No but I do remember Bob Wilkins of "Creature Feature" fame telling at least one Milpitas joke every week...
I miss Bob Wilkins and the classic creature feature format. The current KOFY scary movie thing is an attempt to make the idea palatable to younger people, with horrible comics, strippers, and no more that 5 minutes of the movie allowed to roll between bits. Unwatchable.
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Not quite - it's a corruption of Ohlone and Spanish. Besides, that's a salt marsh and I dare you to grow corn in a salt marsh.
Right. Means something like "small garden where several crops are grown." Also, "El Cerrito" means "The Cerrito", in case you were wondering.
I've seen people get the same program showing 950mhz+ speeds. When are all the blogs going to figure out that the proc speed is dynamic all the way up to 1ghz?
This is a 1ghz processor for sure. If it needs it, it'll ramp all the way up.
I don't know but strongly suspect that they will have lower operating points. Generally when chip vendors scale back frequency it is only so they can drop the voltage and really make some power savings (voltage squared term in the energy equation).
So that said most chip vendors usually deploy something like 100% performance, 70-80% and probably around 50%. This would give a really nice saving along with the ability to switch off one of the A9 cores
... though, some would claim corn tassels resemple [long] blonde pit hair
No iPad 2 for you, today!
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Originally Posted by Bageljoey
Sorry, his story is better...
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Originally Posted by Ecphorizer
No but I do remember Bob Wilkins of "Creature Feature" fame telling at least one Milpitas joke every week...
Not quite - it's a corruption of Ohlone and Spanish. Besides, that's a salt marsh and I dare you to grow corn in a salt marsh.
That's what carpetbaggers and their revisionist history will do for you.
Nope. The estimated delivery date is April 1. Ha-ha!
Where's my TDM?
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Originally Posted by Ecphorizer
Regarding Dick Applebaum's contention that "milpitas" = "little corn fields:
Thanks Bageljoey, you made my (iPadless) day!
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Originally Posted by addabox
I miss Bob Wilkins and the classic creature feature format. The current KOFY scary movie thing is an attempt to make the idea palatable to younger people, with horrible comics, strippers, and no more that 5 minutes of the movie allowed to roll between bits. Unwatchable.
Right. Means something like "small garden where several crops are grown." Also, "El Cerrito" means "The Cerrito", in case you were wondering.
Ja Ja Ja Je Je Je....
All right you guys...
Don't spam me... can we compromise???
... Milpitas means "Corn Hos"... with Tassels
Tod: Sorry -- I am terrible with PMs.
TDM was written by Steve Schwartz and later Sean Findlay.
Steve was a large man with a black afro and full sideburns/beard... kinda' resembled pictures of Rasputin. He had a prosthetic leg from a motorcycle accident. It was uncomfortable, so he usually used a crutch. too.
He would come into the store with his Apple ][ serial #009 (case with no air vents) and sit and program... Often removing his prosthetic leg. Sometimes he would get frustrated and jump up and start complaining about this or that reason that the Apple ][ and BASIC wasn't a real computer.
You have to visualize this imposing man, hopping around on one leg, waving his crutch about while bellowing curses at an inanimate object.
Steve was a friend, talented programmer and one of the real pioneers in microcomputers.
... Sigh! ... Great times.
I'll PM you with my email if you want to know more.
I'm enjoying the Milpitas chat as much as the next guy, but the fab is in Dresden, as in Deutschland. At least that's what the press release says. I had to check this, because I know how hostile the laws are to business in USA, and especially CA, and I simply didn't believe that any sane individual would bring any form of non-boutique manufacturing to CA. It turns out I was right.
1) All of Apple’s trackpads have a physical button. If depressing it hurts your fingers then switch to tap setting.
2) Making something so robust that it withstand being run over by a Mac truck or hurled into the center of Sun "is not always better”. You have to make a tradeoff in order to make a product that is durable but still useful. Panasonic Toughbooks are considerably more durable than other notebooks, but they are designed that way. They are not what a typical consumer would want or need, especially at the premium for that ruggedness.
