPads are making it into the enterprise on a large scale since demand for Apple is driven top down and even by IT departments.
Heck, most of the system and network admins I know only use MB's/MBP's. Not just Linux and Cisco guys, but people administering 200 Dell servers using a Mac
I keep hearing how much more efficient Flash is than HTML5.
Where the heck are you hearing that? You "keep hearing" it? Repeatedly?
Are these reviews you hear it in? Where?
Apple laptops, iPhones and iPads are making it into the enterprise on a large scale)
In the enterprise? On a large scale?
I've heard anecdotal stuff, but nothing more. Where do you get your information? From what I have heard, apple dismisses the enterprise in favor of a consumer focus. And now you say their enterprise sales are making it big?
Do tell.
Skyfire... not really worth it just to get a few more clickable Flash ads, IMO.
Pretty sure ads dont display on Skyfire... but then again i havent touched Skyfire since Froyo became available for my device as there is no need for it.
Skyfire is definitely a lovely option for those devices that cant do native flash. I saw it running on one of those prepaid Samsung Intercepts and it ran quite well
It looks like there is HUGE demand for Flash video on iOS devices. The developer thought that there was, or it would not have developed the app. But not even the developer anticipated the enormity of the demand for Flash Video on iDevices.
I wonder if Apple will change in any manner given this information.
Your way with logic gives me a chuckle. You know that there is a "HUGE demand" because you know what their operating capacity is, right? You know that they were postured to handle 22 million people and that turned out to be not enough, right?
This afternoon when I tried it it was about 10-15 seconds to get a video to start.. About 10 minutes ago the video wasn't loading at all.. Their servers are getting killed.
Overall though, I feel kinda ripped off. Bought it on a impulse.. and to be honest it's not the best experience. The browser itself is ok, but a bit sluggish compared to safari. Waiting for stuff to load on another server side is almost annoying enough to not deal with it.. And, more annoying, since it streams live, you cannot fast forward through any clips. I guess it will be nice to have every now and again if I really want to see a flash clip but for the most part its nothing special.
Killed is the word, and it isn't just the massive numbers of downloaders and app users that's causing this - remember that the Skyfire servers have to scale the enterprise of converting the hideous blobs (Binary Large OBjects) of bundled Flash runtime, media, DRM etc into HTML5 before servicing these myriad requests. A double whammy if you ask me.
It still remains to be seen how this will convert "on-mouse-over" "hover" and similar flash UI input events into gestures so that users can create avatars for social networking, play traditional keyboard and mouse games on touch-screens etc etc
After the politics and the melodrama die down, the hard science questions will need to be answered, not by Apple, or by Skyfire but by - you guessed it - Adobe boffins.
Problem is they should have been working this out in R&D at least 5 years ago - too little, too late, that's what I say...