It's strange that whenever I see mobile phones being used around the local shopping centre (in Sydney), there'd be five or six iPhones to every non iPhone user.
It's strange that whenever I see mobile phones being used around the local shopping centre (in Sydney), there'd be five or six iPhones to every non iPhone user.
Probably because a ton of the androids are in bedrooms of little kids playing games. I suspect many parents buy kids a phone for safety reasons and an iPhone is obviously way too expensive. If Apple brought out a wrist watch iPhone Nano with a cheap buddy plan they would clean up in that market.
It's strange that whenever I see mobile phones being used around the local shopping centre (in Sydney), there'd be five or six iPhones to every non iPhone user.
You're simply hanging out with a more sophisticated group of consumers.
According to third quarter figures released by the IDC on Monday (via The Next Web), Android now makes up 49 percent of smartphones in the country, compared to Apple's 36 percent share.
Android has also passed up the iPhone in New Zealand. Samsung took 28.5 percent of the smartphone market, Chinese handset maker Huawei came in second place with 20 percent. Apple had 13 percent of the country's smartphone market as customers held off on purchases in anticipation of the iPhone 4S.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
In Australia, Android has 49% and Apple['s iOS for iPhone] has 36% of the smartphone OS market segment. There is no statement that Samsung has overtaken Apple in Australia except in the title. It's in NZ that Samsung and Huawei are ahead of Apple in unit market share.
My thoughts exactly, there was no mentioning of how much of that 49% was made up of Samsung, HTC and other Android manufacturers would have to be less than 13% so Samsung can top Apple. If we were to assume consumer preferences in New Zealand is similar to Australia where Samsung owns approximately 1/3 of the non-Apple market, the logical estimate is that Samsung owns 1/3 of the 49%.
I'm in Sydney and noticing the same thing: about 5-6 iPhones for roughly each Android phone.
I'm a little curious. If Android have just under half the market, then where the hell are they all?
Are you sure they were iPhones or were they the Samsung clones?
It's no surprise Android has a larger shipment share considering there are a lot more vendors and phone models.
iOS is strong if you include (and you should) ALL iOS devices. Most apps on iOS doesn't care if it's an ipod touch, iphone, or ipad. That's what developers should look at.
Apple sells you an ecosystem. Samsung, HTC, etc., sell you a phone. Google sells you. Apple would love for you to buy a new phone every year but they rather get you to stay in the ecosystem and buy a new phone when you're ready. Samsung, HTC, etc. want you to buy a new phone every two years or sooner. That's why they don't upgrade to the latest OS and desupport you.
Apple has like a total of 70 hardware SKU's and that includes SKU's where the only difference is carrier (ipads) , colors (iPods) or memory (iPhones, iPads, and iPods) in many cases.
Unreal.
Do you feel that Apple's strategy could use some rethinking?
I have wondered this myself. You would think by how some people act on the forums that anything negative toward Apple is a direct attack on them.
It is a direct attck upon them. They have bound up large parts of their identity with the fate of, or, at least, the opinion of a multinational corporation.
Apple's marketing encourages this self-identification. "I'm a Mac". The old iPod ads with the dancing silhouettes - "Hey - that could be me if I buy an iPod"! Apple owners are men of wealth and taste.
Easy to take market share with low ball phone pricing that Android's distributors take part in. Many don't care what it is, as long as they have a phone. For those where quality does matter, there is no substitute for the iPhone or iOS.
If that is true, how do you explain the Samsung Galaxy SII outselling the iPhone in some markets?
Seems to me that Apple too offers cheap and free phones.
I think your argument has been overtaken by facts. It may or may not have once been true, but it ain't true no more.
Well, its just like Windows vs Mac again. In the end, Android will pretty much own the market worldwide. It doesn't mean Apple will be out of business, but they will have to concede the market to Google and their partners. Hopefully the 1% share that Steve Jobs was hoping for will be enough to sustain Apple iOS & hardware for the future.
