This isn't "good news for Android" because it means almost certainly the Army will fork it for security reasons. The presence of a couple of good forks of the Android project will essentially destroy any chance Android has of becoming the next big consumer OS or dominating the mobile space.
If the Army doesn't fork Android, then it's just a matter of time before they switch back to iOS (although personally I think a forked Android makes much more sense for them).
Since the USA is so behind technology wise nowadays anything can happen, but the smart move would be to have their own OS (i.e. a super secure fork of Android).
Why do you think it makes sense for the Army to get in the OS business? It certainly won't be the dominant fork of the OS -- which almost guarantees that the Forked OS will be obsolete before it is released.
The Army has 550,000 "customers" and a "supply channel" inventory of 2.2 million units. How can they keep up with the hardware/software technology of hundreds of thousands of engineers and developers supporting hundreds of millions of new device advances.
I believe this is a one-shot deal, say for a period of 4 years -- similar to the IBM suitcase computer that was used to put men in space.
Not just that event. My original comment was there there has been no successful hack of the Android OS itself. If you have a source that shows otherwise, please post it. If not, then I'm not sure what "nonsense" you're referring to.
Nonsense in the sense that you are trying to make out that Android has superior security but not giving any evidence of the fact or pointing to evidence of the fact. Your original post was worded so as to make it seem like Android had a security advantage that it does not in fact have.
Now you're asking me to provide proof of the counter argument to your original argument that you provided no proof for in the first place.
If you have proof that Android is more secure than iOS as you implied, then publish it or point to it, if not then don't make that (nonsensical) assertion in a public forum.
Or you could say they abandoned all hope of being successful at Pwn2Own. There were teams that planned to do so, announcing well in advance that they'd be there. These guys work year round, not just for three days in February.
Charlie Miller, who had no problem breaking Safari in 5 seconds, had this to say at last year's Pwn2Own about Google Chrome:
"There are bugs in Chrome but they're very hard to exploit. I have a Chrome vulnerability right now but I don't know how to exploit it. It's really hard. They've got that sandbox model that's hard to get out of. With Chrome, it's a combination of things - you can't execute on the heap, the OS protections in Windows and the Sandbox."
You're correct, it doesn't mean that one OS is necessarily more secure than another in every instance. But I still haven't seen any backup for the earlier claim that Android is the worst choice because of security issues, which is the point of the little discussion I'm having with a few of you. Has nothing to do with a slam on Apple. It does have to do with answering an inaccurate claim about Android.
Prof. Peabody, I think you know the purpose of Pwn2Own, and that the discovered vunerabilities aren't released for months to give the browser or OS developers to put fixes in place. It's not a beauty contest.
If you have proof that Android is more secure than iOS as you implied, then publish it or point to it, if not then don't make that (nonsensical) assertion in a public forum.
He?ll probably point to the contest again. He?s not understand how it?s design proves nothing about the security of each OS.
If Apple?s code happen to be the only OSes not hacked first or at all, next time the same reasoning still holds. It still won?t prove a damn thing about the overall security of their software.
That's a real nice thing to say about people who lay down their lives so you can enjoy your freedoms and your liberty. You show your age with your post sir.
Unfortunately, it is quite possible to be brave and stupid at the same time. Putting your life on the line for a cause that's not worth fighting for is stupid. When will the brave men and women in the U.S. military realize what they're really doing: fighting one manufactured war after another to make their masters filthy rich?
Nonsense in the sense that you are trying to make out that Android has superior security but not giving any evidence of the fact or pointing to evidence of the fact. Your original post was worded so as to make it seem like Android had a security advantage that it does not in fact have.
Now you're asking me to provide proof of the counter argument to your original argument that you provided no proof for in the first place.
If you have proof that Android is more secure than iOS as you implied, then publish it or point to it, if not then don't make that (nonsensical) assertion in a public forum.
I did not make the claim that Android was the worst choice from a security standpoint. That would be JrAgosta. I referenced bona-fide and well-known sources who indicated that Android has never been hacked, so the claim that Android had been hacked hundreds of times was false. That would make the claim that JrAgosta made an unsupported one. I don't expect proof from anyone else. I've already posted that.
Since then a few posters have taken issue with me. I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong. Show me where I've misstated the facts just as I gave sources to show the Android OS has no publicly demonstrated security vulnerabilities. If you can't then why not accept my statement as valid? Just because some don't like the answer doesn't make it wrong.
