Actually, it seems apple people hang around apple people thus you "see" most people with apple products. I have no such proclivity. Just going to any event, venue or location and truly looking around and you will see that most people are using android phones. This matches up with the market share reports from all the various reporting companies that android has the majority marketshare in every country worldwide. Thus, "most" of us know very few people with iphones and lots of people with android. And just to clarify, I have a macbook pro (running windows and OSX dual booted) so I am not against apple but just find their phones inferior in every way to android from hardware (fact) to OS (opinion).
When I was in SF this past weekend, pretty much all I saw (of smartphones) anywhere, were iPhones. It honestly surprised me, but then again, it was SF, between the tourists, hipsters, artists, etc.
It probably helps that they're so easy to spot, either a) it was a 4/4S, or they were using a tacky case with the hole in the back, so that Apple logo is showing, or some people had no case at all.
And while I have no problems with what ICS offers (as a former Pre+ user, it has Mattias Duarte's fingerprints), but anything before that is very inconsistent, and I'm not sold on the tech spec masturbation that occurs with a lot of Android phones (specifically from Samsung).
Tech specs don't really mean that much to me, if they don't utilized that HW well, or get bogged down with some skin, and for some reason most OEM's are going wild over humongous screens. 4" would be fine, 4.3" is as far as I personally would go, but anything beyond that is borderline unpocketable.
And while I consider myself a mainly Windows guy, my 2007 Mac Mini is just OK - I just get more done with my PC, my iPhone 4S/iOS hits that happy delta on most categories as a smartphone. Nice screen, responsive UI, lots of apps, although the home button is so 2007. Android, pre ICS just felt Google flinging poo at the wall, just as long as they have a platform to push their search engine, ie ads.
"Its performance in parts of southern Europe where most consumers don't sign contracts and have to pay full freight for phones suggests Apple's position could suffer if carriers tire of underwriting most of the cost of the devices, as some are in countries such as Denmark and Spain," the report said.
I am surprised by this article. Not only do most people in southern Europe use a prepaid plan (allowing much bigger savings), but in a number of countries such as Italy and Belgium, selling phones ONLY with a contract is outright forbidden.
That would also hold for Android phones.
Therefore I question the article's conclusions.
Besides, in Belgium, where I live, you see iPhones everywhere.
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Data from IDC shows that Android took well more than half of the smartphone market in Greece and Portugal in 2011, while Apple had a very small presence both countries. It's a very different story in the U.K. and U.S., where Apple took roughly 25 percent of the entire smartphone market in 2011...
This bodes badly for Greece and Portugal, although less so if the article would also imply fewer WinPhone sales.
My wife is from the philippines and it is the same thing there. No one can afford an iphone there. Wages are on average of $100/month and that is working 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. Going to Manila to the 2nd largest mall in the world, Mall of Asia, and after walking around all day, i never saw one iphone in a store or in use anywhere. Most people still use non smart phone's and those that can afford a smart phone, have android phone's. I can attest that in the philippines, people are crazy for android. I took my Droid 3 with us and got stopped all the time to show people and got "oohs and aahs". My wife's family thought me a rock star with my fancy phone. No one I talked to and I mean "NO ONE" thought the iphone a cool phone there. They just thought it an overpriced phone for silly american's.
Oh, plenty of people can afford the iPhone in India, but there are plenty of rich people in India... but overwhelmingly more poor people who could never afford such a phone. People do think iPhone is cool though. When I got out my iPad, people would look at it very interestedly.
You seem to be an Android fan, but Android is weird and I think gives into the geeks. One of the basic things is the Dalvik VM, and that has programmer-accessible registers. Did the guys that design it understand anything about computer architecture, VMs, and stack machines. Registers (programmer accessible) are a bad idea, enforce the von Neumann bottleneck, and are against multiprocessing.
Who said they were? I suggest $250 which would give them some kind of margin for the 3GS, or cheapest device.
I think Apple should create three models based on the existing form factors when the iPhone NEXT - I don't want to get into the 5 debate - comes out. 3GS is non-retina but different price points. The lowest price point has a very low margin, the top price point is reasonable. iPhone 4, the standard normal sized phone, good margins all round, and the iPhone NEXT with very high margins.
Over all margins are maintained ish.
I say ish, because margins of 40% are not going to be maintainable. Of course if the next big thing is a TV with margins of 55% then the rest of the product line can take a margin cut.
WTF!!!The Iphone 3GS is quite a good phone. Can someone explain why it is a good idea for apple not to sell the 3GS in Finland and other countries in Europe?!?! It just means more androids sold in my opinion. Would i buy a iphone 4S for my kids? NO! Would i buy Iphone 3GS? YES! Oh WAIT I CAAAANNNTTT!!!! Ok, ill buy them and android.... Case closed!
Sometimes Apples marketing just should get their head out of their butt... Just think about it Apple CREATES androids living space. This is just a FACT!!!!
