7" sucks. At first it's cool and hip and fits everywhere, then you get bored because you can't do much with it, it feels just like an oversized phone. And the plasticky feel. Eww. There's a reason there aren't massive (or any!) queues for the Tab and Xoom and whatever Engadget et al says is the latest and greatest.
Hmm, perhaps because 7" is more of a cost control measure spun as a "feature" than a real uesability advantage?
Perhaps Apple really did know what they were talking about when they defended the 10" form factor?
20 million cars have 1 each very large battery and 1 each alternator/generator charging the battery while the car and Flash UI are in use.
What does a car having a car battery have ANYTHING to do with the fact that the telematics units on those cars running Flash UI with a 300-400 mhz powerpc battery?
Are you saying that a 300-400 mhz powerpc chip requires a car battery to run? That doesn't seem to be the battery requirement for those chips.
this BB tab is really lame. but it will be HP that kills it. HP is the other big guy that has a first class world-wide enterprise support operation (besides MS). and its new TouchPad will be aimed squarely at the enterpirse market, rather than the consumer market that the iPad has nailed and Android wishes for.
What does a car having a car battery have ANYTHING to do with the fact that the telematics units on those cars running Flash UI with a 300-400 mhz powerpc battery?
Are you saying that a 300-400 mhz powerpc chip requires a car battery to run? That doesn't seem to be the battery requirement for those chips.
RIM themselves said that they need a dual core processors for QNX to run on phones and tablets. So 300-400 MHz processors won't cut it for consumer level tablet and phone QNX OS.
You argument is flowed. It is like saying Mac OS is running on 50+ million iPhones and iPods with 600MHz ARM processors with CocoaTouch without performance issues so Mac OS Cocoa should can also run on 600MHz ARM processors smoothly!
Dick always does rather well. That bastard makes me have to think hard about a counter argument when I disagree with him.
There are limitations to the Flash UI --- the Playbook does NOT have 3D UI like the Xoom (i.e. Xoom's music app with the CD cover and Xoom's youtube app with the concave wall of videos).
Within the confines of these limitations, there is no reason why you can't build a very small and light UI with flash.
RIM themselves said that they need a dual core processors for QNX to run on phones and tablets. So 300-400 MHz processors won't cut it for consumer level tablet and phone QNX OS.
You argument is flowed. It is like saying Mac OS is running on 50+ million iPhones and iPods with 600MHz ARM processors with CocoaTouch without performance issues so Mac OS Cocoa should can also run on 600MHz ARM processors smoothly!
Then explain why they wouldn't put it on their BB phones and why they said it requires a dual core.
The infamous engadget screen shot of the RIM Playbook battery life. Go to the video and freeze frame at 29 seconds --- the last row only has 1 CPU core. Once RIM enable the second core, top line performance and battery life will go up by a lot.
With respect to the "dual core" requirement, it was just a roundabout way to say that it will take at least that long to migrate to QNX. Nothing to do with hardware requirements.
By summer, when RIM launches the 3G and 4G Playbook --- it means that they have ported their wireless data protocols to QNX. BUT they still haven't finished porting the voice calls portion at the point. That's the timeline.
Congrats on matching the price RIM. Now try to match the specs, the screen size, the user experience, the app store and the hype. Good luck!
I'm not sure if that should really be called a match since the Playbook is 3 inches smaller than the iPad but yet both are priced at $500. I mean where do you draw the line? If a 7in vs. 10in is equal then why not a 6in vs. 10 or 5in vs. 10? Could you still say they matched the price if they came out with a 5in tablet 16gb wifi at $499? For 7inches I think the price should be lower. Unless we are to believe that there is more value in getting less. This is something I'm always trying to convince my girlfriend, so I know how to spot this trick.
The infamous engadget screen shot of the RIM Playbook battery life. Go to the video and freeze frame at 29 seconds --- the last row only has 1 CPU core. Once RIM enable the second core, top line performance and battery life will go up by a lot.
Seriously?! you are looking at two screenshots that clearly shows the PlayBook has dual core and argue that it doesn't?! The first screen in the video shows the same information as the second. The only difference is that in the first video the whole text is not showing and it is cut off at the bottom. I couldn't find any article that said the PlayBook at CES was running a single core. If that was true the press would be all over it calling out RIM regarding the dual core requirement.
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With respect to the "dual core" requirement, it was just a roundabout way to say that it will take at least that long to migrate to QNX. Nothing to do with hardware requirements.
By summer, when RIM launches the 3G and 4G Playbook --- it means that they have ported their wireless data protocols to QNX. BUT they still haven't finished porting the voice calls portion at the point. That's the timeline.
This is your opinion. RIM was pressed on this issue and they didn't indicate such thing. They insisted that they need a dual core for QNX to work on smartphone. Unless you are saying that RIM CEOs were lying.
Of course they are lying. They are in the middle of an OS transition and they still want to sell you handsets based on the old OS.