1- from what i see the trackpad is a single piece of aluminum (?) look on
2- A thinkpad is about the same price, i trade off looking sleek (and better) for durability.... and i used to lose Battery life (not anymore!!!)
to stay on point, why does lower price matter it is as someone said:
Apple makes chip and puts in iPad- $2
NVIDIA makes chip for $1, sells for $2 and manufacturer puts chip in Android device for 2$....
Apple should win this price war.... i don't' know whether to be shocked or horrified
other manufacturer gets chip for same as Apple but has to put in in device = costs more
I wonder if mobile device makers are improving battery life by underclocking the chip when the battery nears running out?
Would not be a bad idea, but it might make first impressions of a device not very reliable.
There are tons of power savings techniques and and the frequency scaling to the task is just an enhancement from last generation. The A5 most likely also puts unused cores to sleep otherwise their is no way to get the same battery life. For tasks that can be shared across cores the task finishes quicker and then the core sleeps until the next task. This can be done very fast. Also with OpenCL and Grand Central Dispatch, Apple has provide the tools to increase parrellism and use of GPU, so programs can enable their software to take advantage of the new SOC without a bunch of new code.
For those buys that think ARM processors will replace X86 hardware in the Macs - you are NUTS. Seriously these chips aren't even 64 bit and performance really sucks.
2.
Im actually surprised that the processor appears to be built on 45nm as Samsung apparently has the 32nm process ready to roll. That Apple was able to maintain battery life is a bit strange, it does make me wonder if they are wrong about the process size.
3.
This makes me wonder if iPhone 5 might actually see a process shrunk die. That is a 32nm or smaller process building the same basic chip. This should afford the iPhone much better battery life.
4.
I still wish Apple would come clean with the specs of the chip. All this cloak and dagger just to get an idea of what the hardware actually is, is disgusting.
1- from what i see the trackpad is a single piece of aluminum (?) look on <messed up link removed>
1) The top is glass, not aluminum.
2) It is a single piece, but why you think that means there can be no physical button remains a mystery.
3) To recap, it?s integrated into the trackpad. The button is the trackpad. So again, how do the button being integrated automatically mean it?s harder on your phalanges than a button that is separate. Either way you?re still applying force downward to a physical button.
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to stay on point, why does lower price matter it is as someone said:
Apple makes chip and puts in iPad- $2
NVIDIA makes chip for $1, sells for $2 and manufacturer puts chip in Android device for 2$....
Apple should win this price war.... i don't' know whether to be shocked or horrified
other manufacturer gets chip for same as Apple but has to put in in device = costs more
I have absolutely no idea what you?re getting at here.
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Im actually surprised that the processor appears to be built on 45nm as Samsung apparently has the 32nm process ready to roll. That Apple was able to maintain battery life is a bit strange, it does make me wonder if they are wrong about the process size.
Development comes in many stages. Samsung will have a small fab process in the works for years before it?s viable for mass production.
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I still wish Apple would come clean with the specs of the chip. All this cloak and dagger just to get an idea of what the hardware actually is, is disgusting.
I don?t get this. Why is it disgusting that Apple doesn?t list these detailed specs on the Tech Specs sheet? For what reason? I want to know as much as others on this forum, but I don?t see why it?s disgusting that Apple does out such pointless info that does nothing to sell more devices. What?s so cloak and dagger about not offering information about something so few care about?
2) It is a single piece, but why you think that means there can be no physical button remains a mystery.
3) To recap, it?s integrated into the trackpad. The button is the trackpad. So again, how do the button being integrated automatically mean it?s harder on your phalanges than a button that is separate. Either way you?re still applying force downward to a physical button.
I have absolutely no idea what you?re getting at here.
if i use it for more than 5 mins aprox my fingers start really hurting.... its a lot harder than every other trackpad/button(s) that i have used.... thank god for mice.
i wish 28nm would just happen to every chip, sadly thats not life
if i use it for more than 5 mins aprox my fingers start really hurting.... its a lot harder than every other trackpad/button(s) that i have used.... thank god for mice.
There is a screw underneath on the inside you can adjust. I'm not sure if it's for resistance or travel.
No reason to dump Samsung from Apple's point of view, rather make them use up their capacity on Apple product so that they won't be able to produce lot's of galaxy tabs at low cost.
