Great many customers are new to apple, even greater number of customers know nothing of Apple history. Personally, if Steve himself doesn't introduce someone that he believes should lead Apple thats going to be an end to my Apple use. This happened one before...
Great many customers are new to apple, even greater number of customers know nothing of Apple history. Personally, if Steve himself doesn't introduce someone that he believes should lead Apple thats going to be an end to my Apple use. This happened one before...
I won't jump ship so quickly, but I will be MUCH more cautious when it comes to buying new Apple hardware and software. If things look good 3 -5 years after Jobs leaves I will reinvest in new hardware considering all of my Macs are less than a year old.
That is only because of what Steve has made Apple into what it is today! He changed the world and made people love 'change'.
Even if he leaves, the people loving the change will always stick to it, I will not want Steve to go away, even if he does, I will still buy Apple products, he has nurtured the team. Most of the credit goes to him anyway. He made technology aesthetically intrigue consumers!
The guy has been out for 5 1/2 weeks and you're surprised that there have been no major moves?!? I highly doubt this is any real indicator. What are they supposed to do, announce something every other week? Sure, the iPad2 announcement seems a bit overdue if you compare it to last year, but then here were are, potentially as little as a day away from some major announcements with more to follow (allegedly) next week.
Then why is it every time there is a negative Steve Jobs rumor, the stock drops like a hot rock? I woudn't think a simple rumor should cause a sell-off panic, but it does. I don't know what consumers think, but somebody that's trading Apple stock is sweating over every little Steve Jobs detail. I don't sell off my Apple stock on rumors, but there must be a lot of investors that do. Anyone with common sense should just ignore the rumors since Steve rumors happen quite often. Apple has gotten kicked around in the last week and it's likely the Steve rumors, so go figure. Will the stock go up much with the iPad announcement or MacBook intro? I doubt it.
Apple share price was already lagging well behind median target price a week ago, and now it's even further behind. For such a fundamentally strong stock, it appears as volatile as it ever was.
Apple share price was already lagging well behind median target price a week ago, and now it's even further behind. For such a fundamentally strong stock, it appears as volatile as it ever was.
There was just as much volatility last August-September when APPL dropped over 8.5% when SJ was in so go figure. Meanwhile, it hits a record high a few weeks ago, but apparently it's lagging well behind.
No one buys Apple stuff because they are Steve Jobs fans. They buy Apple stuff because it's generally awesome, and Steve is a big part of that. Would you ask a Starbuck's addict if they would stop going to Starbucks if [whoever the CEO/founder is] left the company? Of course not. Would they stop going if, after he left, the coffee wasn't as good? Of course.
Public opinion polling in this case is pointless.
That's a bad analogy. The CEO for Starbucks didn't make anything groundbreaking. He's overpriced a product that grows on trees and can be purchased elsewhere, if it weren't for the free wifi who'd go there? My question is "Can Apple keep introducing great new products without Steve Jobs there?"
I won't jump ship so quickly, but I will be MUCH more cautious when it comes to buying new Apple hardware and software. If things look good 3 -5 years after Jobs leaves I will reinvest in new hardware considering all of my Macs are less than a year old.
Can I get that in writing. Your planing what decisions your going to make 5 years from now.
Hey.....nobody asked me, besides "Jack Daniel's" died a long time ago. It didn't stop me from enjoying his product.
Oh great now we're comparing the spirits market to the tech market. Lol. JD will never become obsolete or need a refresh. Maybe just maybe a lil bit of Coke but that's it.
The guy has been out for 5 1/2 weeks and you're surprised that there have been no major moves?!? I highly doubt this is any real indicator. What are they supposed to do, announce something every other week? Sure, the iPad2 announcement seems a bit overdue if you compare it to last year, but then here were are, potentially as little as a day away from some major announcements with more to follow (allegedly) next week.
I agree. I remember along time ago Steve said there would be something new or announced every 6 months. So far it's been pretty close to that.
Oh great now we're comparing the spirits market to the tech market. Lol. JD will never become obsolete or need a refresh. Maybe just maybe a lil bit of Coke but that's it.
Hey, the tech market sometimes drives the spirit's market.
