75% of Apple stores sold out of iPhone 4S on Black Friday, iPad sales up 68%

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  • Reply 41 of 85
    docno42docno42 Posts: 3,761member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


    I'm actually worried about the rumours of Apple's next iPad using displays from 3 different sources, which is indirect proof they are trying hard to keep up with demand. If multiple competitors are getting all the business they can handle there could be less of a chance for these manufactures to worry about quality control as much as much per component which could escape Apple's quality control in the final product. That's just speculation, but I did replace my iPad 2 because of excessive backlight bleeding.



    I see it exactly the opposite. With only one or two manufacturers now, if one has quality issues what is Apple going to do - not use them and not ship iPads? I imagine the screen issues on the iPad2 infuriate plenty of managers at Apple - not just SJ when he was alive.



    By investing in multiple companies, Apple is putting them all on notice "Hey you guys, you can be replaced - even if we have to build up your competitors to do it!". People who think Apple won't change due to being 'backed into a corner" need to ask first Motorola and then IBM about how committed Apple can be to maintaining the status quo "just because".
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  • Reply 42 of 85
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
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    Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post


    I see it exactly the opposite. With only one or two manufacturers now, if one has quality issues what is Apple going to do - not use them and not ship iPads? I imagine the screen issues on the iPad2 infuriate plenty of managers at Apple - not just SJ when he was alive.



    By investing in multiple companies, Apple is putting them all on notice "Hey you guys, you can be replaced - even if we have to build up your competitors to do it!". People who think Apple won't change due to being 'backed into a corner" need to ask first Motorola and then IBM about how committed Apple can be to maintaining the status quo "just because".



    If they are investing in multiple vendors to have backups then sure, but they already have primaries and backups that already play off each other. What I'm seeing is all the vendors being pushed to capacity so that there is no viable backup to steal business from? at least not on the onset. If after the initial demand dies they can then leverage these suppliers against each other, but at first I see them going all in.
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  • Reply 43 of 85
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    Why should we "know that"? Based on what? Meaningless and uniformed internet speculation that has nothing more than quantity of repeat storytelling as it's pedigree?

    Both of which were events that happened exactly once - almost as if the manufacturers underestimated supply, ran out, and then compensated the next year.

    Wow! Amazing!

    Yup, rather than actually sell products to anyone who would buy them, the manufacturers artificially limited them to get the sales... next year? The day after Christmas? Exactly when is the best time to stop artificially constraining supply and actually selling your product to anyone who wants one anyway?





    In Defense of the Idea that Apple Intentially limits supply;



    I of course do not know because I do not work for apple, but I firmly believe that Apple is not dumb, and will use all available market tatics to ensure the highest profit. (Not the most units sold) conversely, Apple isn't simply going to ignore market economics and shoot itself in the foot.



    Achieving the highest profit sometimes means not trying to sell to everyone, (flooding the market) it is a fine line balance between quantity vs unit profit. You make more money selling 100 widgets for $150 each than selling 175 widgets at $75 each.



    For more info Please Google (or Wiki)

    Scarcity value

    Snob effect



    and to a lesser degree;

    Veblen good





    A Simplistic Example.



    Reports of "xxxx product sitting on shelves collecting dust" can influence people that the product is not desirable, or good, or selling well, even though it may have just been overproduced. This can help kill any demand the product had.



    Conversely reports of "Lines out the door for yyyy product" Can influence people in the reverse manner that it "must" be good/desirable etc... That spurs demand even further.



    There is a reason that Toyota advertises the Camry as the "Best Selling sedan for 5 years" etc.. The perception of what "Others" are doing, buying, desiring effects our judgment.



    Also,



    Overproduction can lead to "Clearance sales" and thus reduced value, For example, if apple had produced 200M Ipads (assuming it could) and stocked them in retail outlets, it would be quite some time for those retail outlets to sell them, Then, the Ipad could take on the appearance of a commodity (not good for perceived value) and some retailers may have sales (now only $349 for the Ipad wifi!!!) to clear space, thus further driving down perceived value.
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  • Reply 44 of 85
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    In Defense of the Idea that Apple Intentially limits supply;



    I of course do not know because I do not work for apple, but I firmly believe that Apple is not dumb, and will use all available market tatics to ensure the highest profit. (Not the most units sold) conversely, Apple isn't simply going to ignore market economics and shoot itself in the foot.



    Achieving the highest profit sometimes means not trying to sell to everyone, (flooding the market) it is a fine line balance between quantity vs unit profit. You make more money selling 100 widgets for $150 each than selling 175 widgets at $75 each.



    For more info Please Google (or Wiki)

    Scarcity value

    Snob effect



    and to a lesser degree;

    Veblen good





    A Simplistic Example.



    Reports of "xxxx product sitting on shelves collecting dust" can influence people that the product is not desirable, or good, or selling well, even though it may have just been overproduced. This can help kill any demand the product had.