QUOTE=stelligent;2011513]Apple makes more profit. Samsung makes 2000 different phones. Samsung copies. It's only New Zealand. It's only Australia. They are counting shipments and not sales. Any more defensive responses?
What's the big deal if iPhone is not the top selling device anymore? Your intelligence does not increase (even if you think it sounds like it does) and you do not get an Apple discount by defending Apple on every front. Apple does not need you standing up for it. Enjoy your device(s), whether it is #1, 2 or 3.[/QUOTE]
This is a poorly thought-out response and was exactly the complacency I referred to above. It doesn't matter that it's just aust and nz. These countries are battle grounds because companies fine tune strategy for the big leagues in the US and Europe. Android have gained massive ground here. That will translate into huge losses if it occurs in the UK or US. I remember the CLIE from Sony. A better device had never been released. And Sony shut it down. I am concerned that you are seeing the first evidence of tide turning. Failure to appreciate this by apple will see iOS marginalized within the year. As happened to Sony. It would be a typically American mistake not to learn from their past errors
I think it is fair to say that the overall customer satisfaction and loyalty of iPhone users are higher. But there are many people who enjoy their Android phones just fine, and have bought multiple generations of Android phones. I personally enjoy both. So, if nothing else, you now know one. But in reality, I am 100% sure you have met many happy Android users. Just open your eyes and mind.
Nothing to do with not being open minded. In my experience (reasonable) - I am yet to meet one person who would not prefer an iPhone after a months use of either.
If android is allowed to copy slavishly and make cheap Asian clones - apple as a microcosm of the US.will share its economic fate - undermined by cheap labour and cheap clones. And when apple eventually gets beaten....android prices I'll go up all over again...like Microsoft.
I'm sure Australia is the most cutting edge continent in the world- but hasn't android surpassed iOS on phones in America well earlier this year (or even October of 2010 if memory serves)? If so, umm, doesn't that make America the trendsetter (like always)?
Where it concerns declaring war, wasting billions on pointless conflicts and selling out every single industry you had to China - sure - lead on.
In the meantime - if you had read my post - I didnt make any claim of Australian superiority. I was just pointing out that because of several unique characteristics of the country - we are used as a test-bed for new tech. Why is it always about size for you guys? READ man.
I remember the CLIE from Sony. A better device had never been released.
The Clie was easily the best PalmOS hardware. But Sony missed the boat by waiting too long. By the time the REALLY cool Clies were released, the Palm thing was winding down.
It goes to show that the best hardware has no certainty of being successful. Timing plays a part. These days, we are to believe that ecosystem is a major factor. Customer perception also, IMO, plays a big part.
Sony lost the throne in TV sets. Portable music players. Home video tape decks. PDAs. High-end portable digital recording equipment.
Sony sucks. They used to be on top, but not anymore. Likely there are lessons to be learned by other portable device makers.
Android have gained massive ground here. That will translate into huge losses if it occurs in the UK or US
Sitting in boxes on crates in retail storerooms is not gaining ground? And what ground is being gained that hurts companies like Apple? So far Apple has done nothing but remain at the top of every category they compete in.
I was just pointing out that because of several unique characteristics of the country - we are used as a tested for new tech.
You keep saying that, but I see no evidence of new tech that is being given to AU and NZ that is different from the smartphone tech in other countries. Is Android OS more advanced there? Nope. How about the iPhone? Nope. So what Samsung smartphone only has tech for AU and NZ markets that isn't elsewhere in the world?
Before the Apple patrol set out to smash you, I enjoyed the read and it makes sense. I did not break out my Google to verify anything though.
Thanks. What's crazy about the subsequent attacks is that in my house are - 2 iPads, 1 iMacs, 1 Mac pro and a MacBook air. I bought the coolaid. I love my apple gear. I just don't want to end up with the bestest Sony CLIES that are no longer supported...a la my first mac pro which was a G5 and which apple stopped supporting after apple care ran out after I bought it. They have form. I just want them to see the danger. And react. Rather than talk about sales versus volume and all that rubbish.
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It's strange that whenever I see mobile phones being used around the local shopping centre (in Sydney), there'd be five or six iPhones to every non iPhone user.