Jobs' absence has already impacted the company. This is evidenced by the fact that there have been no major moves from the company since Jobs took leave. <blah blah blah>
Me smells a troll.
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What a moronic survey.
No one buys Apple stuff because they are Steve Jobs fans. They buy Apple stuff because it's generally awesome, and Steve is a big part of that.
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Kind of an odd survey. Why would anyone stop buying products from a company simply because the CEO changes, holding all else constant? That would be weird.
I'm willing to bet that the average Apple customer doesn't even know who is CEO of Apple. Mostly, only those of us who follow Apple closely know this. Do you know who are the CEOs of the companies who made your car, refrigerator, TV, shoes, gardening tools, lawn mower, washing machine, etc.? It's not something most people think about before they buy a product.
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Dude, its not a "moronic" survey because all the rumors out there keep traders believing AAPL is a fad based, impulsive, subjective and risky stock.
The more evidence we have that Apple sales depend mostly/purely on the quality of the product and service, the better.
I welcome this survey and hope that many more put Wall Street back on track. Apple is not a toy company and its time that the stock stops suffering from the rock star syndrome. We all love Steve, but corporations are are much more than the weight of their CEOs.
Amen.
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You may be correct in one sense (common sense) but the fact remains the Apple haters and competition (and probably stock manipulators) try their best to make the link all the time thus ensuring every report of Steve's health is a negative for AAPL. Of course if SJ were not sick this entire discussion would not be taking place.
Praise the Lord!
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Great many customers are new to apple, even greater number of customers know nothing of Apple history.
And even more don't care. They just like the products, and judge them on their merits, not their pedigree.
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Hey.....nobody asked me, besides "Jack Daniel's" died a long time ago. It didn't stop me from enjoying his product.
Ah, but his product is one which improves with age!
Apple without Jobs would do fine for quite a while. Medium term, I don't think there's cause for concern. But how many CEOs are so anal about thinness and 'lines' and the look and feel of products? Apple invested a ton of $ in the manufacturing of their sleep laptops. Carved out of a block of aluminum....slick.
However, down the road, they could be saddled with a CEO who doesn't see the logic in innovating through a downturn and instead of investing and innovating their way through it, as Apple has done, chooses to cut unnecessary costs (like building laptops out of carved aluminum blocks).
Vision and passion are critical for Apple, long term. I hope they pick wisely. One day, Steve will be gone. I hope the ethos is firmly embedded.
And who knows... might Apple luck out and strike gold twice in a row?
That is what the last CEO of Apple thought!!! Steve is either a genius, or he is not. If he is, then the loss of him with definitely negatively effect the company over the long run.
The difference is last time Steve was forced out.
I am 100% confident that the leaving of Steve will not be anything like it was last time.
It took a few years for John Sculley to derail the company and set it adrift, so Steve's departure would have little immediate affect, particularly with products already in the pipeline. But give it a few years and Apple will lose its way. OS X will slowly fall behind. Promises will be made and broken (Copland), Macs will go back to beige plastic boxes, users will switch to Windows and Android. Eventually, Apple will chase their competitors and stop innovating. Ten year after Jobs. Except no one will save Apple.
If Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs were to leave Apple, it would not have a material impact on customers' buying intentions, a new survey has found.
RBC Capital Markets and ChangeWave recently conducted a survey of 3,091 respondents between Jan. 31 and Feb. 9, asking them about a hypothetical scenario in which Jobs might depart Apple, the company he co-founded. Of those surveyed, 93 percent said they would likely continue buying Apple's products or would not actively change their purchasing decisions if Jobs were not at the helm.
Most people have no idea and no interest in knowing who is the Chief Executive Officer and President of Apple inc., just as they don't know who leads big companies like K-Mart, General Motors, Cisco, etc.
Only the delusional fans of Apple inc. ever believed that every good idea and invention originated from the mind of Steve Jobs, a high school graduate who was in the habit of saying that he didn't want to talk to or hire any employee who had not experienced LSD, the psychotropic drug Steve Jobs used in his twenties and which is now blamed for his pancreatic cancer.
For anyone who needs background info on Steve Jobs, see the 2008 Fortune Magazine Editorial:
Steve Jobs is a great salesman widely acknowledged for his famous 'Reality Distortion Field'. He is the co-founder of Apple inc. and it's CEO since Apple bought NeXT Computers, the other company he founded.