I keep hearing people say or allude to the idea that if only competitors could ramp up production volumes, they'd be able to compete with Apple. This is backwards! If only competitors could compete with Apple (i.e. produce something customers wanted), they'd be able to ramp up production volumes.
It's a viscious cycle for them for now. Their products suck, so nobody wants them, so they can't produce tons of them, so they can't save on volume, so they can't compete on price. You end up with a crappy product nobody wants that costs more than the iPad everybody wants.
For those buys that think ARM processors will replace X86 hardware in the Macs - you are NUTS. Seriously these chips aren't even 64 bit and performance really sucks.
This is a fast moving industry. What's NUTS is saying that something can't possibly happen in the future because current conditions don't support it.
I'm highly skeptical of ARM Macs myself. But the lack of an appropriate currently-shipping chip doesn't factor into my skepticism.
I hope all the people claiming it's just Apple being stubborn at not putting on ports like USB and/or SD cards pay attention to this picture. Particularly the center of it. Thats the micro-SIM slot and look at how much space it takes! Folks who what SD card slots or USB ports - enjoy your wait...
* mac application publishers are unlikely to recompile all their code for ARM to make universal binaries. It's technically probably straightforward, but...
* even if they did do such a recompile, the much more resource hungry mac programmes would run like treacle on the A5
1) Apple has a well understood and used path for "fat binaries" that support multiple hardware architectures - the majority of software out there could probably be made compatible with minor tweaking and a recompile.
2) More resource hungry programs like PhotoShop or Final Cut probably wouldn't be the target of an A5 running notebook. I'm salivating at an ARM based MacBook AIR that could run for a week and do everything I need an ultraportable to do - with a quick refresh of my favorite lighter weight apps from the Mac App store.
It's probably a little early, but I think a blending of offerings is inevitable.
1) Apple has a well understood and used path for "fat binaries" that support multiple hardware architectures - the majority of software out there could probably be made compatible with minor tweaking and a recompile.
2) More resource hungry programs like PhotoShop or Final Cut probably wouldn't be the target of an A5 running notebook. I'm salivating at an ARM based MacBook AIR that could run for a week and do everything I need an ultraportable to do - with a quick refresh of my favorite lighter weight apps from the Mac App store.
It's probably a little early, but I think a blending of offerings is inevitable.
They use the same OS X using Darwin between v10.3.1 for all iOS-based devices and 10.6 for the current shipping Macs. They use the same SDK for the iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad and Macs? and hopefully for the AppleTV?s SDK in the future.
I think if anyone can make Mac OS X run on ARM for less expensive, low power notebooks it?s Apple. I also think if anyone can make the Motorola Atrix concept viable it?s Apple. They could even use the Mac OS UI to ARM and probably already have.
The MBAs are great but they are still expensive with that SFF ULV CPU costing as much as you find in the MBPs. That?s about ¼ to ⅓ of the sales price right there. But are these chips going to get cheaper and more power efficient? Will Cortex-A15 be sufficient for pushing the apps that people will likely want to use on a simple notebook? Is recreating the MacBook or iBook* line to be low cost ARM-based machines that run the Aqua-ish UI based on Quartz Compositor a viable market for Apple or would it eat into their overall profits or ruin their premium branding even though it would increase their sales?
* I think iBook is dead due to the confusion with the iBooks app, but I included it as it would have been a great name since iDevices use ARM processors, sans the iMac.
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No but I do remember Bob Wilkins of "Creature Feature" fame telling at least one Milpitas joke every week...
I miss Bob Wilkins and the classic creature feature format. The current KOFY scary movie thing is an attempt to make the idea palatable to younger people, with horrible comics, strippers, and no more that 5 minutes of the movie allowed to roll between bits. Unwatchable.
Not quite - it's a corruption of Ohlone and Spanish. Besides, that's a salt marsh and I dare you to grow corn in a salt marsh.
Right. Means something like "small garden where several crops are grown." Also, "El Cerrito" means "The Cerrito", in case you were wondering.
You can see more scintillating talent on free tube sites. Hell, Paul's (from the Diamond Center) Yule log is more interesting.