Well all those stats must be wrong then.
It's strange that whenever I see mobile phones being used around the local shopping centre (in Sydney), there'd be five or six iPhones to every non iPhone user.
Probably because a ton of the androids are in bedrooms of little kids playing games. I suspect many parents buy kids a phone for safety reasons and an iPhone is obviously way too expensive. If Apple brought out a wrist watch iPhone Nano with a cheap buddy plan they would clean up in that market.
It's strange that whenever I see mobile phones being used around the local shopping centre (in Sydney), there'd be five or six iPhones to every non iPhone user.
You're simply hanging out with a more sophisticated group of consumers.
According to third quarter figures released by the IDC on Monday (via The Next Web), Android now makes up 49 percent of smartphones in the country, compared to Apple's 36 percent share.
Android has also passed up the iPhone in New Zealand. Samsung took 28.5 percent of the smartphone market, Chinese handset maker Huawei came in second place with 20 percent. Apple had 13 percent of the country's smartphone market as customers held off on purchases in anticipation of the iPhone 4S.
In Australia, Android has 49% and Apple['s iOS for iPhone] has 36% of the smartphone OS market segment. There is no statement that Samsung has overtaken Apple in Australia except in the title. It's in NZ that Samsung and Huawei are ahead of Apple in unit market share.
My thoughts exactly, there was no mentioning of how much of that 49% was made up of Samsung, HTC and other Android manufacturers would have to be less than 13% so Samsung can top Apple. If we were to assume consumer preferences in New Zealand is similar to Australia where Samsung owns approximately 1/3 of the non-Apple market, the logical estimate is that Samsung owns 1/3 of the 49%.
I'm in Sydney and noticing the same thing: about 5-6 iPhones for roughly each Android phone.
I'm a little curious. If Android have just under half the market, then where the hell are they all?
Are you sure they were iPhones or were they the Samsung clones?
It's no surprise Android has a larger shipment share considering there are a lot more vendors and phone models.
iOS is strong if you include (and you should) ALL iOS devices. Most apps on iOS doesn't care if it's an ipod touch, iphone, or ipad. That's what developers should look at.
Apple sells you an ecosystem. Samsung, HTC, etc., sell you a phone. Google sells you. Apple would love for you to buy a new phone every year but they rather get you to stay in the ecosystem and buy a new phone when you're ready. Samsung, HTC, etc. want you to buy a new phone every two years or sooner. That's why they don't upgrade to the latest OS and desupport you.
Chinese handset maker Huawei came in second place with 20 percent. Apple had 13 percent
I've heard that Huawei is planning a big push in the US market.
Watch out Apple!
There's also 24 different samsung android phones compared to the 3 apple offers...
Are you saying that Apple is making a huge strategic mistake by only offering a narrow product range?
Or what?
If you go to:
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cel...s/all-products
Samsung has like 142 phone SKU's.
Apple has like a total of 70 hardware SKU's and that includes SKU's where the only difference is carrier (ipads) , colors (iPods) or memory (iPhones, iPads, and iPods) in many cases.
Unreal.
Do you feel that Apple's strategy could use some rethinking?
I have wondered this myself. You would think by how some people act on the forums that anything negative toward Apple is a direct attack on them.
It is a direct attck upon them. They have bound up large parts of their identity with the fate of, or, at least, the opinion of a multinational corporation.
Apple's marketing encourages this self-identification. "I'm a Mac". The old iPod ads with the dancing silhouettes - "Hey - that could be me if I buy an iPod"! Apple owners are men of wealth and taste.
Profits beats units shipped.
You, sir, are a credit to Apple fans everywhere.
Easy to take market share with low ball phone pricing that Android's distributors take part in. Many don't care what it is, as long as they have a phone. For those where quality does matter, there is no substitute for the iPhone or iOS.
If that is true, how do you explain the Samsung Galaxy SII outselling the iPhone in some markets?
Seems to me that Apple too offers cheap and free phones.