Steve Jobs supervised the transition to Mac OS X and then, the transition to Intel processors. It is quite possible that he was the best person to lead both transitions away from the old Apple. Steve Jobs served Apple to the best of his abilities, abilities he derived from a high school education, and we must thank him for that.
A CEO's appointment is not a lifetime appointment, and only a stale company would never change its CEO until his death. Sadly, many business opportunities were lost due to the staleness of Apple's Board of directors and Apple's executives.
Change is the only constant of life. Change is needed to adapt, expand and survive in a changing world, a changing business environment. Apple resisted change for too long, suffered from a bad business strategy for too long. Change is needed.
The issue is this: In an Apple without Jobs, who runs the company and what impact will that have? If the Board doesn't give it to Tim Cook, I suspect he'd leave the company and become CEO at a competitor. But if they give it to Tim Cook, who by all accounts is a great operations guy, would Apple still maintain the vision that it has had under Jobs?
Cook probably already accounts for much of the "vision" within Apple - it frees Jobs to concentrate on products (which is what I assume you meant above). However, people continually overlook that Cook's bachelor's degree is in Industrial Design. Will he have the same vision as Jobs? Probably not, but he also will not be clueless to design-led engineering.
I also believe that most of the design inspiration comes from Jonathan Ive. What worries me most is that he might choose to leave a Jobs-less Apple which I do think would severely impact Apple's product vision.
Then why is it every time there is a negative Steve Jobs rumor, the stock drops like a hot rock? I woudn't think a simple rumor should cause a sell-off panic, but it does. I don't know what consumers think, but somebody that's trading Apple stock is sweating over every little Steve Jobs detail. I don't sell off my Apple stock on rumors, but there must be a lot of investors that do. Anyone with common sense should just ignore the rumors since Steve rumors happen quite often. Apple has gotten kicked around in the last week and it's likely the Steve rumors, so go figure. Will the stock go up much with the iPad announcement or MacBook intro? I doubt it.
Apple share price was already lagging well behind median target price a week ago, and now it's even further behind. For such a fundamentally strong stock, it appears as volatile as it ever was.
I think much of the movement in Apple's stock price over the last week revolves around a fairly continuous negative narrative relative to Apple's in-app purchasing and the way that they are dealing with partners. As a stockholder, this is what has me worried. People have been rather glib when considering the impact of the loss of major App Store partners but this actually worries me.
What is so funny is that many of the "Apple is right" posters have in the past agreed with DED in his reporting of Microsoft's PlaysForSure failure and the way partnerships were mishandled. Is there some possibility that Apple is now repeating this mistake in some fashion? Healthy partnerships are vital to Apple. Some partners are now publicly questioning the value and reliability of Apple as a partner. That has probably had far more to do with recent stock movements.
Hopefully, the announcements over the next few weeks will change the narrative back to Apple's excellent products.
Apple without Jobs would do fine for quite a while. Medium term, I don't think there's cause for concern. But how many CEOs are so anal about thinness and 'lines' and the look and feel of products? Apple invested a ton of $ in the manufacturing of their sleep laptops. Carved out of a block of aluminum....slick.
However, down the road, they could be saddled with a CEO who doesn't see the logic in innovating through a downturn and instead of investing and innovating their way through it, as Apple has done, chooses to cut unnecessary costs (like building laptops out of carved aluminum blocks).
Vision and passion are critical for Apple, long term. I hope they pick wisely. One day, Steve will be gone. I hope the ethos is firmly embedded.
And who knows... might Apple luck out and strike gold twice in a row?
I think most of the design concepts you mentioned were, in fact, sprang from the mind of Jonathan Ive. Yes, Steve endorsed these design concepts and encouraged going the extra step but I doubt the ideas themselves came from Jobs.
I do worry that Ive might choose to leave a Jobs-less Apple.
Most people have no idea and no interest in knowing who is the Chief Executive Officer and President of Apple inc., just as they don't know who leads big companies like K-Mart, General Motors, Cisco, etc.