And don't get excited, kids. We're talking about San Jose strippers on KOFY.
You can see more scintillating talent on free tube sites. Hell, Paul's (from the Diamond Center) Yule log is more interesting.
And it all takes place in one of James Gabbert's studio dungeons, where fun has been going to die for the last 20 years.
GLOBALFOUNDRIES Launches Industry's First 28nm
ARM Cortex-A9 Processor Platform with Gate First High-K Metal Gate
Milpitas, Calif. ? September 1, 2010
A5 based on 20nm: 2GHz, 1/4 size and ultra low dissipation. Wow.
This will come close to the performance of Intel chips currently already build with a 32nm feature size. So maybe A7 is a desktop processor?
J.
Would not be a bad idea, but it might make first impressions of a device not very reliable.
I've seen people get the same program showing 950mhz+ speeds. When are all the blogs going to figure out that the proc speed is dynamic all the way up to 1ghz?
This is a 1ghz processor for sure. If it needs it, it'll ramp all the way up.
I don't know but strongly suspect that they will have lower operating points. Generally when chip vendors scale back frequency it is only so they can drop the voltage and really make some power savings (voltage squared term in the energy equation).
So that said most chip vendors usually deploy something like 100% performance, 70-80% and probably around 50%. This would give a really nice saving along with the ability to switch off one of the A9 cores
Kevin
Milpitas? MILPITAS???
The armpit of Silicon Valley?
What's a Milpitas?
Now Tod...
Don't you remember one of the radio show hosts referring oi Mavis of Milpitas?
FWIW, "milpitas" is Spanish for "little corn fields"
Milpitas, California
... though, some would claim corn tassels resemple [long] blonde pit hair
No iPad 2 for you, today!
.
Sorry, his story is better...
No but I do remember Bob Wilkins of "Creature Feature" fame telling at least one Milpitas joke every week...
Not quite - it's a corruption of Ohlone and Spanish. Besides, that's a salt marsh and I dare you to grow corn in a salt marsh.
That's what carpetbaggers and their revisionist history will do for you.
Nope. The estimated delivery date is April 1. Ha-ha!
Where's my TDM?
Regarding Dick Applebaum's contention that "milpitas" = "little corn fields:
Thanks Bageljoey, you made my (iPadless) day!
I miss Bob Wilkins and the classic creature feature format. The current KOFY scary movie thing is an attempt to make the idea palatable to younger people, with horrible comics, strippers, and no more that 5 minutes of the movie allowed to roll between bits. Unwatchable.
Right. Means something like "small garden where several crops are grown." Also, "El Cerrito" means "The Cerrito", in case you were wondering.
Ja Ja Ja Je Je Je....
All right you guys...
Don't spam me... can we compromise???
... Milpitas means "Corn Hos"... with Tassels
Tod: Sorry -- I am terrible with PMs.
TDM was written by Steve Schwartz and later Sean Findlay.
Steve was a large man with a black afro and full sideburns/beard... kinda' resembled pictures of Rasputin. He had a prosthetic leg from a motorcycle accident. It was uncomfortable, so he usually used a crutch. too.
He would come into the store with his Apple ][ serial #009 (case with no air vents) and sit and program... Often removing his prosthetic leg. Sometimes he would get frustrated and jump up and start complaining about this or that reason that the Apple ][ and BASIC wasn't a real computer.
You have to visualize this imposing man, hopping around on one leg, waving his crutch about while bellowing curses at an inanimate object.
Steve was a friend, talented programmer and one of the real pioneers in microcomputers.
... Sigh! ... Great times.
I'll PM you with my email if you want to know more.
Milpitas? MILPITAS???
The armpit of Silicon Valley?
What's a Milpitas?
I'm enjoying the Milpitas chat as much as the next guy, but the fab is in Dresden, as in Deutschland. At least that's what the press release says. I had to check this, because I know how hostile the laws are to business in USA, and especially CA, and I simply didn't believe that any sane individual would bring any form of non-boutique manufacturing to CA. It turns out I was right.
For the record, I have been to Milpitas.
1) All of Apple’s trackpads have a physical button. If depressing it hurts your fingers then switch to tap setting.
