I expect that they'll lower the price of the MBAs soon
Price points rarely lower. Apple has this weird system where they put them up instead and they just end up making more money. It's pretty annoying, people need to stop buying their products and then the prices will come down.
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Originally Posted by cwfrederick
I hope they keep the white MB around though, as it is so iconic, and would be a great, versatile laptop for students.
You could say that about the 11" Air too though while being stronger, lighter, faster with the SSD and more durable being made of metal. I do think the white design stands out but nobody else makes metal laptops so the Air kinda stands out too.
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Originally Posted by MEOW
Then you lose the franchise!
Worse than that, he'd be looking at raw, unannounced magic. A group of people tried it once but they didn't survive to tell the tale:
Even the iPad 2 should be a 'No really big deal' as camera, 512MB RAM, etc. should of easily been put into the current one from the get go.
That's revisionist history on your part. iPads went on the market more than 10 months ago and the component engineering and supply situation was much different then. Attaching today's capabilities to yesterday's product introductions is like driving in reverse down the highway, using the backup display on your dashboard to navigate.
Actually, "pallet" is correct. See definition below from Dictionary.com
pal·let [pal-it]
noun, verb, -let·ed, -let·ing.
–nouna small, low, portable platform on which goods are placed for storage or moving, as in a warehouse or vehicle. a flat board or metal plate used to support ceramic articles during drying. Horology a lever with three projections, two of which intermittently lock and receive impulses from the escape wheel and one which transmits these impulses to the balance.
either of the two projections of this lever that engage and release the escape wheel.
a painter's palette. (on a pawl) a lip or projection that engages with the teeth of a ratchet wheel. Printing . typeholder. (in gilding) an instrument used to take up the gold leaves from the pillow and to apply and extend them. a shaping tool used by potters and consisting of a flat blade or plate with a handle at one end. Bookbinding .a tool for decorating the spine of a book. the stamping of the name of the binder on the inside covers of a book.
Almost all MacBook Pros expected shipping on Apple online store is showing 3 to 5 business days.
Apple generally introduces new products on Tuesday. I expect that will happen this time.
1) Two 13-inchers: 64GB and 128GB SSD's + HDD. No Super-drive.
2) Two 15-inchers: 128GB and 256GB SSD's + HDD. No Super-drive.
3) One 17-incher: 512GB SSD + HDD + Super-drive.
NAND flash cost is about $1 per GB. If the price of the 17-inch model goes up by $200, that could be due to additional 256GB of SSD capacity.
In my opinion, the current MacBook Pro line does not have sufficient differentiation between models. For instance, the top-end 13" does not offer enough to justify the $300 price difference. The same is true for the lower and middle 15" models. By using SSD capacity as one of the differentiating factors (like the Air's) in addition to the processor speed, Apple will have a better product line.
I am also guessing that the SSD's will not be user-upgradeable. I hope I am wrong.
1) Two 13-inchers: 64GB and 128GB SSD's + HDD. No Super-drive.
2) Two 15-inchers: 128GB and 256GB SSD's + HDD. No Super-drive.
3) One 17-incher: 512GB SSD + HDD + Super-drive.
The idea of combo flash (edited: I said SSD, meant flash...) & HDD is interesting and I think a winner.
If the filesystem can automatically dynamically put all the most used files on flash it would be brilliant... but I'd think that's not so easy! Can the HFS filesystem be stored on flash, and point to either system? (edit: to be clear... I'm not asking if it can be done, but if it's practical to do it this way).
Oh, I would expect to see something like 64GB flash on ALL models (not 256GB etc), with a variety of HDD sizes.
Apple generally introduces new products on Tuesday. I expect that will happen this time.
1) Two 13-inchers: 64GB and 128GB SSD's + HDD. No Super-drive.
2) Two 15-inchers: 128GB and 256GB SSD's + HDD. No Super-drive.
3) One 17-incher: 512GB SSD + HDD + Super-drive.
NAND flash cost is about $1 per GB. If the price of the 17-inch model goes up by $200, that could be due to additional 256GB of SSD capacity.