In any case, some good has come from the discussion. Rather than accepting "common knowledge' as proof, I've sent a few posters scurrying for sources to dispute my claim, and in the process learning things they were not aware of. That's a good thing.
But seriously, in a hundred years or so people will look back in wonder at a society that deluded itself into believing that teachers are the enemy.
Couldn't agree more.
(more politics again...sorry)
Anyone see the list put out last week showing were your tax dollars are spent?
20% on military
another 2.8 of something on Homeland Security.
Education 2.9%.
What a joke. No wonder we have a nation of inbred idiots and thugs and can't built prisons fast enough. Who cares how safe your country is (which it isn't anyways...) when it's full of backwards white trash and prisoners...
Others countries with an educated population will easily pass us by and truly will own us. And all the morons who kept voting for the rich will sit around staring at each other until someone in another language tells them to get back to work...
iOS is not suitable for the military period. iOS does not allow sideloading of apps, that's basically it. Let's not try to make too much out of this news, although again, I'm sure the article is written in a way to maximize the clicks.
Actually, it does. Enterprises can set up their own internal iOS stores. And I'm sure the Army already has an enterprise distribution store in testing somewhere. Probably a few.
Unfortunately, it is quite possible to be brave and stupid at the same time. Putting your life on the line for a cause that's not worth fighting for is stupid. When will the brave men and women in the U.S. military realize what they're really doing: fighting one manufactured war after another to make their masters filthy rich?
You happen to disagree with the reasons for the conflicts, that is you right, but it doesn't give you give the right to call the members of the military stupid.
Using your flawed logic would anyone who disagreed with your view be justified in saying you are an ignorant coward? I think not.
The iPhone 4 won't last a minute in combat. It's too delicate..
Or the Army is afraid that terrorists might their hands on a soldier's iPhone, get access to consolidated.db and track an Army unit's every movement..
As far as everyone knows Android and Windows phone have same tracking issue. Apple is not the only one. You're right about iPhone not lasting in the combat though, maybe because Apple didn't built it to be in one.
This wasn't a "win" because Apple was never an option. The military wanted customizable OS and hardware. That is what Android does best and what Apple wants nothing to do with.
Androids real value is in Google making money on ad as you click on them. That's why it was given away for free. But as long as the 3rd party hardware people didn't cause the user to stray away from Google's grip they could play.
Customization and hardware choice? Give me a fu**** break. Just about every Android powered phone is the same thing. They are either made by HTC, LG or Samsung.
And when did the average consumer, the ones that make all the bank for the tech folks, give a flying f*** about customization? That is crap blogged about by fandroids.
Unfortunately, it is quite possible to be brave and stupid at the same time. Putting your life on the line for a cause that's not worth fighting for is stupid. When will the brave men and women in the U.S. military realize what they're really doing: fighting one manufactured war after another to make their masters filthy rich?
Is there anyone on this forum over ten years old?
You need to stop watching so much TV and enlist. You might learn a thing or two. Rather rapidly I would think.
You people are the strangest bunch of Apple Computer enthusiasts I have ever met. All you do is pick fights with each other and talk about everything but computing.
I am not suprised by this decision and I agree with it 100%. The Iphone is a cool and hip platform but that does not matter for military applications. Apple's closed system pretty much killed its chance at any military contract. Commercial and Military worlds are vastly different. The android platform allows for the government to have more control over the software on it's military smartphone, allow for competitive bids on upgrades, etc. Different contractors can bid on contracts to upgrade the government's smartphone software. If they went with Apple, they would be chaining themselves to a single source for the smartphones and upgrades as apple would never allow another company access to its iOS software even if it is a variant just for military smartphones. Fragmentation is not an issue for the military. The only flavor of android that matters is the one that will run on the military smartphone. I would not be surprised if the ability for the user to download and install apps is disabled for this phone as it is sucha blatant security risk. Any apps that the military needs will be developed for the military under a government contract. Any military specific apps such as Situational Awareness ("Force Tracking") needs to be specially developed anyways and will most likely be preinstalled iwth the OS. The military will not care if Angry Birds or Netflix can't run on its smartphone. If you all just drop your Apple Pom Pom's for a second and seriously think about what the military really needs out of a smartphone you will realize that teh Android platform is a better fit than Apple's proprioetary iOS.
How exactly is Google going to make money off this....
From the government contract to tailor Android OS for a military smartphone and to develop any apps the military specifically wants..... and for any additional contract for software maintenance....