Only the delusional fans of Apple inc. ever believed that every good idea and invention originated from the mind of Steve Jobs, a high school graduate who was in the habit of saying that he didn't want to talk to or hire any employee who had not experienced LSD, the psychotropic drug Steve Jobs used in his twenties and which is now blamed for his pancreatic cancer.
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While I agree with some of what you say, your constant obsession with Jobs' lack of a college degree (you have previously referred to him as a "college dropout") is just a bunch of blather. You give little to no credit to his innate skills which have served him better than many an MBA's.
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Great many customers are new to apple, even greater number of customers know nothing of Apple history. Personally, if Steve himself doesn't introduce someone that he believes should lead Apple thats going to be an end to my Apple use. This happened one before...
I won't jump ship so quickly, but I will be MUCH more cautious when it comes to buying new Apple hardware and software. If things look good 3 -5 years after Jobs leaves I will reinvest in new hardware considering all of my Macs are less than a year old.
Even if he leaves, the people loving the change will always stick to it, I will not want Steve to go away, even if he does, I will still buy Apple products, he has nurtured the team. Most of the credit goes to him anyway. He made technology aesthetically intrigue consumers!
God bless Steve!
The guy has been out for 5 1/2 weeks and you're surprised that there have been no major moves?!? I highly doubt this is any real indicator. What are they supposed to do, announce something every other week? Sure, the iPad2 announcement seems a bit overdue if you compare it to last year, but then here were are, potentially as little as a day away from some major announcements with more to follow (allegedly) next week.
Then why is it every time there is a negative Steve Jobs rumor, the stock drops like a hot rock? I woudn't think a simple rumor should cause a sell-off panic, but it does. I don't know what consumers think, but somebody that's trading Apple stock is sweating over every little Steve Jobs detail. I don't sell off my Apple stock on rumors, but there must be a lot of investors that do. Anyone with common sense should just ignore the rumors since Steve rumors happen quite often. Apple has gotten kicked around in the last week and it's likely the Steve rumors, so go figure. Will the stock go up much with the iPad announcement or MacBook intro? I doubt it.
Apple share price was already lagging well behind median target price a week ago, and now it's even further behind. For such a fundamentally strong stock, it appears as volatile as it ever was.
Apple share price was already lagging well behind median target price a week ago, and now it's even further behind. For such a fundamentally strong stock, it appears as volatile as it ever was.
There was just as much volatility last August-September when APPL dropped over 8.5% when SJ was in so go figure. Meanwhile, it hits a record high a few weeks ago, but apparently it's lagging well behind.
What a moronic survey.
No one buys Apple stuff because they are Steve Jobs fans. They buy Apple stuff because it's generally awesome, and Steve is a big part of that. Would you ask a Starbuck's addict if they would stop going to Starbucks if [whoever the CEO/founder is] left the company? Of course not. Would they stop going if, after he left, the coffee wasn't as good? Of course.
Public opinion polling in this case is pointless.
That's a bad analogy. The CEO for Starbucks didn't make anything groundbreaking. He's overpriced a product that grows on trees and can be purchased elsewhere, if it weren't for the free wifi who'd go there? My question is "Can Apple keep introducing great new products without Steve Jobs there?"
I won't jump ship so quickly, but I will be MUCH more cautious when it comes to buying new Apple hardware and software. If things look good 3 -5 years after Jobs leaves I will reinvest in new hardware considering all of my Macs are less than a year old.
Can I get that in writing. Your planing what decisions your going to make 5 years from now.
A Lame statement from .....What? "lamewing".
Hey.....nobody asked me, besides "Jack Daniel's" died a long time ago. It didn't stop me from enjoying his product.
Oh great now we're comparing the spirits market to the tech market. Lol. JD will never become obsolete or need a refresh. Maybe just maybe a lil bit of Coke but that's it.
The guy has been out for 5 1/2 weeks and you're surprised that there have been no major moves?!? I highly doubt this is any real indicator. What are they supposed to do, announce something every other week? Sure, the iPad2 announcement seems a bit overdue if you compare it to last year, but then here were are, potentially as little as a day away from some major announcements with more to follow (allegedly) next week.
I agree. I remember along time ago Steve said there would be something new or announced every 6 months. So far it's been pretty close to that.
Oh great now we're comparing the spirits market to the tech market. Lol. JD will never become obsolete or need a refresh. Maybe just maybe a lil bit of Coke but that's it.