In my opinion, the current MacBook Pro line does not have sufficient differentiation between models. For instance, the top-end 13" does not offer enough to justify the $300 price difference. The same is true for the lower and middle 15" models. By using SSD capacity as one of the differentiating factors (like the Air's) in addition to the processor speed, Apple will have a better product line.
I am also guessing that the SSD's will not be user-upgradeable. I hope I am wrong.
I think a flash storage (like in MB Air) is more suitable than SSD. I believe they can still have flash (64GB or 128GB) + an HDD or SSD + Super Drive inside the MBP. Flash storage should not take space like SSD since the flash chips will be mounted directly on the logic board.
The idea of combo SSD & HDD is interesting and I think a winner.
If the filesystem can automatically dynamically put all the most used files on SSD it would be brilliant... but I'd think that's not so easy! Can the HFS filesystem be stored on SSD, and point to either system? (edit: to be clear... I'm not asking if it can be done, but if it's practical to do it this way).
Oh, I would expect to see something like 64GB SSD on ALL models (not 256GB etc), with a variety of HDD sizes.
There are hybrid HDDs from Seagate (I am actually using the 500GB one on my MBP). They have 4GB NAND flash inside and the HDD can determine which files are used more frequently and place them in the flash chip. There is no software to install. The size of the flash storage on these hybrid HDD is very small so you won't get the speed gain you'd expect with a SSD. However, it is faster the standard HDD and almost the same price.
MacRumors is still saying Thursday is the launch day. Does that mean these resellers have to sit on the packages for four days? Fingers will be very, very itchy. Best post from their forum: "Cue Europe's "The Final Countdown" song..."
There are hybrid HDDs from Seagate (I am actually using the 500GB one on my MBP). They have 4GB NAND flash inside and the HDD can determine which files are used more frequently and place them in the flash chip. There is no software to install. The size of the flash storage on these hybrid HDD is very small so you won't get the speed gain you'd expect with a SSD. However, it is faster the standard HDD and almost the same price.
For a redesign to make any reasonable sense they would need to remove the optical drive and fit onboard SSDs. Now if that was going to happen, prices wouldnt be as low as they have been leaked by now.
...and a $5/hr employee will open one just because it's there, and not privvy to all the announcements, etc.
Large retailers will lose their "licenses". I can't wait to see this news story here.
Really apple? Ship a product and don't let a B&M sell it? You have lost your mind even more than before.
What decade are you living in? Federal Minimum Wage is $7.25/hr and many other places within the US have even higher minimum wages. Heck, I worked at a CompUSA over a decade ago and my starting wage was $9.00 per hour!
Also, I don't think there really is any worry about what employees will do with the pallets. In stores like these, there is a receiving area and the people who work that part of the store are well enough trained to know better than to open these confidential pallets.
I think a flash storage (like in MB Air) is more suitable than SSD. I believe they can still have flash (64GB or 128GB) + an HDD or SSD + Super Drive inside the MBP. Flash storage should not take space like SSD since the flash chips will be mounted directly on the logic board.
By SSD, I meant flash storage just like the MB Air which would not require much space. By getting rid of the Super-drive, there would be plenty of room to add flash. And make the Pros thinner, or add battery capacity, or both. They still need to be heavy enough to differentiate from the Airs.
This never happened once in the five years I worked for Apple Retail. No "sealed black palettes," no mystery shipments... and they certainly never said "Oh, you're getting a top secret shipment this week, don't open it."
They don't trust their underpaid monkeys, and rightly so.
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I would totally open the box.
Then you lose the franchise!
I expect that they'll lower the price of the MBAs soon
Price points rarely lower. Apple has this weird system where they put them up instead and they just end up making more money. It's pretty annoying, people need to stop buying their products and then the prices will come down.
I hope they keep the white MB around though, as it is so iconic, and would be a great, versatile laptop for students.
You could say that about the 11" Air too though while being stronger, lighter, faster with the SSD and more durable being made of metal. I do think the white design stands out but nobody else makes metal laptops so the Air kinda stands out too.
