Don't presume to tell me what I will and will not do. I have no need for the Internet. I do not require it to live, nor do I need it for any pressing matters.
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I'm not a network engineer, just a union craft puke who cleans and connects fiber optic jumpers all day long and I can clearly see what's coming down the pike with LTE and/or successor technologies.
Things will fundamentally change long before this comes to pass.
1) The Droid RAZR t has LTE with a considerably larger case on two axes which means more room for internal components.
2) It's only 7.1mm on the thinnest part, not over the entire plane, unlike the iPhone which is 9.3mm over the entire plane. Again, see point 1 about the size of the device and how that relates to three-dimensional object's internal space for components.[INDENT]
3) You also don't know how good the battery life is for '3G' or what '4G' battery life will be so to assume that because it's god enough for Moto it's good enough for Apple is starting off with a failed argument.
4) It's not on the market and the iPhone 4S is. Adding that to Moto's track record it's best you wait for some testing before holding up the Droid as a breakthrough device.
It has a sealed battery that the user can't remove which is a problem for Android phones that need to remove the battery to reset the device when it freezes up on you.
edit: According to AnandTech the Droid RAZR should be about the same as the Droid Bionic. Unfortunately for Droid RAZR buyers, being a sealed battery means no option of using a camelback battery pack and the fact Moto offers such an option for the Bionic should be a sign of Android and LTE's power usage
As you can see from the first image the Droid Bionic is much worse than the iPhone even with double the battery size and without it LTE just becomes a very poor compromise if you want more than a half a day between charges.Now with WiFi data you see the Droid Bionic do considerably better, but this is WiFi, not LTE and with the extended battery pack which tells us how gigantic this extended battery pack is for the Droid Bionic, which isn't something the Droid RAZR will even have an option of using.
We had Mophie Air JuicePacks for our iPhone 3G and 3GS. They worked great -- didn't add much weight or bulk. The only problem was the mini-USB port tended to break off internally. After getting 4 free replacements from Mophie, we felt it wasn't fair to ask for any more.
With that caveat, I have the highest regard for Mophie, their products, and the way they treat their customers.
We had Mophie Air JuicePacks for our iPhone 3G and 3GS. They worked great -- didn't add much weight or bulk. The only problem was the mini-USB port tended to break off internally. After getting 4 free replacements from Mophie, we felt it wasn't fair to ask for any more.
With that caveat, I have the highest regard for Mophie, their products, and the way they treat their customers.
I used Mophie with my iPhone 3G an 3GS but with the iPhone 4 the duration was long enough that I didn't need it. It still made it quite a bit bulkier for me that it wasn't as comfortable to hold in my hand. These Android-based phones are already considerably larger than any iPhone has ever been.
I think we're decades off from that being common place. Just look at how long cellphones were around before they started replacing land lines.
And that's a simple exchange since you can only be on one phone at a time and you get plenty of minutes from your mobile network operator, or extra minutes if you fold the savings from a landline into your cellphone bill.
But data is different. Customers tend to have multiple devices they want connected, sometimes at the same time. They also need ever increasing amounts of data. Not just from lifestyle changes but from the internet itself pushing more data just to render a single website.
Consumers may even place less phone calls than they use to because of the internet. I know I sure have.
LTE might be the first that can feasibly replace cable and DSL for many customers in terms of speeds, but without a much higher data cap it's not going to be enough for a home of computers and internet capable devices. 5GB caps aren't going to cut it for a family of four with 1 desktop, 2 notebooks, 2 iPads, 4 smartphones, and a game console or two.
AT&T's current cap for DSL service is 150GB, 250GB for uverse. I didn't mean to imply that home wireless modems would have caps similar to cellular data plans. And again, these predictions by me are based in what I hear and read around me in my daily travels. I see alll this huge bandwidth capacity getting into place and it's not just going to sit there and go unused.
Whatever it is a long way off and things can change. For me it makes no difference, I'm just imagining the discussions in the board room. Maybe they will keep the same case and screen size and call it the iPhone 4SII. I don't care so I won't comment about it any more. At least not today.
I'm hoping for the iPhone WoeBeGone... followed by the iPhone Minnehaha 4U.