RIM bought The Astonishing Tribe --- which means that all you guys talking about how bad the Flash UI would be in terms of RAM and CPU usage, those arguments will be gone. The TAT UI is native C++. So QNX is the OS that can fit inside a floppy disk and you are getting a native C++ UI on BB7 phones --- are you saying that this thing would require a dual core CPU?
Seriously?! you are looking at two screenshots that clearly shows the PlayBook has dual core and argue that it doesn't?! The first screen in the video shows the same information as the second. The only difference is that in the first video the whole text is not showing and it is cut off at the bottom. I couldn't find any article that said the PlayBook at CES was running a single core. If that was true the press would be all over it calling out RIM regarding the dual core requirement.
This is your opinion. RIM was pressed on this issue and they didn't indicate such thing. They insisted that they need a dual core for QNX to work on smartphone. Unless you are saying that RIM CEOs were lying.
What?s weird about his comment is that he thinks he?s defending the device by saying RiM wasn?t even able to provide a decent demo about nearly a year of build up and with many other tablets demoing dual-core Cortex A9 processing at CES 2011.
What’s weird about his comment is that he thinks he’s defending the device by saying RiM wasn’t even able to provide a decent demo about nearly a year of build up and with many other tablets demoing dual-core Cortex A9 processing at CES 2011.
That's like saying that the R&D department at Apple should be ashamed for taking 3-4 years to build the iphone. RIM was never in the PC industry, was never in the tablet industry. And that all the other tablet manufacturers should be ashamed that they can't do PC style multitasking with both cores, when RIM can do it with a single core.
Of course they are lying. They are in the middle of an OS transition and they still want to sell you handsets based on the old OS.
RIM bought The Astonishing Tribe --- which means that all you guys talking about how bad the Flash UI would be in terms of RAM and CPU usage, those arguments will be gone. The TAT UI is native C++. So QNX is the OS that can fit inside a floppy disk and you are getting a native C++ UI on BB7 phones --- are you saying that this thing would require a dual core CPU?
That wasn't during CES and look how unresponsive and slow it was getting during multitasking.
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it boils down to is that they think a 7" device will fit some niche for them.
yeah, the "niche" of using a dramatically cheaper part that allows them to match the price of Apple's kit.
7" sucks. At first it's cool and hip and fits everywhere, then you get bored because you can't do much with it, it feels just like an oversized phone. And the plasticky feel. Eww. There's a reason there aren't massive (or any!) queues for the Tab and Xoom and whatever Engadget et al says is the latest and greatest.
Hmm, perhaps because 7" is more of a cost control measure spun as a "feature" than a real uesability advantage?
Perhaps Apple really did know what they were talking about when they defended the 10" form factor?
You simply can?t have a rational argument with that guy.
I think Dick did rather well - the key was the use of pictures. Maybe that's where the rest of us are going wrong
That's a smart move, taking preorders. They don't want to frustrate all their buyers with long lines and product shortages.
Believe me, there aren't going to be any long lines for this piece of crap.......
What's a DH?
No offense intended, Dick.
20 million cars have 1 each very large battery and 1 each alternator/generator charging the battery while the car and Flash UI are in use.
What does a car having a car battery have ANYTHING to do with the fact that the telematics units on those cars running Flash UI with a 300-400 mhz powerpc battery?
Are you saying that a 300-400 mhz powerpc chip requires a car battery to run? That doesn't seem to be the battery requirement for those chips.
I think Dick did rather well - the key was the use of pictures. Maybe that's where the rest of us are going wrong
Dick always does rather well. That bastard makes me have to think hard about a counter argument when I disagree with him.
RIM is the next Palm. start the death watch.
What does a car having a car battery have ANYTHING to do with the fact that the telematics units on those cars running Flash UI with a 300-400 mhz powerpc battery?
Are you saying that a 300-400 mhz powerpc chip requires a car battery to run? That doesn't seem to be the battery requirement for those chips.
RIM themselves said that they need a dual core processors for QNX to run on phones and tablets. So 300-400 MHz processors won't cut it for consumer level tablet and phone QNX OS.
You argument is flowed. It is like saying Mac OS is running on 50+ million iPhones and iPods with 600MHz ARM processors with CocoaTouch without performance issues so Mac OS Cocoa should can also run on 600MHz ARM processors smoothly!
Dick always does rather well. That bastard makes me have to think hard about a counter argument when I disagree with him.
There are limitations to the Flash UI --- the Playbook does NOT have 3D UI like the Xoom (i.e. Xoom's music app with the CD cover and Xoom's youtube app with the concave wall of videos).
Within the confines of these limitations, there is no reason why you can't build a very small and light UI with flash.
RIM themselves said that they need a dual core processors for QNX to run on phones and tablets. So 300-400 MHz processors won't cut it for consumer level tablet and phone QNX OS.
You argument is flowed. It is like saying Mac OS is running on 50+ million iPhones and iPods with 600MHz ARM processors with CocoaTouch without performance issues so Mac OS Cocoa should can also run on 600MHz ARM processors smoothly!
The Playbook was running on a single core at CES.
The Playbook was running on a single core at CES.
Source?
Then explain why they wouldn't put it on their BB phones and why they said it requires a dual core.