Then you lose the franchise!
Worse than that, he'd be looking at raw, unannounced magic. A group of people tried it once but they didn't survive to tell the tale:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3KV4fLSNoU
(fortunately the cameraman was ok so we can see what happened)
Worse than that, he'd be looking at raw, unannounced magic. A group of people tried it once but they didn't survive to tell the tale:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3KV4fLSNoU
(fortunately the cameraman was ok so we can see what happened)
Boring.
Even the iPad 2 should be a 'No really big deal' as camera, 512MB RAM, etc. should of easily been put into the current one from the get go.
That's revisionist history on your part. iPads went on the market more than 10 months ago and the component engineering and supply situation was much different then. Attaching today's capabilities to yesterday's product introductions is like driving in reverse down the highway, using the backup display on your dashboard to navigate.
A sealed "palette", not "pallet"?
Actually, "pallet" is correct. See definition below from Dictionary.com
pal·let [pal-it]
noun, verb, -let·ed, -let·ing.
–nouna small, low, portable platform on which goods are placed for storage or moving, as in a warehouse or vehicle.
a flat board or metal plate used to support ceramic articles during drying.
Horology a lever with three projections, two of which intermittently lock and receive impulses from the escape wheel and one which transmits these impulses to the balance.
either of the two projections of this lever that engage and release the escape wheel.
a painter's palette.
(on a pawl) a lip or projection that engages with the teeth of a ratchet wheel.
Printing . typeholder.
(in gilding) an instrument used to take up the gold leaves from the pillow and to apply and extend them.
a shaping tool used by potters and consisting of a flat blade or plate with a handle at one end.
Bookbinding .a tool for decorating the spine of a book.
the stamping of the name of the binder on the inside covers of a book.
Almost all MacBook Pros expected shipping on Apple online store is showing 3 to 5 business days.
Apple generally introduces new products on Tuesday. I expect that will happen this time.
1) Two 13-inchers: 64GB and 128GB SSD's + HDD. No Super-drive.
2) Two 15-inchers: 128GB and 256GB SSD's + HDD. No Super-drive.
3) One 17-incher: 512GB SSD + HDD + Super-drive.
NAND flash cost is about $1 per GB. If the price of the 17-inch model goes up by $200, that could be due to additional 256GB of SSD capacity.
In my opinion, the current MacBook Pro line does not have sufficient differentiation between models. For instance, the top-end 13" does not offer enough to justify the $300 price difference. The same is true for the lower and middle 15" models. By using SSD capacity as one of the differentiating factors (like the Air's) in addition to the processor speed, Apple will have a better product line.
I am also guessing that the SSD's will not be user-upgradeable. I hope I am wrong.
which coincides with one of ten federal holidays (President's Day) in the United States.
There is no US federal holiday named "President's Day.? There is, however, an official US federal holiday named "Washington?s Birthday."
1) Two 13-inchers: 64GB and 128GB SSD's + HDD. No Super-drive.
2) Two 15-inchers: 128GB and 256GB SSD's + HDD. No Super-drive.
3) One 17-incher: 512GB SSD + HDD + Super-drive.
The idea of combo flash (edited: I said SSD, meant flash...) & HDD is interesting and I think a winner.
If the filesystem can automatically dynamically put all the most used files on flash it would be brilliant... but I'd think that's not so easy! Can the HFS filesystem be stored on flash, and point to either system? (edit: to be clear... I'm not asking if it can be done, but if it's practical to do it this way).
Oh, I would expect to see something like 64GB flash on ALL models (not 256GB etc), with a variety of HDD sizes.
Apple generally introduces new products on Tuesday. I expect that will happen this time.
1) Two 13-inchers: 64GB and 128GB SSD's + HDD. No Super-drive.
2) Two 15-inchers: 128GB and 256GB SSD's + HDD. No Super-drive.
3) One 17-incher: 512GB SSD + HDD + Super-drive.