I think it will be iPhone 5. If they make it iPhone 6 the average person on the street is going to ask what happened to iPhone 5? Why did they skip a number?
Here on AI, we have been following each and every release since the original but the average customer isn't focused on the details so much. They see a 4 right now and would be surprised if the next phone was called 6.
Right now we are at iPhone 4.2. The next version will probably be iPhone 5.
They already skipped a number calling the iPhone2 "iPhone 3G."
I already predicted that the next 2 iPhones will be called "iPhone LTE" and "iPhone7"
I think we're decades off from that being common place. Just look at how long cellphones were around before they started replacing land lines.
And that's a simple exchange since you can only be on one phone at a time and you get plenty of minutes from your mobile network operator, or extra minutes if you fold the savings from a landline into your cellphone bill.
But data is different. Customers tend to have multiple devices they want connected, sometimes at the same time. They also need ever increasing amounts of data. Not just from lifestyle changes but from the internet itself pushing more data just to render a single website.
Consumers may even place less phone calls than they use to because of the internet. I know I sure have.
LTE might be the first that can feasibly replace cable and DSL for many customers in terms of speeds, but without a much higher data cap it's not going to be enough for a home of computers and internet capable devices. 5GB caps aren't going to cut it for a family of four with 1 desktop, 2 notebooks, 2 iPads, 4 smartphones, and a game console or two.
We have ATT Mobile, Family Plan with 2 iPhones 25GB and 30GB data, Unlimited texting and 3 feature phones. Our monthly bill runs around $200/month.
We have ATT U-verse Internet/Cable TV with 3 STBs no premium channels, no landline phone. The bill for this is about $225/month. (Previously had Comcast, about the same cost for poorer performance).
3 of our 6 iPads ( 3 iPad 1 and 3 iPad 2) have 3G -- we rarely use this... but ATT conveniently [for them] renews the service for the month after any month we use it. We probably average $15/month for 4 months -- so average of $5/month.
So, we pay ATT about $430 per month for the privilege
We also have 3 older SIMLess (WiFi) iPhones that the kids use as iPod Touches.
So we're paying ATT about $250
I have no idea how much Internet bandwidth we can handle concurrently -- but it is not unusual for 2-3 people using their WiFi connection to the Internet concurrently, streaming movies from Netflix.
We have 5GHz Airport WiFi on most devices and computers.
I think at tonight's group reading session, I'll run an experiment and fire up [1-5 iPhones and 1-6 iPads} on Netflix to see where the cutoff is.
I LTE think Service will be awesome but more stuff you add to this phone will drain the battery.Apple needs to come out with a battery that can take abuse.If I am not in my carriers zone,it drains the battery fast
Motorola has clever marketeers. It's only 7.1 mm thin if you don't count the thick part (as shown in photos above).
To you and everyone else complaining. 90% of the phone is 7.1 mm and the whole phone is no deeper than the iPhone. In fact sitting on top of it, the iPhone looks kinda clunky.
The hump is also for the camera, not because of anything for LTE.
Now as for battery life, it seems more than doable.
I know testers with it who also confirm it's the best LTE phone so far on battery life. (Good luck with the new Nexus) Not saying to run out and buy it, but my point still stands that we're rounding the LTE corner where it's more manageable than it was almost a year ago when it first hit mainstream. 2012 seems logical to see it an iPhone/iPad.
Ever since I got an iPad 2, the need for massive memory and fast internet access on my iPhone has taken a *considerable* back seat to improved battery life.
I find that I use my iPhone for web access about 10% of the time I used to since I got the iPad. Also, as I now play back movies on my iPad rather than my iPhone, I don't use anywhere near the Flash memory I used to (just ordered a 16 GB iP4S to replace my 32 GB iP3GS; I have 23 GB free on the iP3GS and couldn't justify even the 32 GB model for $100 more).
Make the battery last forever. That's the #1 priority to me.
For everything else, there's the iPad.
Now LTE on an iPad 3 would be a *very* useful addition (fortunately, I've got the "all you can eat" data plan on the iPad ).
Speedtest, on an iPhone 4S moments ago: 0.7Mbps down/0.03Mbps up. 4G speeds my foot. If AT&T can get us consistent 3G speeds (3Mbps down), I'll be perfectly happy.