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Then explain why they wouldn't put it on their BB phones and why they said it requires a dual core.
The infamous engadget screen shot of the RIM Playbook battery life. Go to the video and freeze frame at 29 seconds --- the last row only has 1 CPU core. Once RIM enable the second core, top line performance and battery life will go up by a lot.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/06/b...ybook-preview/
Go to this newer video which was shot in the beginning of February --- freeze frame at 19 seconds --- the last 2 rows said Processor1 and Processor2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGF5Ympf-eU
With respect to the "dual core" requirement, it was just a roundabout way to say that it will take at least that long to migrate to QNX. Nothing to do with hardware requirements.
http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story...are/2011-02-15
By summer, when RIM launches the 3G and 4G Playbook --- it means that they have ported their wireless data protocols to QNX. BUT they still haven't finished porting the voice calls portion at the point. That's the timeline.
Congrats on matching the price RIM. Now try to match the specs, the screen size, the user experience, the app store and the hype. Good luck!
I'm not sure if that should really be called a match since the Playbook is 3 inches smaller than the iPad but yet both are priced at $500. I mean where do you draw the line? If a 7in vs. 10in is equal then why not a 6in vs. 10 or 5in vs. 10? Could you still say they matched the price if they came out with a 5in tablet 16gb wifi at $499? For 7inches I think the price should be lower. Unless we are to believe that there is more value in getting less. This is something I'm always trying to convince my girlfriend, so I know how to spot this trick.
The infamous engadget screen shot of the RIM Playbook battery life. Go to the video and freeze frame at 29 seconds --- the last row only has 1 CPU core. Once RIM enable the second core, top line performance and battery life will go up by a lot.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/06/b...ybook-preview/
Go to this newer video which was shot in the beginning of February --- freeze frame at 19 seconds --- the last 2 rows said Processor1 and Processor2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGF5Ympf-eU
Seriously?! you are looking at two screenshots that clearly shows the PlayBook has dual core and argue that it doesn't?! The first screen in the video shows the same information as the second. The only difference is that in the first video the whole text is not showing and it is cut off at the bottom. I couldn't find any article that said the PlayBook at CES was running a single core. If that was true the press would be all over it calling out RIM regarding the dual core requirement.
With respect to the "dual core" requirement, it was just a roundabout way to say that it will take at least that long to migrate to QNX. Nothing to do with hardware requirements.
http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story...are/2011-02-15
By summer, when RIM launches the 3G and 4G Playbook --- it means that they have ported their wireless data protocols to QNX. BUT they still haven't finished porting the voice calls portion at the point. That's the timeline.
This is your opinion. RIM was pressed on this issue and they didn't indicate such thing. They insisted that they need a dual core for QNX to work on smartphone. Unless you are saying that RIM CEOs were lying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sEUipZkLy0
Of course they are lying. They are in the middle of an OS transition and they still want to sell you handsets based on the old OS.
RIM bought The Astonishing Tribe --- which means that all you guys talking about how bad the Flash UI would be in terms of RAM and CPU usage, those arguments will be gone. The TAT UI is native C++. So QNX is the OS that can fit inside a floppy disk and you are getting a native C++ UI on BB7 phones --- are you saying that this thing would require a dual core CPU?
Seriously?! you are looking at two screenshots that clearly shows the PlayBook has dual core and argue that it doesn't?! The first screen in the video shows the same information as the second. The only difference is that in the first video the whole text is not showing and it is cut off at the bottom. I couldn't find any article that said the PlayBook at CES was running a single core. If that was true the press would be all over it calling out RIM regarding the dual core requirement.
This is your opinion. RIM was pressed on this issue and they didn't indicate such thing. They insisted that they need a dual core for QNX to work on smartphone. Unless you are saying that RIM CEOs were lying.
What?s weird about his comment is that he thinks he?s defending the device by saying RiM wasn?t even able to provide a decent demo about nearly a year of build up and with many other tablets demoing dual-core Cortex A9 processing at CES 2011.
What’s weird about his comment is that he thinks he’s defending the device by saying RiM wasn’t even able to provide a decent demo about nearly a year of build up and with many other tablets demoing dual-core Cortex A9 processing at CES 2011.
That's like saying that the R&D department at Apple should be ashamed for taking 3-4 years to build the iphone. RIM was never in the PC industry, was never in the tablet industry. And that all the other tablet manufacturers should be ashamed that they can't do PC style multitasking with both cores, when RIM can do it with a single core.
At the Rogers tablife event, it was clearly stated that their demo (even with multitasking) was running on a single core.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sEUipZkLy0
Of course they are lying. They are in the middle of an OS transition and they still want to sell you handsets based on the old OS.
RIM bought The Astonishing Tribe --- which means that all you guys talking about how bad the Flash UI would be in terms of RAM and CPU usage, those arguments will be gone. The TAT UI is native C++. So QNX is the OS that can fit inside a floppy disk and you are getting a native C++ UI on BB7 phones --- are you saying that this thing would require a dual core CPU?
That wasn't during CES and look how unresponsive and slow it was getting during multitasking.