Hey, the tech market sometimes drives the spirit's market.
Jobs' absence has already impacted the company. This is evidenced by the fact that there have been no major moves from the company since Jobs took leave. <blah blah blah>
Me smells a troll.
What a moronic survey.
No one buys Apple stuff because they are Steve Jobs fans. They buy Apple stuff because it's generally awesome, and Steve is a big part of that.
and
Kind of an odd survey. Why would anyone stop buying products from a company simply because the CEO changes, holding all else constant? That would be weird.
I'm willing to bet that the average Apple customer doesn't even know who is CEO of Apple. Mostly, only those of us who follow Apple closely know this. Do you know who are the CEOs of the companies who made your car, refrigerator, TV, shoes, gardening tools, lawn mower, washing machine, etc.? It's not something most people think about before they buy a product.
Dude, its not a "moronic" survey because all the rumors out there keep traders believing AAPL is a fad based, impulsive, subjective and risky stock.
The more evidence we have that Apple sales depend mostly/purely on the quality of the product and service, the better.
I welcome this survey and hope that many more put Wall Street back on track. Apple is not a toy company and its time that the stock stops suffering from the rock star syndrome. We all love Steve, but corporations are are much more than the weight of their CEOs.
Amen.
You may be correct in one sense (common sense) but the fact remains the Apple haters and competition (and probably stock manipulators) try their best to make the link all the time thus ensuring every report of Steve's health is a negative for AAPL. Of course if SJ were not sick this entire discussion would not be taking place.
Praise the Lord!
Great many customers are new to apple, even greater number of customers know nothing of Apple history.
And even more don't care. They just like the products, and judge them on their merits, not their pedigree.
Hey.....nobody asked me, besides "Jack Daniel's" died a long time ago. It didn't stop me from enjoying his product.
Ah, but his product is one which improves with age!
However, down the road, they could be saddled with a CEO who doesn't see the logic in innovating through a downturn and instead of investing and innovating their way through it, as Apple has done, chooses to cut unnecessary costs (like building laptops out of carved aluminum blocks).
Vision and passion are critical for Apple, long term. I hope they pick wisely. One day, Steve will be gone. I hope the ethos is firmly embedded.
And who knows... might Apple luck out and strike gold twice in a row?
That is what the last CEO of Apple thought!!! Steve is either a genius, or he is not. If he is, then the loss of him with definitely negatively effect the company over the long run.
The difference is last time Steve was forced out.
I am 100% confident that the leaving of Steve will not be anything like it was last time.
Steve has "his guys" in all of the right places.
If Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs were to leave Apple, it would not have a material impact on customers' buying intentions, a new survey has found.
RBC Capital Markets and ChangeWave recently conducted a survey of 3,091 respondents between Jan. 31 and Feb. 9, asking them about a hypothetical scenario in which Jobs might depart Apple, the company he co-founded. Of those surveyed, 93 percent said they would likely continue buying Apple's products or would not actively change their purchasing decisions if Jobs were not at the helm.
Most people have no idea and no interest in knowing who is the Chief Executive Officer and President of Apple inc., just as they don't know who leads big companies like K-Mart, General Motors, Cisco, etc.
Only the delusional fans of Apple inc. ever believed that every good idea and invention originated from the mind of Steve Jobs, a high school graduate who was in the habit of saying that he didn't want to talk to or hire any employee who had not experienced LSD, the psychotropic drug Steve Jobs used in his twenties and which is now blamed for his pancreatic cancer.
For anyone who needs background info on Steve Jobs, see the 2008 Fortune Magazine Editorial:
"The trouble with Steve Jobs" @ http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/02/news...tune/index.htm
Steve Jobs is a great salesman widely acknowledged for his famous 'Reality Distortion Field'. He is the co-founder of Apple inc. and it's CEO since Apple bought NeXT Computers, the other company he founded.
Steve Jobs supervised the transition to Mac OS X and then, the transition to Intel processors. It is quite possible that he was the best person to lead both transitions away from the old Apple. Steve Jobs served Apple to the best of his abilities, abilities he derived from a high school education, and we must thank him for that.