WTF!!!The Iphone 3GS is quite a good phone. Can someone explain why it is a good idea for apple not to sell the 3GS in Finland and other countries in Europe?!?! It just means more androids sold in my opinion. Would i buy a iphone 4S for my kids? NO! Would i buy Iphone 3GS? YES! Oh WAIT I CAAAANNNTTT!!!! Ok, ill buy them and android.... Case closed!
Sometimes Apples marketing just should get their head out of their butt... Just think about it Apple CREATES androids living space. This is just a FACT!!!!
Isnt this the possibility to prevail for apple to get more users into its ecosystem???
In low income, hence Android, country, Apple can get much more visibility by increasing the discount for previous models.
Apple is doing something right here, except for one detail, that the discount is TOO SMALL.
By now the 3GS and, soon the 4, can be produced very cheaply anyway, so increasing the discount is probably very feasible.
The trick is, how big may this price difference be, to still be able to lure potential customers into purchasing the next higher model.
It remains a known fact (we have seen this in the sale of Macs) that Apple's higher end models achieve the highest sales.
It just takes getting people in the store with their minds set on the purchase of an iPhone. Some will only be able to afford the entry level model, but others will be lured in the higher end models anyway.
Nowadays, all the Android based phone manufacturers are updating their handsets to the latest 2.2 foryo firmware. Last week Google nexus one got the treatment, and HTC line of handsets will get the update in the third quarter. samsung and Motorola are still thinking weather to push the update or not. While this saga is happening, Android developers are up to something different, yes its the next update. Android phones come in a variety of forms and flavors. The best smartphones running Google's innovative mobile platform. Here are list of Top ten android phones Samsung Galaxy Ace S5830 HTC RezoundM Micromax A85 Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo V Sony Ericsson Xperia Active Motorola Defy Plus Samsung Galaxy W LG Optimus Black P970 Motorola Fire XT HTC Wildfire S
Nowadays, all the Android based phone manufacturers are updating their handsets to the latest 2.2 foryo firmware. Last week Google nexus one got the treatment, and HTC line of handsets will get the update in the third quarter. samsung and Motorola are still thinking weather to push the update or not. While this saga is happening, Android developers are up to something different, yes its the next update. Android phones come in a variety of forms and flavors. The best smartphones running Google's innovative mobile platform. Here are list of Top ten android phones Samsung Galaxy Ace S5830 HTC RezoundM Micromax A85 Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo V Sony Ericsson Xperia Active Motorola Defy Plus Samsung Galaxy W LG Optimus Black P970 Motorola Fire XT HTC Wildfire S
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Actually, it seems apple people hang around apple people thus you "see" most people with apple products. I have no such proclivity. Just going to any event, venue or location and truly looking around and you will see that most people are using android phones. This matches up with the market share reports from all the various reporting companies that android has the majority marketshare in every country worldwide. Thus, "most" of us know very few people with iphones and lots of people with android. And just to clarify, I have a macbook pro (running windows and OSX dual booted) so I am not against apple but just find their phones inferior in every way to android from hardware (fact) to OS (opinion).
When I was in SF this past weekend, pretty much all I saw (of smartphones) anywhere, were iPhones. It honestly surprised me, but then again, it was SF, between the tourists, hipsters, artists, etc.
It probably helps that they're so easy to spot, either a) it was a 4/4S, or they were using a tacky case with the hole in the back, so that Apple logo is showing, or some people had no case at all.
And while I have no problems with what ICS offers (as a former Pre+ user, it has Mattias Duarte's fingerprints), but anything before that is very inconsistent, and I'm not sold on the tech spec masturbation that occurs with a lot of Android phones (specifically from Samsung).
Tech specs don't really mean that much to me, if they don't utilized that HW well, or get bogged down with some skin, and for some reason most OEM's are going wild over humongous screens. 4" would be fine, 4.3" is as far as I personally would go, but anything beyond that is borderline unpocketable.
And while I consider myself a mainly Windows guy, my 2007 Mac Mini is just OK - I just get more done with my PC, my iPhone 4S/iOS hits that happy delta on most categories as a smartphone. Nice screen, responsive UI, lots of apps, although the home button is so 2007. Android, pre ICS just felt Google flinging poo at the wall, just as long as they have a platform to push their search engine, ie ads.
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"Its performance in parts of southern Europe where most consumers don't sign contracts and have to pay full freight for phones suggests Apple's position could suffer if carriers tire of underwriting most of the cost of the devices, as some are in countries such as Denmark and Spain," the report said.
I am surprised by this article. Not only do most people in southern Europe use a prepaid plan (allowing much bigger savings), but in a number of countries such as Italy and Belgium, selling phones ONLY with a contract is outright forbidden.
That would also hold for Android phones.
Therefore I question the article's conclusions.
Besides, in Belgium, where I live, you see iPhones everywhere.
Data from IDC shows that Android took well more than half of the smartphone market in Greece and Portugal in 2011, while Apple had a very small presence both countries. It's a very different story in the U.K. and U.S., where Apple took roughly 25 percent of the entire smartphone market in 2011...
