Just seen the video at All things D. Google maps looks ok in 3D but the mail program is a complete rip off from the iPad. Looks like they are going to implement the same type of api's Apple are using to allow the same app to run on phones and tablets..
You may have been misinformed, as Let's Golf on my Galaxy Tab running Android 2.2/Froyo is some 101MB (on the device not the microSDHC card).
The limit apples to download size of 25MB from Marketplace, so while something can easily unpack to a larger size after installation, you won't get things like Rage HD which are 1.4GBs after installation.
That's not to say you can't get larger apps from other sources, just not Marketplace.
Old hardware, I guess that explains why the 1GHz Snapdragon equipped SonyEricsson Experia X10, I was using last week only just received an update from Donut to Eclair, funny thing is Angry Birds was available when it was running 1.6 but disappeared and became unavailable after the 2.1 update, I guess that's fragmentation for you.
I don't know how you can use devices restricted to Verizon's very slow, by HSDPA/HSUPA standards, CDMA Rev A 3G network.
He does try to paint Apple and iPhone as being shitty, and i don’t know why. Having 3 full years of rich updates that you know will come each summer along with other iOS-based iDevices is nice for consumers.
Then there is having a feature for sake of having it v. having a feature that works well. Here is an example from AnandTech.
Why are the Droids about half the 802.11n speeds of the iPhone 4? Why is 802.11g on the iPhone 4 and 3GS beating out Android-based phones running 802.11n? And what the hell is up with the Dell Streak at the bottom?
The user that can’t look past a spec sheet would look at each device and say “they each ave 802.11n, so they are exactly same” but the big picture user wants to know how well these seemingly identical features work and ask how the variances affect their usability. Since it does seem like DaHarder buys these products I wish he’d be more open about trying them out instead of pigeonholing them good or bad based on spec sheet, or worse a proper noun attached to them.
They've never said that about their current OS, in fact they've specifically said the opposite.
What's of interest is that future Android releases are targeted at tablets at all, and there is no sign of Chrome OS.
One has to wonder if Chrome was Google's great plan to dominate the Netbook market that has now been strangled by iPad and will be quietly forgotten or if they still have plans for it?
He does try to paint Apple and iPhone as being shitty, and i don’t know why. Having 3 full years of rich updates that you know will come each summer along with other iOS-based iDevices is nice for consumers.
Then there is having a feature for sake of having it v. having a feature that works well. Here is an example from AnandTech.
Why are the Droids about half the 802.11n speeds of the iPhone 4? Why is 802.11g on the iPhone 4 and 3GS beating out Android-based phones running 802.11n? And what the hell is up with the Dell Streak at the bottom?
The user that can’t look past a spec sheet would look at each device and say “they each ave 802.11n, so they are exactly same” but the big picture user wants to know how well these seemingly identical features work and ask how the variances affect their usability. Since it does seem like DaHarder buys these products I wish he’d be more open about trying them out instead of pigeonholing them good or bad based on spec sheet, or worse a proper noun attached to them.
Sheesh! Those figures are staggeringly different.
Perhaps 802.11n status affirmation should also be based on minimum attained results not just protocol in spec sheets.
One has to wonder if Chrome was Google's great plan to dominate the Netbook market that has now been strangled by iPad and will be quietly forgotten or if they still have plans for it?
They had said they planned to use Chrome OS for netbooks, but I always saw the mass of the world benefiting from a small, cheap device being able to be connected to a TV or old CRT monitor for the more impoverished nations. I can see local ISPs, even if they are just dial up, offering a closed system with an Atom CPU, 8GB NAND, and a couple simple ports that they can lease or sell to their customers. Since Google gets paid for eyeballs and the cost of added new eyeballs is minimal. Even considering the lower profit per country there is still a lot Google could do to set itself up for the future in ways that Apple or MS can.
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Sheesh! Those figures are staggeringly different.
Perhaps 802.11n status affirmation should also be based on minimum attained results not just protocol in spec sheets.
They are, and they may surpass the iPhone 4 and iPad with Android 2.3 on the new Nexus S since Google cares more about this device than others so it might be more concerned about making sure the vendor makes good drivers, but we’ll have to wait and see. I implore DaHarder to do some unbiased testing between all the devices he gets.