I think your argument has been overtaken by facts. It may or may not have once been true, but it ain't true no more.
What's the big deal if iPhone is not the top selling device anymore? Your intelligence does not increase (even if you think it sounds like it does) and you do not get an Apple discount by defending Apple on every front. Apple does not need you standing up for it. Enjoy your device(s), whether it is #1, 2 or 3.[/QUOTE]
This is a poorly thought-out response and was exactly the complacency I referred to above. It doesn't matter that it's just aust and nz. These countries are battle grounds because companies fine tune strategy for the big leagues in the US and Europe. Android have gained massive ground here. That will translate into huge losses if it occurs in the UK or US. I remember the CLIE from Sony. A better device had never been released. And Sony shut it down. I am concerned that you are seeing the first evidence of tide turning. Failure to appreciate this by apple will see iOS marginalized within the year. As happened to Sony. It would be a typically American mistake not to learn from their past errors
I think it is fair to say that the overall customer satisfaction and loyalty of iPhone users are higher. But there are many people who enjoy their Android phones just fine, and have bought multiple generations of Android phones. I personally enjoy both. So, if nothing else, you now know one. But in reality, I am 100% sure you have met many happy Android users. Just open your eyes and mind.
Nothing to do with not being open minded. In my experience (reasonable) - I am yet to meet one person who would not prefer an iPhone after a months use of either.
If android is allowed to copy slavishly and make cheap Asian clones - apple as a microcosm of the US.will share its economic fate - undermined by cheap labour and cheap clones. And when apple eventually gets beaten....android prices I'll go up all over again...like Microsoft.
You're simply hanging out with a more sophisticated group of consumers.
When I have to take care of business in a "not so great" part of town, the majority of phones I see are not iPhones..
I'm sure Australia is the most cutting edge continent in the world- but hasn't android surpassed iOS on phones in America well earlier this year (or even October of 2010 if memory serves)? If so, umm, doesn't that make America the trendsetter (like always)?
Where it concerns declaring war, wasting billions on pointless conflicts and selling out every single industry you had to China - sure - lead on.
In the meantime - if you had read my post - I didnt make any claim of Australian superiority. I was just pointing out that because of several unique characteristics of the country - we are used as a test-bed for new tech. Why is it always about size for you guys? READ man.
I remember the CLIE from Sony. A better device had never been released.
The Clie was easily the best PalmOS hardware. But Sony missed the boat by waiting too long. By the time the REALLY cool Clies were released, the Palm thing was winding down.
It goes to show that the best hardware has no certainty of being successful. Timing plays a part. These days, we are to believe that ecosystem is a major factor. Customer perception also, IMO, plays a big part.
Sony lost the throne in TV sets. Portable music players. Home video tape decks. PDAs. High-end portable digital recording equipment.
Sony sucks. They used to be on top, but not anymore. Likely there are lessons to be learned by other portable device makers.
Android have gained massive ground here. That will translate into huge losses if it occurs in the UK or US
Sitting in boxes on crates in retail storerooms is not gaining ground? And what ground is being gained that hurts companies like Apple? So far Apple has done nothing but remain at the top of every category they compete in.
I was just pointing out that because of several unique characteristics of the country - we are used as a tested for new tech.
You keep saying that, but I see no evidence of new tech that is being given to AU and NZ that is different from the smartphone tech in other countries. Is Android OS more advanced there? Nope. How about the iPhone? Nope. So what Samsung smartphone only has tech for AU and NZ markets that isn't elsewhere in the world?
Before the Apple patrol set out to smash you, I enjoyed the read and it makes sense. I did not break out my Google to verify anything though.
Thanks. What's crazy about the subsequent attacks is that in my house are - 2 iPads, 1 iMacs, 1 Mac pro and a MacBook air. I bought the coolaid. I love my apple gear. I just don't want to end up with the bestest Sony CLIES that are no longer supported...a la my first mac pro which was a G5 and which apple stopped supporting after apple care ran out after I bought it. They have form. I just want them to see the danger. And react. Rather than talk about sales versus volume and all that rubbish.