Unfortunately, it is quite possible to be brave and stupid at the same time. Putting your life on the line for a cause that's not worth fighting for is stupid. When will the brave men and women in the U.S. military realize what they're really doing: fighting one manufactured war after another to make their masters filthy rich?
They are following orders, something you do in the military. If they do not want to follow orders they should not sign up
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Bingo.
This isn't "good news for Android" because it means almost certainly the Army will fork it for security reasons. The presence of a couple of good forks of the Android project will essentially destroy any chance Android has of becoming the next big consumer OS or dominating the mobile space.
If the Army doesn't fork Android, then it's just a matter of time before they switch back to iOS (although personally I think a forked Android makes much more sense for them).
Since the USA is so behind technology wise nowadays anything can happen, but the smart move would be to have their own OS (i.e. a super secure fork of Android).
Why do you think it makes sense for the Army to get in the OS business? It certainly won't be the dominant fork of the OS -- which almost guarantees that the Forked OS will be obsolete before it is released.
The Army has 550,000 "customers" and a "supply channel" inventory of 2.2 million units. How can they keep up with the hardware/software technology of hundreds of thousands of engineers and developers supporting hundreds of millions of new device advances.
I believe this is a one-shot deal, say for a period of 4 years -- similar to the IBM suitcase computer that was used to put men in space.
Well, it's not as if we were going to send troops into combat in a Lexus either.
AIR, Hummers cost more than Lexus.
Not just that event. My original comment was there there has been no successful hack of the Android OS itself. If you have a source that shows otherwise, please post it. If not, then I'm not sure what "nonsense" you're referring to.
Nonsense in the sense that you are trying to make out that Android has superior security but not giving any evidence of the fact or pointing to evidence of the fact. Your original post was worded so as to make it seem like Android had a security advantage that it does not in fact have.
Now you're asking me to provide proof of the counter argument to your original argument that you provided no proof for in the first place.
If you have proof that Android is more secure than iOS as you implied, then publish it or point to it, if not then don't make that (nonsensical) assertion in a public forum.
Or you could say they abandoned all hope of being successful at Pwn2Own. There were teams that planned to do so, announcing well in advance that they'd be there. These guys work year round, not just for three days in February.
http://thetechjournal.com/electronic...own-2011.xhtml
Like "Abandon hope all ye who enter here."?
"There are bugs in Chrome but they're very hard to exploit. I have a Chrome vulnerability right now but I don't know how to exploit it. It's really hard. They've got that sandbox model that's hard to get out of. With Chrome, it's a combination of things - you can't execute on the heap, the OS protections in Windows and the Sandbox."
You're correct, it doesn't mean that one OS is necessarily more secure than another in every instance. But I still haven't seen any backup for the earlier claim that Android is the worst choice because of security issues, which is the point of the little discussion I'm having with a few of you. Has nothing to do with a slam on Apple. It does have to do with answering an inaccurate claim about Android.
Prof. Peabody, I think you know the purpose of Pwn2Own, and that the discovered vunerabilities aren't released for months to give the browser or OS developers to put fixes in place. It's not a beauty contest.
http://h30507.www3.hp.com/t5/HP-Netw...ron/ba-p/89141
If you have proof that Android is more secure than iOS as you implied, then publish it or point to it, if not then don't make that (nonsensical) assertion in a public forum.
He?ll probably point to the contest again. He?s not understand how it?s design proves nothing about the security of each OS.
If Apple?s code happen to be the only OSes not hacked first or at all, next time the same reasoning still holds. It still won?t prove a damn thing about the overall security of their software.
That's a real nice thing to say about people who lay down their lives so you can enjoy your freedoms and your liberty. You show your age with your post sir.
Unfortunately, it is quite possible to be brave and stupid at the same time. Putting your life on the line for a cause that's not worth fighting for is stupid. When will the brave men and women in the U.S. military realize what they're really doing: fighting one manufactured war after another to make their masters filthy rich?
Nonsense in the sense that you are trying to make out that Android has superior security but not giving any evidence of the fact or pointing to evidence of the fact. Your original post was worded so as to make it seem like Android had a security advantage that it does not in fact have.
Now you're asking me to provide proof of the counter argument to your original argument that you provided no proof for in the first place.
If you have proof that Android is more secure than iOS as you implied, then publish it or point to it, if not then don't make that (nonsensical) assertion in a public forum.