This bodes badly for Greece and Portugal, although less so if the article would also imply fewer WinPhone sales.
My wife is from the philippines and it is the same thing there. No one can afford an iphone there. Wages are on average of $100/month and that is working 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. Going to Manila to the 2nd largest mall in the world, Mall of Asia, and after walking around all day, i never saw one iphone in a store or in use anywhere. Most people still use non smart phone's and those that can afford a smart phone, have android phone's. I can attest that in the philippines, people are crazy for android. I took my Droid 3 with us and got stopped all the time to show people and got "oohs and aahs". My wife's family thought me a rock star with my fancy phone. No one I talked to and I mean "NO ONE" thought the iphone a cool phone there. They just thought it an overpriced phone for silly american's.
Oh, plenty of people can afford the iPhone in India, but there are plenty of rich people in India... but overwhelmingly more poor people who could never afford such a phone. People do think iPhone is cool though. When I got out my iPad, people would look at it very interestedly.
You seem to be an Android fan, but Android is weird and I think gives into the geeks. One of the basic things is the Dalvik VM, and that has programmer-accessible registers. Did the guys that design it understand anything about computer architecture, VMs, and stack machines. Registers (programmer accessible) are a bad idea, enforce the von Neumann bottleneck, and are against multiprocessing.
Who said they were? I suggest $250 which would give them some kind of margin for the 3GS, or cheapest device.
I think Apple should create three models based on the existing form factors when the iPhone NEXT - I don't want to get into the 5 debate - comes out. 3GS is non-retina but different price points. The lowest price point has a very low margin, the top price point is reasonable. iPhone 4, the standard normal sized phone, good margins all round, and the iPhone NEXT with very high margins.
Over all margins are maintained ish.
I say ish, because margins of 40% are not going to be maintainable. Of course if the next big thing is a TV with margins of 55% then the rest of the product line can take a margin cut.
WTF!!!The Iphone 3GS is quite a good phone. Can someone explain why it is a good idea for apple not to sell the 3GS in Finland and other countries in Europe?!?! It just means more androids sold in my opinion. Would i buy a iphone 4S for my kids? NO! Would i buy Iphone 3GS? YES! Oh WAIT I CAAAANNNTTT!!!! Ok, ill buy them and android.... Case closed!
Sometimes Apples marketing just should get their head out of their butt... Just think about it Apple CREATES androids living space. This is just a FACT!!!!
WTF!!!The Iphone 3GS is quite a good phone. Can someone explain why it is a good idea for apple not to sell the 3GS in Finland and other countries in Europe?!?! It just means more androids sold in my opinion. Would i buy a iphone 4S for my kids? NO! Would i buy Iphone 3GS? YES! Oh WAIT I CAAAANNNTTT!!!! Ok, ill buy them and android.... Case closed!
Sometimes Apples marketing just should get their head out of their butt... Just think about it Apple CREATES androids living space. This is just a FACT!!!!
Isnt this the possibility to prevail for apple to get more users into its ecosystem???
Apple is doing something right here, except for one detail, that the discount is TOO SMALL.
By now the 3GS and, soon the 4, can be produced very cheaply anyway, so increasing the discount is probably very feasible.
The trick is, how big may this price difference be, to still be able to lure potential customers into purchasing the next higher model.
It remains a known fact (we have seen this in the sale of Macs) that Apple's higher end models achieve the highest sales.
It just takes getting people in the store with their minds set on the purchase of an iPhone. Some will only be able to afford the entry level model, but others will be lured in the higher end models anyway.
Crushing? Really? I'm not seeing it?
Notice it says 'countries without subsidies'. Is Italy in the EU5?
Nowadays, all the Android based phone manufacturers are updating their handsets to the latest 2.2 foryo firmware. Last week Google nexus one got the treatment, and HTC line of handsets will get the update in the third quarter. samsung and Motorola are still thinking weather to push the update or not. While this saga is happening, Android developers are up to something different, yes its the next update. Android phones come in a variety of forms and flavors. The best smartphones running Google's innovative mobile platform. Here are list of Top ten android phones Samsung Galaxy Ace S5830 HTC RezoundM Micromax A85 Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo V Sony Ericsson Xperia Active Motorola Defy Plus Samsung Galaxy W LG Optimus Black P970 Motorola Fire XT HTC Wildfire S
Nowadays, all the Android based phone manufacturers are updating their handsets to the latest 2.2 foryo firmware. Last week Google nexus one got the treatment, and HTC line of handsets will get the update in the third quarter. samsung and Motorola are still thinking weather to push the update or not. While this saga is happening, Android developers are up to something different, yes its the next update. Android phones come in a variety of forms and flavors. The best smartphones running Google's innovative mobile platform. Here are list of Top ten android phones Samsung Galaxy Ace S5830 HTC RezoundM Micromax A85 Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo V Sony Ericsson Xperia Active Motorola Defy Plus Samsung Galaxy W LG Optimus Black P970 Motorola Fire XT HTC Wildfire S