PS: You also have to wonder why 802.11n is only about 5Mbps higher than 802.11g on the iPhone 4. Is that all it can process on an ≈800MHz Cortex-A8, is it a limitation with the speed of the NAND, the speed of the 802.11n chip for a mobile device (i.e.: some 802.11n is better than no 802.11n), and/or simply a driver issue?
Just seen the video at All things D. Google maps looks ok in 3D but the mail program is a complete rip off from the iPad. Looks like they are going to implement the same type of api's Apple are using to allow the same app to run on phones and tablets..
Google copied Apple shocker!
2 things:
The moto tablet doesn't have any button. Cute! But most Android phones have a couple of buttons. How the experience can be consistent?
Secondly, Rubin said backstage that Google could build online music store like iTunes 10 times over but the experience (compare to cloud-based) will not be right. I hope the reporter would ask him back "..just like GoogleTV?". The guy has no shame.
The moto tablet doesn't have any button. Cute! But most Android phones have a couple of buttons. How the experience can be consistent?
Having buttons also doesn?t mean consistency for Android-based phones. If couldn?t use an iPhone I?d go with a Windows Phone 7 device at this point. except for the lackluster JS engine in web browser WP7 is pretty nice.
The limit apples to download size of 25MB from Marketplace, so while something can easily unpack to a larger size after installation, you won't get things like Rage HD which are 1.4GBs after installation.
That's not to say you can't get larger apps from other sources, just not Marketplace.
It looks like there are no buttons in the physical sense (capacitive maybe?). There's a point where the camera's looking over Rubin's shoulder (roughly the 4:00 mark) and you can see what looks like four white icons glowing on the bottom left corner that doesn't look to be part of the screen. After a while, they stop glowing and the area goes dark. And right after, the screen itself dims.
This is much like how the buttons work on current Android phones (both physical or capacitive).
It looks like there are no buttons in the physical sense (capacitive maybe?). There's a point where the camera's looking over Rubin's shoulder (roughly the 4:00 mark) and you can see what looks like four white icons glowing on the bottom left corner that doesn't look to be part of the screen. After a while, they stop glowing and the area goes dark. And right after, the screen itself dims.
This is much like how the buttons work on current Android phones (both physical or capacitive).
Still not the same method. Look like they did it just for a sake of one-up Apple.
Having buttons also doesn?t mean consistency for Android-based phones. If couldn?t use an iPhone I?d go with a Windows Phone 7 device at this point. except for the lackluster JS engine in web browser WP7 is pretty nice.
Is that a fragmentation?
Btw, I don't have "much" problem with fragmentation. I wouldn't imagine myself replacing phone that often but I would be pissed if a main function of a phone and a tablet fragmented.
Btw, I don't have "much" problem with fragmentation. I wouldn't imagine myself replacing phone that often but I would be pissed if a main function of a phone and a tablet fragmented.
Yes and no. Yes in that it is different (I have no idea why) in placement. No in that it's always the same four buttons and they all do the same four functions (default) on every phone.
What would you do when you want to press a home button on a tablet?
Like I said, there seem to be four icons that are lit at the bottom of the screen. Which I would say are the same four buttons found on every Android device. Until we get a higher resolution shot of the Moto tablet, that's just my assumption.
So to answer your question, you would simply press the "Home" button.
I have an iPhone 4. I'm interested in getting an Android phone to replace my 4. However, I will never switch to an Android phone unless I can upgrade my Android OS like I can do with my iPhone. I think it is very poor form on Google's part to make me have to get a new phone to have the latest version of the Android OS. Just stupid.
Then you should get the Nexus S.. That is the one Android phone that is unbasterdized by the manufacturer and carriers and will be the first to get upgraded to the latest Android version.
I think the Nexus phone is the only Android phone you can truly compare side by side the iPhone. It's pure Android.
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Based on his previous posts, there are 3 members, so that makes 9.
Lets hope motorolli has many such customers, so that within a few months they can out do the iPad.
So much for Google trying to convince everyone that Android intended for tablets.
They've never said that about their current OS, in fact they've specifically said the opposite.
What's of interest is that future Android releases are targeted at tablets at all, and there is no sign of Chrome OS.
You may have been misinformed, as Let's Golf on my Galaxy Tab running Android 2.2/Froyo is some 101MB (on the device not the microSDHC card).
The limit apples to download size of 25MB from Marketplace, so while something can easily unpack to a larger size after installation, you won't get things like Rage HD which are 1.4GBs after installation.