Improve your bandwidth in NYC, AT&T! Four years of abysmal failure is long enough.
iP4S SF East Bay
ATT 3G
Down 4.71 Mbps; Up 1.26 Mbps
Down 3.97 Mbps; Up 1.11 Mbps
Down 4.44 Mbps; Up 1.06 Mbps
ATT Uverse WiFi 5GHz
Down 7.25 Mbps; Up 1.34 Mbps
Down 4.73 Mbps; Up 1.12 Mbps
Down 5.70 Mbps; Up 1.37 Mbps
Boy it really sucks to be on ATT in NYC... take the rest of the day off and go down to Wall Street...
Ever since I got an iPad 2, the need for massive memory and fast internet access on my iPhone has taken a *considerable* back seat to improved battery life.
I find that I use my iPhone for web access about 10% of the time I used to since I got the iPad. Also, as I now play back movies on my iPad rather than my iPhone, I don't use anywhere near the Flash memory I used to (just ordered a 16 GB iP4S to replace my 32 GB iP3GS; I have 23 GB free on the iP3GS and couldn't justify even the 32 GB model for $100 more).
Make the battery last forever. That's the #1 priority to me.
For everything else, there's the iPad.
Now LTE on an iPad 3 would be a *very* useful addition (fortunately, I've got the "all you can eat" data plan on the iPad ).
I think Siri will, likely increase your Internet usage... but it will be a lot less than doing individual web searches -- and you will avoid using precious bandwidth for annoying and irritating ads.
When the carrier-agnostic iPhone is released next month, we will, likely, buy an iPhone (SIMLess) for my 13-year-old grandson who has a lazy speech habit. He was all over Siri when I got the 4S. If Siri can get him to slow down and enunciate properly it will surpass all the speech therapy we've tried.
from a guy who constantly posts on the internet all day long.....nuff said!
Over 5400 posts in a little over a year. Let's see 5400/365 = 15 posts per day on one single website alone. That's some serious Internet usage in most books.
I think Siri will, likely increase your Internet usage... but it will be a lot less than doing individual web searches -- and you will avoid using precious bandwidth for annoying and irritating ads.
When the carrier-agnostic iPhone is released next month, we will, likely, buy an iPhone (SIMLess) for my 13-year-old grandson who has a lazy speech habit. He was all over Siri when I got the 4S. If Siri can get him to slow down and enunciate properly it will surpass all the speech therapy we've tried.
Very nice! That is awesome use of technology!!!!
Can you imagine having Siri integrated in a WiFi TV (55 inch) set? You would never have to leave you sofa!
initial rollout makes more sense for the iPad than iPhone. More battery capacity and more likely to be running apps that can utilize the bandwidth. Maybe some intelligent switching between antennas to optimize use of 4G.
1) The Droid RAZR t has LTE with a considerably larger case on two axes which means more room for internal components.
2) It's only 7.1mm on the thinnest part, not over the entire plane, unlike the iPhone which is 9.3mm over the entire plane. Again, see point 1 about the size of the device and how that relates to three-dimensional object's internal space for components.
3) You also don't know how good the battery life is for '3G' or what '4G' battery life will be so to assume that because it's god enough for Moto it's good enough for Apple is starting off with a failed argument.
4) It's not on the market and the iPhone 4S is. Adding that to Moto's track record it's best you wait for some testing before holding up the Droid as a breakthrough device.
It has a sealed battery that the user can't remove which is a problem for Android phones that need to remove the battery to reset the device when it freezes up on you.
edit: According to AnandTech the Droid RAZR should be about the same as the Droid Bionic. Unfortunately for Droid RAZR buyers, being a sealed battery means no option of using a camelback battery pack and the fact Moto offers such an option for the Bionic should be a sign of Android and LTE's power usage
As you can see from the first image the Droid Bionic is much worse than the iPhone even with double the battery size and without it LTE just becomes a very poor compromise if you want more than a half a day between charges.
Now with WiFi data you see the Droid Bionic do considerably better, but this is WiFi, not LTE and with the extended battery pack which tells us how gigantic this extended battery pack is for the Droid Bionic, which isn't something the Droid RAZR will even have an option of using.
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Yeah, right.
Don't presume to tell me what I will and will not do. I have no need for the Internet. I do not require it to live, nor do I need it for any pressing matters.