I did not make the claim that Android was the worst choice from a security standpoint. That would be JrAgosta. I referenced bona-fide and well-known sources who indicated that Android has never been hacked, so the claim that Android had been hacked hundreds of times was false. That would make the claim that JrAgosta made an unsupported one. I don't expect proof from anyone else. I've already posted that.
Since then a few posters have taken issue with me. I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong. Show me where I've misstated the facts just as I gave sources to show the Android OS has no publicly demonstrated security vulnerabilities. If you can't then why not accept my statement as valid? Just because some don't like the answer doesn't make it wrong.
In any case, some good has come from the discussion. Rather than accepting "common knowledge' as proof, I've sent a few posters scurrying for sources to dispute my claim, and in the process learning things they were not aware of. That's a good thing.
But seriously, in a hundred years or so people will look back in wonder at a society that deluded itself into believing that teachers are the enemy.
Couldn't agree more.
(more politics again...sorry)
Anyone see the list put out last week showing were your tax dollars are spent?
20% on military
another 2.8 of something on Homeland Security.
Education 2.9%.
What a joke. No wonder we have a nation of inbred idiots and thugs and can't built prisons fast enough. Who cares how safe your country is (which it isn't anyways...) when it's full of backwards white trash and prisoners...
Others countries with an educated population will easily pass us by and truly will own us. And all the morons who kept voting for the rich will sit around staring at each other until someone in another language tells them to get back to work...
I think it's quite a stretch to suggest linux will become Windows when it comes to security.
Who mentioned linux?
iOS is not suitable for the military period. iOS does not allow sideloading of apps, that's basically it. Let's not try to make too much out of this news, although again, I'm sure the article is written in a way to maximize the clicks.
Actually, it does. Enterprises can set up their own internal iOS stores. And I'm sure the Army already has an enterprise distribution store in testing somewhere. Probably a few.
Unfortunately, it is quite possible to be brave and stupid at the same time. Putting your life on the line for a cause that's not worth fighting for is stupid. When will the brave men and women in the U.S. military realize what they're really doing: fighting one manufactured war after another to make their masters filthy rich?
You happen to disagree with the reasons for the conflicts, that is you right, but it doesn't give you give the right to call the members of the military stupid.
Using your flawed logic would anyone who disagreed with your view be justified in saying you are an ignorant coward? I think not.
The iPhone 4 won't last a minute in combat. It's too delicate..
Or the Army is afraid that terrorists might their hands on a soldier's iPhone, get access to consolidated.db and track an Army unit's every movement..
As far as everyone knows Android and Windows phone have same tracking issue. Apple is not the only one. You're right about iPhone not lasting in the combat though, maybe because Apple didn't built it to be in one.
This wasn't a "win" because Apple was never an option. The military wanted customizable OS and hardware. That is what Android does best and what Apple wants nothing to do with.
Androids real value is in Google making money on ad as you click on them. That's why it was given away for free. But as long as the 3rd party hardware people didn't cause the user to stray away from Google's grip they could play.
Customization and hardware choice? Give me a fu**** break. Just about every Android powered phone is the same thing. They are either made by HTC, LG or Samsung.
And when did the average consumer, the ones that make all the bank for the tech folks, give a flying f*** about customization? That is crap blogged about by fandroids.
Pull your head out of your a**.
As an active member of the armed forces, I would rather you say nothing if you can't say thank you. Grow up.
Unfortunately, it is quite possible to be brave and stupid at the same time. Putting your life on the line for a cause that's not worth fighting for is stupid. When will the brave men and women in the U.S. military realize what they're really doing: fighting one manufactured war after another to make their masters filthy rich?
Is there anyone on this forum over ten years old?
You need to stop watching so much TV and enlist. You might learn a thing or two. Rather rapidly I would think.
You people are the strangest bunch of Apple Computer enthusiasts I have ever met. All you do is pick fights with each other and talk about everything but computing.
Apple doing this well, or caring.
Not sure why this really matters in the "OS War".
How exactly is Google going to make money off this....
From the government contract to tailor Android OS for a military smartphone and to develop any apps the military specifically wants..... and for any additional contract for software maintenance....
Unfortunately, it is quite possible to be brave and stupid at the same time. Putting your life on the line for a cause that's not worth fighting for is stupid. When will the brave men and women in the U.S. military realize what they're really doing: fighting one manufactured war after another to make their masters filthy rich?
They are following orders, something you do in the military. If they do not want to follow orders they should not sign up
Now imagine the US with no military or a draft.
Airborne!