2) Making something so robust that it withstand being run over by a Mac truck or hurled into the center of Sun "is not always better”. You have to make a tradeoff in order to make a product that is durable but still useful. Panasonic Toughbooks are considerably more durable than other notebooks, but they are designed that way. They are not what a typical consumer would want or need, especially at the premium for that ruggedness.
1- from what i see the trackpad is a single piece of aluminum (?) look on
2- A thinkpad is about the same price, i trade off looking sleek (and better) for durability.... and i used to lose Battery life (not anymore!!!)
to stay on point, why does lower price matter it is as someone said:
Apple makes chip and puts in iPad- $2
NVIDIA makes chip for $1, sells for $2 and manufacturer puts chip in Android device for 2$....
Apple should win this price war.... i don't' know whether to be shocked or horrified
other manufacturer gets chip for same as Apple but has to put in in device = costs more
I wonder if mobile device makers are improving battery life by underclocking the chip when the battery nears running out?
Would not be a bad idea, but it might make first impressions of a device not very reliable.
There are tons of power savings techniques and and the frequency scaling to the task is just an enhancement from last generation. The A5 most likely also puts unused cores to sleep otherwise their is no way to get the same battery life. For tasks that can be shared across cores the task finishes quicker and then the core sleeps until the next task. This can be done very fast. Also with OpenCL and Grand Central Dispatch, Apple has provide the tools to increase parrellism and use of GPU, so programs can enable their software to take advantage of the new SOC without a bunch of new code.
For those buys that think ARM processors will replace X86 hardware in the Macs - you are NUTS. Seriously these chips aren't even 64 bit and performance really sucks.
2.
Im actually surprised that the processor appears to be built on 45nm as Samsung apparently has the 32nm process ready to roll. That Apple was able to maintain battery life is a bit strange, it does make me wonder if they are wrong about the process size.
3.
This makes me wonder if iPhone 5 might actually see a process shrunk die. That is a 32nm or smaller process building the same basic chip. This should afford the iPhone much better battery life.
4.
I still wish Apple would come clean with the specs of the chip. All this cloak and dagger just to get an idea of what the hardware actually is, is disgusting.
1- from what i see the trackpad is a single piece of aluminum (?) look on <messed up link removed>
1) The top is glass, not aluminum.
2) It is a single piece, but why you think that means there can be no physical button remains a mystery.
3) To recap, it?s integrated into the trackpad. The button is the trackpad. So again, how do the button being integrated automatically mean it?s harder on your phalanges than a button that is separate. Either way you?re still applying force downward to a physical button.
to stay on point, why does lower price matter it is as someone said:
Apple makes chip and puts in iPad- $2
NVIDIA makes chip for $1, sells for $2 and manufacturer puts chip in Android device for 2$....
Apple should win this price war.... i don't' know whether to be shocked or horrified
other manufacturer gets chip for same as Apple but has to put in in device = costs more
I have absolutely no idea what you?re getting at here.
Im actually surprised that the processor appears to be built on 45nm as Samsung apparently has the 32nm process ready to roll. That Apple was able to maintain battery life is a bit strange, it does make me wonder if they are wrong about the process size.
Development comes in many stages. Samsung will have a small fab process in the works for years before it?s viable for mass production.
I still wish Apple would come clean with the specs of the chip. All this cloak and dagger just to get an idea of what the hardware actually is, is disgusting.
I don?t get this. Why is it disgusting that Apple doesn?t list these detailed specs on the Tech Specs sheet? For what reason? I want to know as much as others on this forum, but I don?t see why it?s disgusting that Apple does out such pointless info that does nothing to sell more devices. What?s so cloak and dagger about not offering information about something so few care about?
1) The top is glass, not aluminum.
2) It is a single piece, but why you think that means there can be no physical button remains a mystery.
3) To recap, it?s integrated into the trackpad. The button is the trackpad. So again, how do the button being integrated automatically mean it?s harder on your phalanges than a button that is separate. Either way you?re still applying force downward to a physical button.