I'm not a network engineer, just a union craft puke who cleans and connects fiber optic jumpers all day long and I can clearly see what's coming down the pike with LTE and/or successor technologies.
Things will fundamentally change long before this comes to pass.
1) The Droid RAZR t has LTE with a considerably larger case on two axes which means more room for internal components.
2) It's only 7.1mm on the thinnest part, not over the entire plane, unlike the iPhone which is 9.3mm over the entire plane. Again, see point 1 about the size of the device and how that relates to three-dimensional object's internal space for components.[INDENT]
3) You also don't know how good the battery life is for '3G' or what '4G' battery life will be so to assume that because it's god enough for Moto it's good enough for Apple is starting off with a failed argument.
4) It's not on the market and the iPhone 4S is. Adding that to Moto's track record it's best you wait for some testing before holding up the Droid as a breakthrough device.
It has a sealed battery that the user can't remove which is a problem for Android phones that need to remove the battery to reset the device when it freezes up on you.
edit: According to AnandTech the Droid RAZR should be about the same as the Droid Bionic. Unfortunately for Droid RAZR buyers, being a sealed battery means no option of using a camelback battery pack and the fact Moto offers such an option for the Bionic should be a sign of Android and LTE's power usageAs you can see from the first image the Droid Bionic is much worse than the iPhone even with double the battery size and without it LTE just becomes a very poor compromise if you want more than a half a day between charges.Now with WiFi data you see the Droid Bionic do considerably better, but this is WiFi, not LTE and with the extended battery pack which tells us how gigantic this extended battery pack is for the Droid Bionic, which isn't something the Droid RAZR will even have an option of using.
We had Mophie Air JuicePacks for our iPhone 3G and 3GS. They worked great -- didn't add much weight or bulk. The only problem was the mini-USB port tended to break off internally. After getting 4 free replacements from Mophie, we felt it wasn't fair to ask for any more.
With that caveat, I have the highest regard for Mophie, their products, and the way they treat their customers.
We had Mophie Air JuicePacks for our iPhone 3G and 3GS. They worked great -- didn't add much weight or bulk. The only problem was the mini-USB port tended to break off internally. After getting 4 free replacements from Mophie, we felt it wasn't fair to ask for any more.
With that caveat, I have the highest regard for Mophie, their products, and the way they treat their customers.
I used Mophie with my iPhone 3G an 3GS but with the iPhone 4 the duration was long enough that I didn't need it. It still made it quite a bit bulkier for me that it wasn't as comfortable to hold in my hand. These Android-based phones are already considerably larger than any iPhone has ever been.
I think we're decades off from that being common place. Just look at how long cellphones were around before they started replacing land lines.
And that's a simple exchange since you can only be on one phone at a time and you get plenty of minutes from your mobile network operator, or extra minutes if you fold the savings from a landline into your cellphone bill.
But data is different. Customers tend to have multiple devices they want connected, sometimes at the same time. They also need ever increasing amounts of data. Not just from lifestyle changes but from the internet itself pushing more data just to render a single website.
Consumers may even place less phone calls than they use to because of the internet. I know I sure have.
LTE might be the first that can feasibly replace cable and DSL for many customers in terms of speeds, but without a much higher data cap it's not going to be enough for a home of computers and internet capable devices. 5GB caps aren't going to cut it for a family of four with 1 desktop, 2 notebooks, 2 iPads, 4 smartphones, and a game console or two.
AT&T's current cap for DSL service is 150GB, 250GB for uverse. I didn't mean to imply that home wireless modems would have caps similar to cellular data plans. And again, these predictions by me are based in what I hear and read around me in my daily travels. I see alll this huge bandwidth capacity getting into place and it's not just going to sit there and go unused.
Whatever it is a long way off and things can change. For me it makes no difference, I'm just imagining the discussions in the board room. Maybe they will keep the same case and screen size and call it the iPhone 4SII. I don't care so I won't comment about it any more. At least not today.
I'm hoping for the iPhone WoeBeGone... followed by the iPhone Minnehaha 4U.
I think it will be iPhone 5. If they make it iPhone 6 the average person on the street is going to ask what happened to iPhone 5? Why did they skip a number?
