Hell...HTC devices look nothing like Apple devices...but hey...go get em.
Notice where I used the words "ideas and developments", not just design. There are implementations of Apple's patented designs in almost every Android phone. They might be as minor as the screen 'bounce' when you over scroll, but that is a patented idea and Apple has every legal right to aggressively defend their intellectual property.
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Apple is almost always on the offensive...defense is not and cannot be a bully tactic.)
The legal system forces companies to aggressively defend their IP. The US patent office isn't going to do that for anyone. When Apple initiates a legal claim, that doesn't mean they are 'on offense', as you so wrongly put it, any more than someone who hires a defense attorney is 'playing bully' to defend himself in court. Protecting a companies properties is defensive by its very nature.
There are plenty of other examples of companies that aggressively defend their IP, but as they won't fit into your world view of "Apple=bad, not Apple=good", I won't bother to provide examples.
Google, Motorola, and HTC all manufacture product, Digitude does not. They are a patent troll in every sense of the term, and Apple set them in motion.
Apple is akin to a gun runner, who supplies evil people with the means to further their evil.
Which company is strangely absent from this list? I'm glad that Apple have been caught out in this spinelss act. Why didn't they keep their patents and directly go after all of these infringers?
Does it bug you that Google made a deal with Intelectual Ventures? This sounds like Apple seeing a cheap way of maintaining share holder value. By giving a few patents to a future headache they eliminate future issues.
The legality of some of the products that certain companies make is also in question, as they infringe upon other people's intellectual rights, so I don't think that makes them any better than a so-called patent troll.
According to the German Courts, Apple isn't any better than a so-called patent troll. According to the German Courts, Apple makes illegal products, as they infringe upon other people's intellectual rights.
I totally agreed! Who says Apple has to play nice when everyone else plays dirty. Who says Apple has to be "politically correct" all the time. It's time for Apple to behave like a Microsoft or a Google. Yeah, I say bring it on!
Apple, Microsoft and Google are all basically the same. They all play dirty. They all are politically incorrect.
I dislike the idea of patent trolls, but after giving this some thought it may not be such a bad thing. Hear me out...
Firstly, patent "trolling" is not illegal, though one can argue it is somewhat unethical. Forgetting the ethical argument, consider that it is a reality.
Apple may be experimenting here. These patent trolls are good at one thing: getting value for patents. Apple also gets value from its patents by suing competitors. So maybe Apple is just looking to outsource these efforts? Somebody will get sued either way, why not leave the work to someone who's better at it than you are?
From that perspective it's no different than outsourcing manufacturing.
It will be interesting to see how this evolves. Perhaps we're witnessing the birth of a new industry.
If there is, I'm afraid that it would be unwise for me to reveal them to you, as I recognize that your list is only for pretend. You are merely trying to imitate a pro-Apple person here.
I think that what Apple is looking for is a per phone or pad/tablet in Amazon's case licensing fee like Microsoft is doing with Android rather than an injunction from shipping products like Apple probably wants with their lawsuits right now against Samsung, HTC and Motorola.
Apple is looking for the biggest profits it can possibly make, and will use any sleazy tactic they can to get it.
It may not feel right, but Solipsism has nailed the issue here. Taking the moral high ground in your personal life is admirable, but in business it is not just unwise, but often negligent. These companies answer to their shareholders, and have a responsibility to maximize their profits, short and long term.
Whether that takes the form of exploiting the patent system (that they did not invent or define) or trying to get away with copying others' successes without losing the ensuing lawsuits, we should expect them to base their decisions on business advantage, and nothing else. And those decisions should include, of course, if they are smart, trying to factor in the possible unintended consequences of their actions.
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Your use of "no better" is pointless. Stop trying to make the business world into some Milton-esque fight for good and evil. There is no altruism. This is a strategic game made for creating profit. It's really not that hard of a concept.
According to the German Courts, Apple isn't any better than a so-called patent troll. According to the German Courts, Apple makes illegal products, as they infringe upon other people's intellectual rights.
How far Apple has fallen!
If you're referring to the case which I think that you are, then that's just a small technicality with a FRAND patent. It's no big deal and won't hurt Apple in any way. Germans will still be buying plenty of iPads and iPhones for Christmas.
It seems these days EVERY company is a bit of a patent troll. I wish they'd stop suing each other and just focus their energies in more productive ways.
Are you saying that maybe Apple should spend a little less time feeding the Trolls, and a little more time, y'know, like actually innovating?