I have absolutely no idea what you?re getting at here.
if i use it for more than 5 mins aprox my fingers start really hurting.... its a lot harder than every other trackpad/button(s) that i have used.... thank god for mice.
i wish 28nm would just happen to every chip, sadly thats not life
if i use it for more than 5 mins aprox my fingers start really hurting.... its a lot harder than every other trackpad/button(s) that i have used.... thank god for mice.
There is a screw underneath on the inside you can adjust. I'm not sure if it's for resistance or travel.
No reason to dump Samsung from Apple's point of view, rather make them use up their capacity on Apple product so that they won't be able to produce lot's of galaxy tabs at low cost.
I keep hearing people say or allude to the idea that if only competitors could ramp up production volumes, they'd be able to compete with Apple. This is backwards! If only competitors could compete with Apple (i.e. produce something customers wanted), they'd be able to ramp up production volumes.
It's a viscious cycle for them for now. Their products suck, so nobody wants them, so they can't produce tons of them, so they can't save on volume, so they can't compete on price. You end up with a crappy product nobody wants that costs more than the iPad everybody wants.
Moral of the story? Buy AAPL.
1.
For those buys that think ARM processors will replace X86 hardware in the Macs - you are NUTS. Seriously these chips aren't even 64 bit and performance really sucks.
This is a fast moving industry. What's NUTS is saying that something can't possibly happen in the future because current conditions don't support it.
I'm highly skeptical of ARM Macs myself. But the lack of an appropriate currently-shipping chip doesn't factor into my skepticism.
I hope all the people claiming it's just Apple being stubborn at not putting on ports like USB and/or SD cards pay attention to this picture. Particularly the center of it. Thats the micro-SIM slot and look at how much space it takes! Folks who what SD card slots or USB ports - enjoy your wait...
They'll be able to dump Samsung by 2012 with Global Foundries now capable of stamping out ARM based solutions.
With what I see Apple ramping up to produce, I don't see Apple dropping any suppliers - just adding them.
* mac application publishers are unlikely to recompile all their code for ARM to make universal binaries. It's technically probably straightforward, but...
* even if they did do such a recompile, the much more resource hungry mac programmes would run like treacle on the A5
1) Apple has a well understood and used path for "fat binaries" that support multiple hardware architectures - the majority of software out there could probably be made compatible with minor tweaking and a recompile.
2) More resource hungry programs like PhotoShop or Final Cut probably wouldn't be the target of an A5 running notebook. I'm salivating at an ARM based MacBook AIR that could run for a week and do everything I need an ultraportable to do - with a quick refresh of my favorite lighter weight apps from the Mac App store.
It's probably a little early, but I think a blending of offerings is inevitable.
1) Apple has a well understood and used path for "fat binaries" that support multiple hardware architectures - the majority of software out there could probably be made compatible with minor tweaking and a recompile.
2) More resource hungry programs like PhotoShop or Final Cut probably wouldn't be the target of an A5 running notebook. I'm salivating at an ARM based MacBook AIR that could run for a week and do everything I need an ultraportable to do - with a quick refresh of my favorite lighter weight apps from the Mac App store.
It's probably a little early, but I think a blending of offerings is inevitable.
They use the same OS X using Darwin between v10.3.1 for all iOS-based devices and 10.6 for the current shipping Macs. They use the same SDK for the iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad and Macs? and hopefully for the AppleTV?s SDK in the future.
I think if anyone can make Mac OS X run on ARM for less expensive, low power notebooks it?s Apple. I also think if anyone can make the Motorola Atrix concept viable it?s Apple. They could even use the Mac OS UI to ARM and probably already have.
The MBAs are great but they are still expensive with that SFF ULV CPU costing as much as you find in the MBPs. That?s about ¼ to ⅓ of the sales price right there. But are these chips going to get cheaper and more power efficient? Will Cortex-A15 be sufficient for pushing the apps that people will likely want to use on a simple notebook? Is recreating the MacBook or iBook* line to be low cost ARM-based machines that run the Aqua-ish UI based on Quartz Compositor a viable market for Apple or would it eat into their overall profits or ruin their premium branding even though it would increase their sales?
* I think iBook is dead due to the confusion with the iBooks app, but I included it as it would have been a great name since iDevices use ARM processors, sans the iMac.