NAND flash cost is about $1 per GB. If the price of the 17-inch model goes up by $200, that could be due to additional 256GB of SSD capacity.
In my opinion, the current MacBook Pro line does not have sufficient differentiation between models. For instance, the top-end 13" does not offer enough to justify the $300 price difference. The same is true for the lower and middle 15" models. By using SSD capacity as one of the differentiating factors (like the Air's) in addition to the processor speed, Apple will have a better product line.
I am also guessing that the SSD's will not be user-upgradeable. I hope I am wrong.
I think a flash storage (like in MB Air) is more suitable than SSD. I believe they can still have flash (64GB or 128GB) + an HDD or SSD + Super Drive inside the MBP. Flash storage should not take space like SSD since the flash chips will be mounted directly on the logic board.
The idea of combo SSD & HDD is interesting and I think a winner.
If the filesystem can automatically dynamically put all the most used files on SSD it would be brilliant... but I'd think that's not so easy! Can the HFS filesystem be stored on SSD, and point to either system? (edit: to be clear... I'm not asking if it can be done, but if it's practical to do it this way).
Oh, I would expect to see something like 64GB SSD on ALL models (not 256GB etc), with a variety of HDD sizes.
There are hybrid HDDs from Seagate (I am actually using the 500GB one on my MBP). They have 4GB NAND flash inside and the HDD can determine which files are used more frequently and place them in the flash chip. There is no software to install. The size of the flash storage on these hybrid HDD is very small so you won't get the speed gain you'd expect with a SSD. However, it is faster the standard HDD and almost the same price.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kss98...eature=related
There are hybrid HDDs from Seagate (I am actually using the 500GB one on my MBP). They have 4GB NAND flash inside and the HDD can determine which files are used more frequently and place them in the flash chip. There is no software to install. The size of the flash storage on these hybrid HDD is very small so you won't get the speed gain you'd expect with a SSD. However, it is faster the standard HDD and almost the same price.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kss98...eature=related
I'm really hoping for this. If Seagate can make this work, I'm sure Apple can!
For a redesign to make any reasonable sense they would need to remove the optical drive and fit onboard SSDs. Now if that was going to happen, prices wouldnt be as low as they have been leaked by now.
Its also still to early for Light Peak imo.
But we will know soon
...and a $5/hr employee will open one just because it's there, and not privvy to all the announcements, etc.
Large retailers will lose their "licenses". I can't wait to see this news story here.
Really apple? Ship a product and don't let a B&M sell it? You have lost your mind even more than before.
What decade are you living in? Federal Minimum Wage is $7.25/hr and many other places within the US have even higher minimum wages.
Also, I don't think there really is any worry about what employees will do with the pallets. In stores like these, there is a receiving area and the people who work that part of the store are well enough trained to know better than to open these confidential pallets.
No they didn't. That's what Steve worked out with the President at dinner last week.
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Sorry, no ...
Dinner with Steve - who was, if you noticed, on The Left
Others were only there as a 'smoke screen'
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Was to finalize the arrangements - which will never be announced
(so keep you mouth shut, or sleep with da fishes, Steve don't mess around)
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All US Government Secrets are now managed by Apple
And Little Punk Privates will no longer have access to 'Intel Info'
(unless it happens to be a 'designed leak' - shhh)
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P.S. to Watson
Is that US or U.S. ?
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Your post mentions ...
Horology
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From just my Ol' Navy Days
I'd probably qualify for a PhD in that
The Study of Hor's
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I think a flash storage (like in MB Air) is more suitable than SSD. I believe they can still have flash (64GB or 128GB) + an HDD or SSD + Super Drive inside the MBP. Flash storage should not take space like SSD since the flash chips will be mounted directly on the logic board.
By SSD, I meant flash storage just like the MB Air which would not require much space. By getting rid of the Super-drive, there would be plenty of room to add flash. And make the Pros thinner, or add battery capacity, or both. They still need to be heavy enough to differentiate from the Airs.
They don't trust their underpaid monkeys, and rightly so.