Are you saying that maybe Apple should spend a little less time feeding the Trolls, and a little more time, y'know, actually competing?
Speaking of feeding trolls.
Yeah, maybe Apple should quit ripping off designs from their competitors and start innovating and come up with something new for a change. They've been quite lacking in that area, don't you think?
Apple is waiting for Samsung to release their next tablet, and then Apple is going to copy it and release the iPad 3.
My comment was more targeted towards certain companies that intentionally release something that is a blatant ripoff of another product. I don't think that those companies are any better than the patent trolls.
In that case, do you agree with the German court that Apple is no better than a patent troll?
Who? I recall several lawsuits from several companies reacting to Apple (who is hardly wrong in some cases) but I do not recall a consortium of Apple competitors ganging up on Apple.
One of the main Apple memes has always been "us against them". Apple has consistently reinforced that mindset with its advertising slogans, including "the rest of us".
Us against them.
Not only that, but because Apple has traditionally been, until recently, a struggling company with few buyers, Apple fans could think of themselves as the underdogs, struggling, fighting the good fight, etc.
It is very hard for the people who grew up on the prior fiction to now accept that Apple is one of them. Apple is a huge multinational corporation that practices every sleazy move that big corporations proactice. They ain't your daddy's Apple, but the religious faithful try to pretend that they are still the scrappy little company fighting for what is good and right against a sea of conformity to corporate gods.
Apple is now their corporate God, but they can't quite reconcile that with their outmoded viewpoint that Apple stands for everything good and right and tasteful.
Sad. Very sad.
It ain't Steve and Woz bringing Apple goodness to us so we won't have to be conformists. It is suits and bean counters, and especially, lately, lawyers who define what Apple is. Apple is a huge conglomerate interested in only one thing: Money. And they don't give two shits what kind of sleazy tactics they might use to get it.
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Hell...HTC devices look nothing like Apple devices...but hey...go get em.
Notice where I used the words "ideas and developments", not just design. There are implementations of Apple's patented designs in almost every Android phone. They might be as minor as the screen 'bounce' when you over scroll, but that is a patented idea and Apple has every legal right to aggressively defend their intellectual property.
Apple is almost always on the offensive...defense is not and cannot be a bully tactic.)
The legal system forces companies to aggressively defend their IP. The US patent office isn't going to do that for anyone. When Apple initiates a legal claim, that doesn't mean they are 'on offense', as you so wrongly put it, any more than someone who hires a defense attorney is 'playing bully' to defend himself in court. Protecting a companies properties is defensive by its very nature.
There are plenty of other examples of companies that aggressively defend their IP, but as they won't fit into your world view of "Apple=bad, not Apple=good", I won't bother to provide examples.
Google, Motorola, and HTC all manufacture product, Digitude does not. They are a patent troll in every sense of the term, and Apple set them in motion.
Apple is akin to a gun runner, who supplies evil people with the means to further their evil.
HTC are have re-evaluated their purchase of S3, anyway, how are the two situations related?
HTC were going to purchase s3 and it's assets.
Apple have sold assets to a non existent company to try to stealthily pass patents to a patent troll.
As the TechCrunch article is titled "Apple Made A Deal With The Devil (No, Worse: A Patent Troll)".
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Look at what these assholes are up to:
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/patent-i...ews-13400.html
Which company is strangely absent from this list? I'm glad that Apple have been caught out in this spinelss act. Why didn't they keep their patents and directly go after all of these infringers?
Does it bug you that Google made a deal with Intelectual Ventures? This sounds like Apple seeing a cheap way of maintaining share holder value. By giving a few patents to a future headache they eliminate future issues.
The legality of some of the products that certain companies make is also in question, as they infringe upon other people's intellectual rights, so I don't think that makes them any better than a so-called patent troll.
According to the German Courts, Apple isn't any better than a so-called patent troll. According to the German Courts, Apple makes illegal products, as they infringe upon other people's intellectual rights.
How far Apple has fallen!
I totally agreed! Who says Apple has to play nice when everyone else plays dirty. Who says Apple has to be "politically correct" all the time. It's time for Apple to behave like a Microsoft or a Google. Yeah, I say bring it on!
Apple, Microsoft and Google are all basically the same. They all play dirty. They all are politically incorrect.
Bring it on!
Firstly, patent "trolling" is not illegal, though one can argue it is somewhat unethical. Forgetting the ethical argument, consider that it is a reality.