A CEO's appointment is not a lifetime appointment, and only a stale company would never change its CEO until his death. Sadly, many business opportunities were lost due to the staleness of Apple's Board of directors and Apple's executives.
Change is the only constant of life. Change is needed to adapt, expand and survive in a changing world, a changing business environment. Apple resisted change for too long, suffered from a bad business strategy for too long. Change is needed.
The issue is this: In an Apple without Jobs, who runs the company and what impact will that have? If the Board doesn't give it to Tim Cook, I suspect he'd leave the company and become CEO at a competitor. But if they give it to Tim Cook, who by all accounts is a great operations guy, would Apple still maintain the vision that it has had under Jobs?
Cook probably already accounts for much of the "vision" within Apple - it frees Jobs to concentrate on products (which is what I assume you meant above). However, people continually overlook that Cook's bachelor's degree is in Industrial Design. Will he have the same vision as Jobs? Probably not, but he also will not be clueless to design-led engineering.
I also believe that most of the design inspiration comes from Jonathan Ive. What worries me most is that he might choose to leave a Jobs-less Apple which I do think would severely impact Apple's product vision.
Then why is it every time there is a negative Steve Jobs rumor, the stock drops like a hot rock? I woudn't think a simple rumor should cause a sell-off panic, but it does. I don't know what consumers think, but somebody that's trading Apple stock is sweating over every little Steve Jobs detail. I don't sell off my Apple stock on rumors, but there must be a lot of investors that do. Anyone with common sense should just ignore the rumors since Steve rumors happen quite often. Apple has gotten kicked around in the last week and it's likely the Steve rumors, so go figure. Will the stock go up much with the iPad announcement or MacBook intro? I doubt it.
Apple share price was already lagging well behind median target price a week ago, and now it's even further behind. For such a fundamentally strong stock, it appears as volatile as it ever was.
I think much of the movement in Apple's stock price over the last week revolves around a fairly continuous negative narrative relative to Apple's in-app purchasing and the way that they are dealing with partners. As a stockholder, this is what has me worried. People have been rather glib when considering the impact of the loss of major App Store partners but this actually worries me.
What is so funny is that many of the "Apple is right" posters have in the past agreed with DED in his reporting of Microsoft's PlaysForSure failure and the way partnerships were mishandled. Is there some possibility that Apple is now repeating this mistake in some fashion? Healthy partnerships are vital to Apple. Some partners are now publicly questioning the value and reliability of Apple as a partner. That has probably had far more to do with recent stock movements.
Hopefully, the announcements over the next few weeks will change the narrative back to Apple's excellent products.
Apple without Jobs would do fine for quite a while. Medium term, I don't think there's cause for concern. But how many CEOs are so anal about thinness and 'lines' and the look and feel of products? Apple invested a ton of $ in the manufacturing of their sleep laptops. Carved out of a block of aluminum....slick.
However, down the road, they could be saddled with a CEO who doesn't see the logic in innovating through a downturn and instead of investing and innovating their way through it, as Apple has done, chooses to cut unnecessary costs (like building laptops out of carved aluminum blocks).
Vision and passion are critical for Apple, long term. I hope they pick wisely. One day, Steve will be gone. I hope the ethos is firmly embedded.
And who knows... might Apple luck out and strike gold twice in a row?
I think most of the design concepts you mentioned were, in fact, sprang from the mind of Jonathan Ive. Yes, Steve endorsed these design concepts and encouraged going the extra step but I doubt the ideas themselves came from Jobs.
I do worry that Ive might choose to leave a Jobs-less Apple.
Most people have no idea and no interest in knowing who is the Chief Executive Officer and President of Apple inc., just as they don't know who leads big companies like K-Mart, General Motors, Cisco, etc.
Only the delusional fans of Apple inc. ever believed that every good idea and invention originated from the mind of Steve Jobs, a high school graduate who was in the habit of saying that he didn't want to talk to or hire any employee who had not experienced LSD, the psychotropic drug Steve Jobs used in his twenties and which is now blamed for his pancreatic cancer.
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While I agree with some of what you say, your constant obsession with Jobs' lack of a college degree (you have previously referred to him as a "college dropout") is just a bunch of blather. You give little to no credit to his innate skills which have served him better than many an MBA's.