"Theatrical piece whose goal is to create a human connection between our gorgeous devices and the brutal circumstances from which they emerge." [...] "What I do is not journalism," Daisey said. "The tools of the theater are not the same as the tools of journalism. For this reason, I regret that I allowed 'This American Life' to air an excerpt from my monologue. 'This American Life' is essentially a journalistic — not a theatrical — enterprise, and as such it operates under a different set of rules and expectations."
Which is to say, not so concerned with factual accuracy of claims.
This is a bummer for This American Life. I'm glad they're taking ownership of this, though. I would consider it to be, in all probability, the most fantastic program a person could hope to tune in to on the radio.
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what's up with these fat dudes, Michael Moore, Mike Daisey, Rush Limbaugh, etc, etc?
So... do you only notice the asses that are overweight?
In spite of his defense, he knew that what he was doing was dead wrong, proven by how he gave the wrong name of his translator and claimed her phone was disconnected. What a schmo.
As much as I never liked Mike Daisey and was offended by his performance, he is quite correct that it was a performance and was described as such right from the start. The problem only arose when a lot of stupid unprofessional tech blogs (I'm not sure if there actually *are* any professional ones), spread the story around as if it were fact.
it wasn't just the blogs. The common man that goes to see the show is told it is based on his personal 'investigations' etc and they believe that means that he is speaking truths. Or at least more truth than fiction. It could be the case they are not.
Daisey wants folks to think that there's truth to all that he is saying because the ire about those truths is what sells tickets, what gets schools etc to want to do his little show and get him more fame.
Really? I guess the "Apple Factory" needs to stop making The Xbox, Wii, PlayStation 3, Kindle and everything else non-Apple related. Also, all labor issues in China are Apple's fault. Got it. Anything else, Michael Moore wannabe?
Why didn't this a-hole say that the story had fictional parts when they were fact checking it? Why'd did he lie about his sources? Simple, because he knew exactly what he was doing, he wanted to have an entire episode to himself on the #1 podcast in the world.
So no actual punishment, then. So it's just pure slander and they're getting away with it.
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What I do is not journalism
Ah, see, what he meant to say was,
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I'm not accountable for anything that I say because I don't consider myself a news outlet.
Well this is Fox News' argument whenever they're dragged into court. They've always claimed to be an entertainment program and not a "news" program that should be held up to journalistic standards. Which always made me wonder why most people even watch most of that crap?
Seriously I was just in a conversation last night about an injury at work. It happens often due to stupid behavior. However we seldom see vast articles condemning an unrelated individual or corporation. Well in this case a "performance", I'm pretty much convinced this is alert wing feeble attempt at a grab for power.
Really it seems like the thought here is that people work for aliving and that is bad! It isn't like injuries at work are a good thing, some of them can be pretty horrific, but you can never zero out risk.
As punishment for actually taking ownership of the mistake? \
I am glad they took ownership. Doesn't mean I have to respect the bad work? Path also got deleted for violating my trust. They also had a nice apology.
It certainly seemed to be stated as real journalism and not satire yet the intro to Real Time with Bill Maher does show an image of a theater playbill which could give a legal out, though not a moral one.
Well this is Fox News' argument whenever they're dragged into court. They've always claimed to be an entertainment program and not a "news" program that should be held up to journalistic standards. Which always made me wonder why most people even watch most of that crap?
People will go to extremes to get validation for their beliefs. Frankly this is no different then the mentally ill getting a pass for murder. The old he isn't responsible because he is I'll routine is accepted by many in the same way that these entertainers are. He isn't nuts he is an actor, which excuses all. Come to think of it this seems to be what Hollywood is all about.
Frankly these guys are just sleazy examples of the do anything for a buck. They make the common whore look like an angel.
Exactly. When you report on national airwaves things as "facts" - it's generally considered by most children, to understand whether your "facts" are correct or not. Perhaps a couple million will teach this person, what common sense, his station manager and his parents failed. Before you open your mouth to condemn a company publically - it's usually best to have some facts to back you up. Sorry, made up "facts" don't count.