Apple may be experimenting here. These patent trolls are good at one thing: getting value for patents. Apple also gets value from its patents by suing competitors. So maybe Apple is just looking to outsource these efforts? Somebody will get sued either way, why not leave the work to someone who's better at it than you are?
From that perspective it's no different than outsourcing manufacturing.
It will be interesting to see how this evolves. Perhaps we're witnessing the birth of a new industry.
Are there any I have left off of the list?
If there is, I'm afraid that it would be unwise for me to reveal them to you, as I recognize that your list is only for pretend. You are merely trying to imitate a pro-Apple person here.
Apple is akin to a gun runner, who supplies evil people with the means to further their evil.
I'm ok with that, because the people who the "evil people" are going after are even more evil.
I think that what Apple is looking for is a per phone or pad/tablet in Amazon's case licensing fee like Microsoft is doing with Android rather than an injunction from shipping products like Apple probably wants with their lawsuits right now against Samsung, HTC and Motorola.
Apple is looking for the biggest profits it can possibly make, and will use any sleazy tactic they can to get it.
Who else in the game right now can be considered a bully except Apple?
Motorola? Google? Samsung? HTC?
Whether that takes the form of exploiting the patent system (that they did not invent or define) or trying to get away with copying others' successes without losing the ensuing lawsuits, we should expect them to base their decisions on business advantage, and nothing else. And those decisions should include, of course, if they are smart, trying to factor in the possible unintended consequences of their actions.
Your use of "no better" is pointless. Stop trying to make the business world into some Milton-esque fight for good and evil. There is no altruism. This is a strategic game made for creating profit. It's really not that hard of a concept.
According to the German Courts, Apple isn't any better than a so-called patent troll. According to the German Courts, Apple makes illegal products, as they infringe upon other people's intellectual rights.
How far Apple has fallen!
If you're referring to the case which I think that you are, then that's just a small technicality with a FRAND patent. It's no big deal and won't hurt Apple in any way. Germans will still be buying plenty of iPads and iPhones for Christmas.
Apple is looking for the biggest profits it can possibly make, and will use any sleazy tactic they can to get it.
I am a big fan of sleazy tactics, especially when dealing with sleazy opponents. Anything goes, as long as it's legal.
It seems these days EVERY company is a bit of a patent troll. I wish they'd stop suing each other and just focus their energies in more productive ways.
Are you saying that maybe Apple should spend a little less time feeding the Trolls, and a little more time, y'know, like actually innovating?
Are you saying that maybe Apple should spend a little less time feeding the Trolls, and a little more time, y'know, actually competing?
Speaking of feeding trolls.
Yeah, maybe Apple should quit ripping off designs from their competitors and start innovating and come up with something new for a change. They've been quite lacking in that area, don't you think?
Apple is waiting for Samsung to release their next tablet, and then Apple is going to copy it and release the iPad 3.
I see what you mean.
My comment was more targeted towards certain companies that intentionally release something that is a blatant ripoff of another product. I don't think that those companies are any better than the patent trolls.
In that case, do you agree with the German court that Apple is no better than a patent troll?
In that case, do you agree with the German court that Apple is no better than a patent troll?
I don't know the exact details of the case that you are referring to, so I can't really comment on that.
Who? I recall several lawsuits from several companies reacting to Apple (who is hardly wrong in some cases) but I do not recall a consortium of Apple competitors ganging up on Apple.
One of the main Apple memes has always been "us against them". Apple has consistently reinforced that mindset with its advertising slogans, including "the rest of us".
Us against them.
Not only that, but because Apple has traditionally been, until recently, a struggling company with few buyers, Apple fans could think of themselves as the underdogs, struggling, fighting the good fight, etc.
It is very hard for the people who grew up on the prior fiction to now accept that Apple is one of them. Apple is a huge multinational corporation that practices every sleazy move that big corporations proactice. They ain't your daddy's Apple, but the religious faithful try to pretend that they are still the scrappy little company fighting for what is good and right against a sea of conformity to corporate gods.
Apple is now their corporate God, but they can't quite reconcile that with their outmoded viewpoint that Apple stands for everything good and right and tasteful.
Sad. Very sad.
It ain't Steve and Woz bringing Apple goodness to us so we won't have to be conformists. It is suits and bean counters, and especially, lately, lawyers who define what Apple is. Apple is a huge conglomerate interested in only one thing: Money. And they don't give two shits what kind of sleazy tactics they might use to get it.
Motorola? Google? Samsung? HTC?
How so?