It's not about freedom of expression. He was at work when this happened. Do you have complete freedom of expression at your job?</strong><hr></blockquote>
He signed an autograph for a mutual friend of him and Shawn Springs sitting in the luxury box right behind the end-zone. There wasn't any taunting, slandering, or aggression involved. What's the big deal?
I don't think anybody is looking to put Owens in jail over this. Freedom of expression also means that people get to criticize players when they behave like idiots. I'm perfectly okay with what Owens did yesterday. I wasn't okay with it a few years ago when he ran out to the star in the center of the field in Dallas after he scored a touchdown. That one pissed off Emmitt so much that he ran out and tackled him. I didn't blame Emmitt for reacting that way and that kind of highlighted why it was so wrong. Behavior that crosses a line can be counterproductive. Beating the other football team can be hard enough without giving them additional psychological ammunition.</strong><hr></blockquote>
When he did that after his first touchdown reception, nobody in the stands made a big deal. It was only after he got tackled by Emmitt (was it?) on his second touchdown when the fans decided it wasn't okay.
"UHH, WE'RE 0-13 BUT WE CAN'T LET HIM DISRESPECT US IN OUR HOUSE."
It was GeorgeTeague that tackled him at Dallas (they had a TON of stuff about this on Sportscenter today.)
I'm really suprised people are this pissed, I haven't seen any of the Seahawks bitch about it. He's not even going to be fined. If the No Fun League isn't getting their shorts in a knot, who should?
Terrell's comment: "If people around the league don't like my celebrations, they should keep me out of the end-zone!"
I think he has to go to counselling now and he's on some kind of drug program. I'm not sure how it's being handled.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm not equating signing a football and whoever the moron was that hit a meter maid...
That's why I quoted you initially when you said, "It is not the NFL's job to...." - Because I think it partially is their job. My argument is just that while I don't think having him sign a football in the endzone bothers me, maybe it should bother the NFL. After all, these people represent the NFL, and it, last I checked, wasn't a public service. So if these players are going to represent the NFL, they should have to follow some guidelines... and continuing along that thought pattern, should the NFL continue to want those people to work for them, the NFL should take responsibility and make it their job to teach these people some proper behaviour.
My reply was all about the fact that I think it is the NFL's job to teach these people how to act at times, and with a code of conduct rule, the NFL agrees... at least on paper. So you misinterpreted my entire post, I'm going to bust your kneecaps when we get back to the moderator lounge...
It's not about freedom of expression. He was at work when this happened. Do you have complete freedom of expression at your job?</strong><hr></blockquote>
By law, yes. If I decided to do something outrageous, I'm sure it would raise a few eyebrows, but unless I invaded someone's property, I think I'd be OK.
And, boys and girls, his job is to be an entertainer. I think he was doing a pretty good job.
And for the fascist comment, I wasn't refering to your right to be annoyed, I was referring to the calls to "ban him from the NFL." The fact that, just because someone does something you don't like, he should be BANNED from the NFL. Don't worry so much about your neighbors. Worry about yourself instead. Was he even insulting you? I can't see why. Maybe you can give me a reason.
And for the fascist comment, I wasn't refering to your right to be annoyed, I was referring to the calls to "ban him from the NFL." The fact that, just because someone does something you don't like, he should be BANNED from the NFL. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Fair enough but that was hardly the consensus here. Again, my take is that Owens sometimes is a pain-in-the-butt but this incident just shouldn't be an issue.
[quote]And for the fascist comment, I wasn't refering to your right to be annoyed, I was referring to the calls to "ban him from the NFL." <hr></blockquote>
Actually banning him wouldn't be the right thing. The right thing would be for his coach to sit him down or for a linebacker to take out his knees. I was actually thinking how cool it would be if a wide reciever was doing that stupid "first down" signal at the end of a catch if some line backer would just come out of nowhere and blind side em.
This really isn't worth arguing about, but did you guys think it was cool when that kid did his home run trot in the little league world series? Do you think it's cool when a guy just stands there watching his home run only to see it fall short? How about when a guy celebrates a score when his team is getting decimated?