    Conversely reports of "Lines out the door for yyyy product" Can influence people in the reverse manner that it "must" be good/desirable etc... That spurs demand even further.



    There is a reason that Toyota advertises the Camry as the "Best Selling sedan for 5 years" etc.. The perception of what "Others" are doing, buying, desiring effects our judgment.



    Also,



    Overproduction can lead to "Clearance sales" and thus reduced value, For example, if apple had produced 200M Ipads (assuming it could) and stocked them in retail outlets, it would be quite some time for those retail outlets to sell them, Then, the Ipad could take on the appearance of a commodity (not good for perceived value) and some retailers may have sales (now only $349 for the Ipad wifi!!!) to clear space, thus further driving down perceived value.



    I love you. But when I say it, I'm a troll.



    Apple depends on a certain menality (NOT for all though, but many) to drive their products. Best Buy isn't as high end as Apple and that's what I meant in the other thread. Retail outlets depend to devalue the brand. I mean, Value City has American Eagle but many would rather go to the store to get it.



    Some are calling Missoni for Target a terrible marketing scheme as it devalues the high end product, instead of it being avalible in stores like Saks Fifth. Apple works the same. If Apple became an every day computer, it would loses overal profitablity.
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  • Reply 45 of 85
    tenobelltenobell Posts: 7,014member
    We also have reports from others in the supply chain who produce the parts of the iPhone.



    Such as LCD screens and internal memory storage production has been pushed to capacity. There is a limit to what can be produced within a given time frame.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jvanleuvan View Post


    In Defense of the Idea that Apple Intentially limits supply;



    I of course do not know because I do not work for apple, but I firmly believe that Apple is not dumb, and will use all available market tatics to ensure the highest profit. (Not the most units sold) conversely, Apple isn't simply going to ignore market economics and shoot itself in the foot.



    Achieving the highest profit sometimes means not trying to sell to everyone, (flooding the market) it is a fine line balance between quantity vs unit profit. You make more money selling 100 widgets for $150 each than selling 175 widgets at $75 each.



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  • Reply 46 of 85
    tenobelltenobell Posts: 7,014member
    What exactly is that "certain mentality"?



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    Apple depends on a certain menality (NOT for all though, but many) to drive their products.



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  • Reply 47 of 85
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    Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post


    What exactly is that "certain mentality"?



    To buy high end, quality products?



    Then there's



    I'm a buy it just because it's popular!



    Just look at how the Wii sold. It was more a popularity thing than anything. I had it but it was no big deal.
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  • Reply 48 of 85
    docno42docno42 Posts: 3,761member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jvanleuvan View Post


    Achieving the highest profit sometimes means not trying to sell to everyone



    Which is why Apple will never produce a netbook class product, and why they get labeled as being "elitist"...



    Quote:

    (flooding the market) it is a fine line balance between quantity vs unit profit. You make more money selling 100 widgets for $150 each than selling 175 widgets at $75 each.



    You make even more money by making products that people want above all others, and then being able to fulfill that demand.



    The only thing holding Apple back the past four years has been their overall production capacity. Which is why I think you see them aggressively obtaining multiple suppliers for future products.



    Quote:

    For more info Please Google (or Wiki)

    Scarcity value

    Snob effect



    I will right after you google "relevance"



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    Overproduction can lead to "Clearance sales"



    First you have to produce more than there is demand for. Something Apple hasn't had a problem with. They have a production problem. Until they get that solved, it will be kind of hard to have an over production problem



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    if apple had produced 200M Ipads (assuming it could)



    Ah, there is hope after all...
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  • Reply 49 of 85
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jvanleuvan View Post


    In Defense of the Idea that Apple Intentially limits supply;



    I of course do not know because I do not work for apple, but I firmly believe that Apple is not dumb, and will use all available market tatics to ensure the highest profit. (Not the most units sold) conversely, Apple isn't simply going to ignore market economics and shoot itself in the foot.



    And the highest profit is selling as many units as possible. Note that Gatorguy claims "It's beyond a reasonable belief to think [could] run out of new products with days of their release." I questioned his statement with...
    Quote:

    Let's examine what you're saying. You're saying that "it's beyond a reasonable belief" that 4 million smartphones being sold in a single weekend could possibly be all the supply that they had made over the ramp up for a new product launch.



    and he replied with?
    Quote:

    Yes sir I am



    That's not a market strategy, that's an idiotic conspiracy theory. There is simply no evidence that Apple is choosing not to produce or stockpiling merchandise to create an artificial demand over a sale.
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  • Reply 50 of 85
    Quote:
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    And the highest profit is selling as many units as possible. Note that Gatorguy claims "It's beyond a reasonable belief to think [could] run out of new products with days of their release." I questioned his statement with...

    and he replied with?