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American Life's next big story on U.S response to the current SYRIA CRISIS will be based on "JAMES BOND".
Is part of the joke the fact that Bond is British, or is that just secondary to the play on the unrealistic nature of such a story?
Because the former makes it funnier.
"Theatrical piece whose goal is to create a human connection between our gorgeous devices and the brutal circumstances from which they emerge." [...] "What I do is not journalism," Daisey said. "The tools of the theater are not the same as the tools of journalism. For this reason, I regret that I allowed 'This American Life' to air an excerpt from my monologue. 'This American Life' is essentially a journalistic — not a theatrical — enterprise, and as such it operates under a different set of rules and expectations."
Which is to say, not so concerned with factual accuracy of claims.
This is a bummer for This American Life. I'm glad they're taking ownership of this, though. I would consider it to be, in all probability, the most fantastic program a person could hope to tune in to on the radio.
what's up with these fat dudes, Michael Moore, Mike Daisey, Rush Limbaugh, etc, etc?
So... do you only notice the asses that are overweight?
With a face like that, I'm glad he's on radio.
Your comment just made Rush Limbaugh cry.
Correct Sequence of Steps:
1. Check the facts.
2. Air/publish the news story.
Wrong Sequence of Steps:
1. Air/publish the news story.
2. Check the facts.
As much as I never liked Mike Daisey and was offended by his performance, he is quite correct that it was a performance and was described as such right from the start. The problem only arose when a lot of stupid unprofessional tech blogs (I'm not sure if there actually *are* any professional ones), spread the story around as if it were fact.
it wasn't just the blogs. The common man that goes to see the show is told it is based on his personal 'investigations' etc and they believe that means that he is speaking truths. Or at least more truth than fiction. It could be the case they are not.
Daisey wants folks to think that there's truth to all that he is saying because the ire about those truths is what sells tickets, what gets schools etc to want to do his little show and get him more fame.
Mike Daisey and the Apple Factory
Really? I guess the "Apple Factory" needs to stop making The Xbox, Wii, PlayStation 3, Kindle and everything else non-Apple related. Also, all labor issues in China are Apple's fault. Got it. Anything else, Michael Moore wannabe?
This American Life.
As punishment for actually taking ownership of the mistake?
So no actual punishment, then. So it's just pure slander and they're getting away with it.
What I do is not journalism
Ah, see, what he meant to say was,
I'm not accountable for anything that I say because I don't consider myself a news outlet.
Well this is Fox News' argument whenever they're dragged into court. They've always claimed to be an entertainment program and not a "news" program that should be held up to journalistic standards. Which always made me wonder why most people even watch most of that crap?
Really it seems like the thought here is that people work for aliving and that is bad! It isn't like injuries at work are a good thing, some of them can be pretty horrific, but you can never zero out risk.
So... do you only notice the asses that are overweight?
I think this guy had the same problem.
As punishment for actually taking ownership of the mistake?
I am glad they took ownership. Doesn't mean I have to respect the bad work? Path also got deleted for violating my trust. They also had a nice apology.
Well this is Fox News' argument whenever they're dragged into court. They've always claimed to be an entertainment program and not a "news" program that should be held up to journalistic standards. Which always made me wonder why most people even watch most of that crap?
People will go to extremes to get validation for their beliefs. Frankly this is no different then the mentally ill getting a pass for murder. The old he isn't responsible because he is I'll routine is accepted by many in the same way that these entertainers are. He isn't nuts he is an actor, which excuses all. Come to think of it this seems to be what Hollywood is all about.
Frankly these guys are just sleazy examples of the do anything for a buck. They make the common whore look like an angel.
Apple should sue him for slander/libel.
Exactly. When you report on national airwaves things as "facts" - it's generally considered by most children, to understand whether your "facts" are correct or not. Perhaps a couple million will teach this person, what common sense, his station manager and his parents failed. Before you open your mouth to condemn a company publically - it's usually best to have some facts to back you up. Sorry, made up "facts" don't count.