Here on AI, we have been following each and every release since the original but the average customer isn't focused on the details so much. They see a 4 right now and would be surprised if the next phone was called 6.
Right now we are at iPhone 4.2. The next version will probably be iPhone 5.
They already skipped a number calling the iPhone2 "iPhone 3G."
I already predicted that the next 2 iPhones will be called "iPhone LTE" and "iPhone7"
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showp...8&postcount=54
I think we're decades off from that being common place. Just look at how long cellphones were around before they started replacing land lines.
And that's a simple exchange since you can only be on one phone at a time and you get plenty of minutes from your mobile network operator, or extra minutes if you fold the savings from a landline into your cellphone bill.
But data is different. Customers tend to have multiple devices they want connected, sometimes at the same time. They also need ever increasing amounts of data. Not just from lifestyle changes but from the internet itself pushing more data just to render a single website.
Consumers may even place less phone calls than they use to because of the internet. I know I sure have.
LTE might be the first that can feasibly replace cable and DSL for many customers in terms of speeds, but without a much higher data cap it's not going to be enough for a home of computers and internet capable devices. 5GB caps aren't going to cut it for a family of four with 1 desktop, 2 notebooks, 2 iPads, 4 smartphones, and a game console or two.
We have ATT Mobile, Family Plan with 2 iPhones 25GB and 30GB data, Unlimited texting and 3 feature phones. Our monthly bill runs around $200/month.
We have ATT U-verse Internet/Cable TV with 3 STBs no premium channels, no landline phone. The bill for this is about $225/month. (Previously had Comcast, about the same cost for poorer performance).
3 of our 6 iPads ( 3 iPad 1 and 3 iPad 2) have 3G -- we rarely use this... but ATT conveniently [for them] renews the service for the month after any month we use it. We probably average $15/month for 4 months -- so average of $5/month.
So, we pay ATT about $430 per month for the privilege
We also have 3 older SIMLess (WiFi) iPhones that the kids use as iPod Touches.
So we're paying ATT about $250
I have no idea how much Internet bandwidth we can handle concurrently -- but it is not unusual for 2-3 people using their WiFi connection to the Internet concurrently, streaming movies from Netflix.
We have 5GHz Airport WiFi on most devices and computers.
I think at tonight's group reading session, I'll run an experiment and fire up [1-5 iPhones and 1-6 iPads} on Netflix to see where the cutoff is.
Any bets?
Casey Mahoney Brad P
I'll just not have Internet. Simple.
So, uh? why does the industry think it can cap us, throttle us, and overcharge us for trash networks?
Yeah...we can't wait!
Yeah...we can't wait!
This from the guy who can't possibly comprehend a human being owning an iPhone without having paid a telecom to do so.
Abject nonsense, you are.
Motorola has clever marketeers. It's only 7.1 mm thin if you don't count the thick part (as shown in photos above).
To you and everyone else complaining. 90% of the phone is 7.1 mm and the whole phone is no deeper than the iPhone. In fact sitting on top of it, the iPhone looks kinda clunky.
The hump is also for the camera, not because of anything for LTE.
Now as for battery life, it seems more than doable.
I know testers with it who also confirm it's the best LTE phone so far on battery life. (Good luck with the new Nexus) Not saying to run out and buy it, but my point still stands that we're rounding the LTE corner where it's more manageable than it was almost a year ago when it first hit mainstream. 2012 seems logical to see it an iPhone/iPad.
This from the guy who can't possibly comprehend a human being owning an iPhone without having paid a telecom to do so.
Abject nonsense, you are.
I'll just not have Internet. Simple.
from a guy who constantly posts on the internet all day long.....nuff said!
I find that I use my iPhone for web access about 10% of the time I used to since I got the iPad. Also, as I now play back movies on my iPad rather than my iPhone, I don't use anywhere near the Flash memory I used to (just ordered a 16 GB iP4S to replace my 32 GB iP3GS; I have 23 GB free on the iP3GS and couldn't justify even the 32 GB model for $100 more).
Make the battery last forever. That's the #1 priority to me.
For everything else, there's the iPad.