This really isn't worth arguing about, but did you guys think it was cool when that kid did his home run trot in the little league world series? Do you think it's cool when a guy just stands there watching his home run only to see it fall short? How about when a guy celebrates a score when his team is getting decimated?</strong><hr></blockquote>
You almost never see anybody staring at his home-run ball unless it's obviously going out. Especially if the ball is hugging the foul line. Or are you going to verbally attack Fisk for his World Series home-run ball at Fenway? (The one you see on the Memorable Moments commercials)
If a guy stands there to watch his home-run ball, he's making a choice not to run. If it ends up bouncing off the wall, he'll look a little silly for not running and getting extra bases.
If a guy celebrates a score after his team is decimated, he's a little bit foolish. The 49ers were not getting decimated. This almost applies to the Cowboys more than it does Owens...
"UHH, WE'RE 0-13 BUT WE CAN'T LET HIM DISRESPECT US IN OUR HOUSE."
What are the consequences of signing an autograph for a specific person?
"You have a white guy as an announcer and sportscaster," Owens was quoted as saying in the San Francisco Examiner. "Me, I'm black. I do it and I've already done some stuff in the past.
"We're (African-Americans) more expressive than the white guys," Owen said. "You look at the skilled players. We're the ones that get into the end zone. We get in the end zone more than they do."
Straight from Terrell Owens' fat mouth. Nice way to pull the race card.
<strong>I was actually thinking how cool it would be if a wide reciever was doing that stupid "first down" signal at the end of a catch if some line backer would just come out of nowhere and blind side em.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I just don't get it. WTF does the NFL have against celebrating? If a guy wants to dance around, spike a ball, sign something, swing from the goal posts... etc etc... Who really cares? It's between plays anyway. I bet the fans love it, or love to hate it, so either way it's not a bad thing. Sports involve head games and the players ought to be allowed to engage them (for better or worse, they can back-fire afterall). It's all part of the drama.
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It's not about freedom of expression. He was at work when this happened. Do you have complete freedom of expression at your job?</strong><hr></blockquote>
He signed an autograph for a mutual friend of him and Shawn Springs sitting in the luxury box right behind the end-zone. There wasn't any taunting, slandering, or aggression involved. What's the big deal?
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I don't think anybody is looking to put Owens in jail over this. Freedom of expression also means that people get to criticize players when they behave like idiots. I'm perfectly okay with what Owens did yesterday. I wasn't okay with it a few years ago when he ran out to the star in the center of the field in Dallas after he scored a touchdown. That one pissed off Emmitt so much that he ran out and tackled him. I didn't blame Emmitt for reacting that way and that kind of highlighted why it was so wrong. Behavior that crosses a line can be counterproductive. Beating the other football team can be hard enough without giving them additional psychological ammunition.</strong><hr></blockquote>
When he did that after his first touchdown reception, nobody in the stands made a big deal. It was only after he got tackled by Emmitt (was it?) on his second touchdown when the fans decided it wasn't okay.
"UHH, WE'RE 0-13 BUT WE CAN'T LET HIM DISRESPECT US IN OUR HOUSE."
I'm really suprised people are this pissed, I haven't seen any of the Seahawks bitch about it. He's not even going to be fined. If the No Fun League isn't getting their shorts in a knot, who should?
Terrell's comment: "If people around the league don't like my celebrations, they should keep me out of the end-zone!"
Jeff
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Well that makes a lot more sense.
Old men get senile, he probably thought T.O. was trying to steal his social security check.
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I think he has to go to counselling now and he's on some kind of drug program. I'm not sure how it's being handled.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm not equating signing a football and whoever the moron was that hit a meter maid...