    That's not a market strategy, that's an idiotic conspiracy theory. There is simply no evidence that Apple is choosing not to produce or stockpiling merchandise to create an artificial demand over a sale.



    But many companies have done this before. It's a manner of economics too. Apple doesn't want to overproduce. They could easily conquer demand, but they might shoot themselves in the foot by not doing soo. Don't wnat too many iPads out there.
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  • Reply 51 of 85
    docno42docno42 Posts: 3,761member
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    Originally Posted by linkgx1 View Post


    But many companies have done this before.



    Successful ones? Cite some examples.



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    They could easily conquer demand



    Really? Do share!



    Quote:

    Don't wnat too many iPads out there.



    Yes, heaven forbid if that happens



    Ugh... I feel like I'm talking with alien abductionists...
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  • Reply 52 of 85
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post


    Successful ones? Cite some examples.







    Really? Do share!







    Yes, heaven forbid if that happens



    Ugh... I feel like I'm talking with alien abductionists...





    Nintendo for one. Nintendo has stated that they had the capacity to meet demand, but could not simply because they did not know when demand would decrease exactly.



    You're using a red herring there and say that you feel like you're talking to alien abuctionists, but I really somehow doubt you ever met one.



    I mean that Apple doesn't want too many iPads just sitting on the shelves. I mean if that happened, then that would create a mess of having to buy the iPads back. Look at the HP Touchpad situation. BestBuy wanted to sell the devices back to HP, until the Toucpad went on a firesale.
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  • Reply 53 of 85
    tenobelltenobell Posts: 7,014member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by linkgx1 View Post


    To buy high end, quality products?



    To buy a high quality product requires a certain mentality?







    Quote:

    I'm a buy it just because it's popular!



    Just look at how the Wii sold. It was more a popularity thing than anything. I had it but it was no big deal.



    A bit of revisionism in your thought process.



    The Wii was the first and for a while the only gaming console with wireless controlling. It was a smash hit from the beginning.



    The PS3 and XBOX 360 came out with wireless controllers and Kinect afterward because of the popularity of the Wii.
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  • Reply 54 of 85
    tenobelltenobell Posts: 7,014member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by linkgx1 View Post


    Nintendo for one. Nintendo has stated that they had the capacity to meet demand, but could not simply because they did not know when demand would decrease exactly.



    Just because this was Ninentedo's situation. How do you automatically put that on Apple?







    Quote:

    I mean that Apple doesn't want too many iPads just sitting on the shelves. I mean if that happened, then that would create a mess of having to buy the iPads back. Look at the HP Touchpad situation. BestBuy wanted to sell the devices back to HP, until the Toucpad went on a firesale.



    Apple sells every iPad it makes before it even makes it off of the plane into the United States. You have not given any real evidence that they are holding back.
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  • Reply 55 of 85
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post


    To buy a high quality product requires a certain mentality?

    You misread what I wrote and you are taking it out of context.









    A bit of revisionism in your thought process.



    The Wii was the first and for a while the only gaming console with wireless controlling. It was a smash hit from the beginning.



    That's completely wrong. The Xbox 360 was the first one that came with the console, and the Nintendo GameCube was the first cosnole producer to make a wireless controller, The WaveBird.



    Nintendo catered the console to families, instead of just hardcore gamers and it wasn't the controller alone. The popularity of the console being an 'it' item caused a large surge in demand. Not to mention it got a lot of free publicity. The console was going for as high as $1,100 on ebay.
    The PS3 and XBOX 360 came out with wireless controllers and Kinect afterward because of the popularity of the Wii.



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  • Reply 56 of 85
    Quote:
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    Just because this was Ninentedo's situation. How do you automatically put that on Apple?





    That's not what you was said for. It was to name another company. Now we're changing the argument. I gave solid evidence and now it's changing

    Apple sells every iPad it makes before it even makes it off of the plane into the United States. You have not given any real evidence that they are holding back.



    Um, they have to hold back in some regards. "Yes, let's totally make two more facilities to meet demand. Let's make 300 million iPads at one time!" Meeting demand is the best way to make money (in a controlled way) rather than making a whole bunch and it just sitting there.



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  • Reply 57 of 85
    piotpiot Posts: 1,346member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by linkgx1 View Post


    Just look at how the Wii sold. It was more a popularity thing than anything. I had it but it was no big deal.



    Exactly!
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  • Reply 58 of 85
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    Exactly!



    To be honest I was following it since it was the Nintendo Revolution and thought tehre would be a virtual helmet.



    I'm still waiting on that Zelda GCN demo from Spaceworld 2001 a while back.
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  • Reply 59 of 85
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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    ... the most popular model is the 32GB version, which has twice the storage of the entry-level 16GB iPad.



    Are you serious!
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  • Reply 60 of 85
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
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    Are you serious!



    Why don't you believe the non-entry-level model is the most popular?
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