Now LTE on an iPad 3 would be a *very* useful addition (fortunately, I've got the "all you can eat" data plan on the iPad
Speedtest, on an iPhone 4S moments ago: 0.7Mbps down/0.03Mbps up. 4G speeds my foot. If AT&T can get us consistent 3G speeds (3Mbps down), I'll be perfectly happy.
Improve your bandwidth in NYC, AT&T! Four years of abysmal failure is long enough.
iP4S SF East Bay
ATT 3G
Down 4.71 Mbps; Up 1.26 Mbps
Down 3.97 Mbps; Up 1.11 Mbps
Down 4.44 Mbps; Up 1.06 Mbps
ATT Uverse WiFi 5GHz
Down 7.25 Mbps; Up 1.34 Mbps
Down 4.73 Mbps; Up 1.12 Mbps
Down 5.70 Mbps; Up 1.37 Mbps
Boy it really sucks to be on ATT in NYC... take the rest of the day off and go down to Wall Street...
Ever since I got an iPad 2, the need for massive memory and fast internet access on my iPhone has taken a *considerable* back seat to improved battery life.
I find that I use my iPhone for web access about 10% of the time I used to since I got the iPad. Also, as I now play back movies on my iPad rather than my iPhone, I don't use anywhere near the Flash memory I used to (just ordered a 16 GB iP4S to replace my 32 GB iP3GS; I have 23 GB free on the iP3GS and couldn't justify even the 32 GB model for $100 more).
Make the battery last forever. That's the #1 priority to me.
For everything else, there's the iPad.
Now LTE on an iPad 3 would be a *very* useful addition (fortunately, I've got the "all you can eat" data plan on the iPad
I think Siri will, likely increase your Internet usage... but it will be a lot less than doing individual web searches -- and you will avoid using precious bandwidth for annoying and irritating ads.
When the carrier-agnostic iPhone is released next month, we will, likely, buy an iPhone (SIMLess) for my 13-year-old grandson who has a lazy speech habit. He was all over Siri when I got the 4S. If Siri can get him to slow down and enunciate properly it will surpass all the speech therapy we've tried.
I'll just not have Internet. Simple.
from a guy who constantly posts on the internet all day long.....nuff said!
Over 5400 posts in a little over a year. Let's see 5400/365 = 15 posts per day on one single website alone. That's some serious Internet usage in most books.
I think Siri will, likely increase your Internet usage... but it will be a lot less than doing individual web searches -- and you will avoid using precious bandwidth for annoying and irritating ads.
When the carrier-agnostic iPhone is released next month, we will, likely, buy an iPhone (SIMLess) for my 13-year-old grandson who has a lazy speech habit. He was all over Siri when I got the 4S. If Siri can get him to slow down and enunciate properly it will surpass all the speech therapy we've tried.
Very nice! That is awesome use of technology!!!!
Can you imagine having Siri integrated in a WiFi TV (55 inch) set? You would never have to leave you sofa!
1) The Droid RAZR t has LTE with a considerably larger case on two axes which means more room for internal components.
2) It's only 7.1mm on the thinnest part, not over the entire plane, unlike the iPhone which is 9.3mm over the entire plane. Again, see point 1 about the size of the device and how that relates to three-dimensional object's internal space for components.3) You also don't know how good the battery life is for '3G' or what '4G' battery life will be so to assume that because it's god enough for Moto it's good enough for Apple is starting off with a failed argument.
4) It's not on the market and the iPhone 4S is. Adding that to Moto's track record it's best you wait for some testing before holding up the Droid as a breakthrough device.
It has a sealed battery that the user can't remove which is a problem for Android phones that need to remove the battery to reset the device when it freezes up on you.
edit: According to AnandTech the Droid RAZR should be about the same as the Droid Bionic. Unfortunately for Droid RAZR buyers, being a sealed battery means no option of using a camelback battery pack and the fact Moto offers such an option for the Bionic should be a sign of Android and LTE's power usageAs you can see from the first image the Droid Bionic is much worse than the iPhone even with double the battery size and without it LTE just becomes a very poor compromise if you want more than a half a day between charges.Now with WiFi data you see the Droid Bionic do considerably better, but this is WiFi, not LTE and with the extended battery pack which tells us how gigantic this extended battery pack is for the Droid Bionic, which isn't something the Droid RAZR will even have an option of using.
+1 Great post. But I'm still getting the RAZR.