That's not to say you can't get larger apps from other sources, just not Marketplace.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/11/post-8.ars
Old hardware, I guess that explains why the 1GHz Snapdragon equipped SonyEricsson Experia X10, I was using last week only just received an update from Donut to Eclair, funny thing is Angry Birds was available when it was running 1.6 but disappeared and became unavailable after the 2.1 update, I guess that's fragmentation for you.
I don't know how you can use devices restricted to Verizon's very slow, by HSDPA/HSUPA standards, CDMA Rev A 3G network.
He does try to paint Apple and iPhone as being shitty, and i don’t know why. Having 3 full years of rich updates that you know will come each summer along with other iOS-based iDevices is nice for consumers.
Then there is having a feature for sake of having it v. having a feature that works well. Here is an example from AnandTech.Why are the Droids about half the 802.11n speeds of the iPhone 4? Why is 802.11g on the iPhone 4 and 3GS beating out Android-based phones running 802.11n? And what the hell is up with the Dell Streak at the bottom?
The user that can’t look past a spec sheet would look at each device and say “they each ave 802.11n, so they are exactly same” but the big picture user wants to know how well these seemingly identical features work and ask how the variances affect their usability. Since it does seem like DaHarder buys these products I wish he’d be more open about trying them out instead of pigeonholing them good or bad based on spec sheet, or worse a proper noun attached to them.
They've never said that about their current OS, in fact they've specifically said the opposite.
What's of interest is that future Android releases are targeted at tablets at all, and there is no sign of Chrome OS.
One has to wonder if Chrome was Google's great plan to dominate the Netbook market that has now been strangled by iPad and will be quietly forgotten or if they still have plans for it?
He does try to paint Apple and iPhone as being shitty, and i don’t know why. Having 3 full years of rich updates that you know will come each summer along with other iOS-based iDevices is nice for consumers.
Then there is having a feature for sake of having it v. having a feature that works well. Here is an example from AnandTech.Why are the Droids about half the 802.11n speeds of the iPhone 4? Why is 802.11g on the iPhone 4 and 3GS beating out Android-based phones running 802.11n? And what the hell is up with the Dell Streak at the bottom?
The user that can’t look past a spec sheet would look at each device and say “they each ave 802.11n, so they are exactly same” but the big picture user wants to know how well these seemingly identical features work and ask how the variances affect their usability. Since it does seem like DaHarder buys these products I wish he’d be more open about trying them out instead of pigeonholing them good or bad based on spec sheet, or worse a proper noun attached to them.
Sheesh! Those figures are staggeringly different.
Perhaps 802.11n status affirmation should also be based on minimum attained results not just protocol in spec sheets.
One has to wonder if Chrome was Google's great plan to dominate the Netbook market that has now been strangled by iPad and will be quietly forgotten or if they still have plans for it?
They had said they planned to use Chrome OS for netbooks, but I always saw the mass of the world benefiting from a small, cheap device being able to be connected to a TV or old CRT monitor for the more impoverished nations. I can see local ISPs, even if they are just dial up, offering a closed system with an Atom CPU, 8GB NAND, and a couple simple ports that they can lease or sell to their customers. Since Google gets paid for eyeballs and the cost of added new eyeballs is minimal. Even considering the lower profit per country there is still a lot Google could do to set itself up for the future in ways that Apple or MS can.
Sheesh! Those figures are staggeringly different.
Perhaps 802.11n status affirmation should also be based on minimum attained results not just protocol in spec sheets.
They are, and they may surpass the iPhone 4 and iPad with Android 2.3 on the new Nexus S since Google cares more about this device than others so it might be more concerned about making sure the vendor makes good drivers, but we’ll have to wait and see. I implore DaHarder to do some unbiased testing between all the devices he gets.
PS: You also have to wonder why 802.11n is only about 5Mbps higher than 802.11g on the iPhone 4. Is that all it can process on an ≈800MHz Cortex-A8, is it a limitation with the speed of the NAND, the speed of the 802.11n chip for a mobile device (i.e.: some 802.11n is better than no 802.11n), and/or simply a driver issue?
Just seen the video at All things D. Google maps looks ok in 3D but the mail program is a complete rip off from the iPad. Looks like they are going to implement the same type of api's Apple are using to allow the same app to run on phones and tablets..