That's why I quoted you initially when you said, "It is not the NFL's job to...." - Because I think it partially is their job. My argument is just that while I don't think having him sign a football in the endzone bothers me, maybe it should bother the NFL. After all, these people represent the NFL, and it, last I checked, wasn't a public service. So if these players are going to represent the NFL, they should have to follow some guidelines... and continuing along that thought pattern, should the NFL continue to want those people to work for them, the NFL should take responsibility and make it their job to teach these people some proper behaviour.
My reply was all about the fact that I think it is the NFL's job to teach these people how to act at times, and with a code of conduct rule, the NFL agrees... at least on paper. So you misinterpreted my entire post, I'm going to bust your kneecaps when we get back to the moderator lounge...
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It's not about freedom of expression. He was at work when this happened. Do you have complete freedom of expression at your job?</strong><hr></blockquote>
By law, yes. If I decided to do something outrageous, I'm sure it would raise a few eyebrows, but unless I invaded someone's property, I think I'd be OK.
And, boys and girls, his job is to be an entertainer. I think he was doing a pretty good job.
And for the fascist comment, I wasn't refering to your right to be annoyed, I was referring to the calls to "ban him from the NFL." The fact that, just because someone does something you don't like, he should be BANNED from the NFL. Don't worry so much about your neighbors. Worry about yourself instead. Was he even insulting you? I can't see why. Maybe you can give me a reason.
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And for the fascist comment, I wasn't refering to your right to be annoyed, I was referring to the calls to "ban him from the NFL." The fact that, just because someone does something you don't like, he should be BANNED from the NFL. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Fair enough but that was hardly the consensus here. Again, my take is that Owens sometimes is a pain-in-the-butt but this incident just shouldn't be an issue.
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Actually banning him wouldn't be the right thing. The right thing would be for his coach to sit him down or for a linebacker to take out his knees. I was actually thinking how cool it would be if a wide reciever was doing that stupid "first down" signal at the end of a catch if some line backer would just come out of nowhere and blind side em.
This really isn't worth arguing about, but did you guys think it was cool when that kid did his home run trot in the little league world series? Do you think it's cool when a guy just stands there watching his home run only to see it fall short? How about when a guy celebrates a score when his team is getting decimated?
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This really isn't worth arguing about, but did you guys think it was cool when that kid did his home run trot in the little league world series? Do you think it's cool when a guy just stands there watching his home run only to see it fall short? How about when a guy celebrates a score when his team is getting decimated?</strong><hr></blockquote>
You almost never see anybody staring at his home-run ball unless it's obviously going out. Especially if the ball is hugging the foul line. Or are you going to verbally attack Fisk for his World Series home-run ball at Fenway? (The one you see on the Memorable Moments commercials)
If a guy stands there to watch his home-run ball, he's making a choice not to run. If it ends up bouncing off the wall, he'll look a little silly for not running and getting extra bases.
If a guy celebrates a score after his team is decimated, he's a little bit foolish. The 49ers were not getting decimated. This almost applies to the Cowboys more than it does Owens...
"UHH, WE'RE 0-13 BUT WE CAN'T LET HIM DISRESPECT US IN OUR HOUSE."
What are the consequences of signing an autograph for a specific person?
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<strong>I wonder how long it will take for that ball to make it on Ebay.</strong><hr></blockquote>
i am wondering the same thing... what do you think? $5000? $10000 who is retarded enough to buy it for that much?
"We're (African-Americans) more expressive than the white guys," Owen said. "You look at the skilled players. We're the ones that get into the end zone. We get in the end zone more than they do."
Straight from Terrell Owens' fat mouth. Nice way to pull the race card.
<strong>I was actually thinking how cool it would be if a wide reciever was doing that stupid "first down" signal at the end of a catch if some line backer would just come out of nowhere and blind side em.</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
For having an <a href="http://msn.espn.go.com/nfl/news/2002/1017/1447321.html"; target="_blank">untucked shirt!</a>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Silly NFL!
Jeff
step one) TO makes an ill-advised, but harmless move.
step two) The media makes a big deal out of nothing.
step three) The NFL makes a bone-headed decision to find some way to fine TO.
step four) TO tries to make it a race issue.
step five?) Who knows?