Google copied Apple shocker!
2 things:
The moto tablet doesn't have any button. Cute! But most Android phones have a couple of buttons. How the experience can be consistent?
Secondly, Rubin said backstage that Google could build online music store like iTunes 10 times over but the experience (compare to cloud-based) will not be right. I hope the reporter would ask him back "..just like GoogleTV?". The guy has no shame.
The moto tablet doesn't have any button. Cute! But most Android phones have a couple of buttons. How the experience can be consistent?
Having buttons also doesn?t mean consistency for Android-based phones. If couldn?t use an iPhone I?d go with a Windows Phone 7 device at this point. except for the lackluster JS engine in web browser WP7 is pretty nice.
Android app size is limited to 25 MB. That's why there's no great media apps and games for Android.
NFS that came preinstalled on my DX is close to 100 MB. I'm sure that's not the only 3D game out there for Android.
The limit apples to download size of 25MB from Marketplace, so while something can easily unpack to a larger size after installation, you won't get things like Rage HD which are 1.4GBs after installation.
That's not to say you can't get larger apps from other sources, just not Marketplace.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/11/post-8.ars
http://androidandme.com/2010/11/game...tablets-video/
Rage HD is being ported over to Android.
But your original post said that Android apps are limited to 25 MB, which is clearly not true.
Google copied Apple shocker!
2 things:
The moto tablet doesn't have any button. Cute! But most Android phones have a couple of buttons. How the experience can be consistent?
From this video:
http://www.androidcentral.com/video-...-and-honeycomb
It looks like there are no buttons in the physical sense (capacitive maybe?). There's a point where the camera's looking over Rubin's shoulder (roughly the 4:00 mark) and you can see what looks like four white icons glowing on the bottom left corner that doesn't look to be part of the screen. After a while, they stop glowing and the area goes dark. And right after, the screen itself dims.
This is much like how the buttons work on current Android phones (both physical or capacitive).
From this video:
http://www.androidcentral.com/video-...-and-honeycomb
It looks like there are no buttons in the physical sense (capacitive maybe?). There's a point where the camera's looking over Rubin's shoulder (roughly the 4:00 mark) and you can see what looks like four white icons glowing on the bottom left corner that doesn't look to be part of the screen. After a while, they stop glowing and the area goes dark. And right after, the screen itself dims.
This is much like how the buttons work on current Android phones (both physical or capacitive).
Still not the same method. Look like they did it just for a sake of one-up Apple.
Still not the same method. Look like they did it just for a sake of one-up Apple.
Not the same method? I'm a bit confused by what you mean by this. Capacitive buttons are nothing new to Android phones.
Having buttons also doesn?t mean consistency for Android-based phones. If couldn?t use an iPhone I?d go with a Windows Phone 7 device at this point. except for the lackluster JS engine in web browser WP7 is pretty nice.
Is that a fragmentation?
Btw, I don't have "much" problem with fragmentation. I wouldn't imagine myself replacing phone that often but I would be pissed if a main function of a phone and a tablet fragmented.
Not the same method? I'm a bit confused by what you mean by this. Capacitive buttons are nothing new to Android phones.
What would you do when you want to press a home button on a tablet?
Is that a fragmentation?
Btw, I don't have "much" problem with fragmentation. I wouldn't imagine myself replacing phone that often but I would be pissed if a main function of a phone and a tablet fragmented.
Yes and no. Yes in that it is different (I have no idea why) in placement. No in that it's always the same four buttons and they all do the same four functions (default) on every phone.
What would you do when you want to press a home button on a tablet?
Like I said, there seem to be four icons that are lit at the bottom of the screen. Which I would say are the same four buttons found on every Android device. Until we get a higher resolution shot of the Moto tablet, that's just my assumption.
So to answer your question, you would simply press the "Home" button.
I have an iPhone 4. I'm interested in getting an Android phone to replace my 4. However, I will never switch to an Android phone unless I can upgrade my Android OS like I can do with my iPhone. I think it is very poor form on Google's part to make me have to get a new phone to have the latest version of the Android OS. Just stupid.
Then you should get the Nexus S.. That is the one Android phone that is unbasterdized by the manufacturer and carriers and will be the first to get upgraded to the latest Android version.
I think the Nexus phone is the only Android phone you can truly compare side by side the iPhone. It's pure Android.