Nokia is a dying company. They sold their soul to the devil (Microsoft) and are now paying the price. This whole SIMgate shows how they want to cripple innovation by using their patents to stifle innovation.
What innovation, you mean the hard work that went into Apple grabbing a pair of scissors to cut around an existing SIM format to make their new and improved Nano chip. Am I the only one seeing this. Do you think there was any thought process that went into Apples design other then hand me the exacto knife. Nokia, RIM and Motorola at least designed a completely new system.
I hate being like this as I like Apple products but in this case I'm sorry their in the wrong. Even if they do get away with it, the legal aftermath will be tremendous.
from earlier this year. Notice, there is no Nokia since there are just a Microsoft Windows Phone 7 clone maker. Where is that line? 2%....LOL. Yes, Nokia is dead. They are nothing but a windows clone maker now with nothing to differentiate their phones with thus no hope of every gaining market share.
That article is referring to the US market share, incase you don't know there are a lot more countries in the world that just the US
I'm an Apple fan but I don't see Apple's point in this.
What exactly is their "patented innovation"? They've managed to cut the existing SIM card into pure minimum. How exactly is that something worth patenting, a great innovation they're giving away for free?
It seems more like the Apple-offer is about getting free access to the existing patents covering the SIM card. The SIM card contains memory, processor and everything so I'm pretty sure there are quite a few parties involved -- excluding Apple as it's new in the game.
The Nokia-RIM-Motorola alliance could come forward what they're proposing as it seems it's actually something that's new compared to the existing SIM cards.
1) Apple's design does not preclude it's use in devices without SIM trays, but the tray design is better because it's actually smaller than the ejection mechanism needed to eject a SIM of that size.
Apple's design does basically preclude a slot loaded design. There's no built in locking mechanism to hold the SIM card in place in a slot (like the notch on Nokia's design).
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2) The tray design is also better for alignment of the SIM (which is crucial at such small sizes), more secure, more protected, and with less moving parts than a slot loading design.
3) The tray design takes fewer movements and less time to get at the sim unless you just leave an open slot on the side of the device, which is open to the elements.
The designs by Nokia and RIM do no preclude a tray design. They offer the best of both worlds, a design that can be both tray loaded and slot-loaded. Something that Apple's design does not easily provide.
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4) The fact that the contacts on Apple's design are exactly the same contacts on the microSIM as well as exactly the same contacts as are on the regular SIM, means that Apples design is far more backwards compatible than the others. With a simple adapter or the clipped plastic from one of the larger sim models, it can be instantly transformed back into the two older size SIMs and re-used in phones that use those sizes. Nokia's and RIM's designs require a complete break with all older devices.
It's the next gen design. Who cares about backwards compatibility?
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5) It's the smallest of the three.
Actually Apple's design is the LARGEST of the three. Nokia: 10 mm x 8 mm (80 mm2), RIM: 11 mm x 9 mm (99 mm2), Apple: 12.3 mm x 8.8 mm (108.24 mm2).
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The way I see it, that's one minor possible drawback vs. many major advantages for Apple's design over Nokia's or RIM's.
Actually the only advantage is backwards compatibility. Everything else is a wash (they're all capable of being used in a tray design) or favors Nokia and RIM (size and allowing for slot loading designs). So it's one minor advantage with Apple vs. many major advantages with Nokia and RIM.
Feel free to try again to convince me how Apple's design is "obviously superior."
There's also another issue to consider that I hadn't been aware of. China is on a continuing path of setting their own standards rather than be held to Western standards standards setting groups. They've already decided that H.264 (telecommunications) isn't robust enough for their tastes. (Read as not capable of keeping on eye on the citizenry as well as they wish)
They've instead developed their own standard, Surveillance Video and Audio Coding or SVAC. Why does this matter to anyone in the US, Australia, or Europe? Because China's market is growing faster than those in the West, and garnering a lot of attention. Even Apple has recognized them as their fastest growing opportunity. Companies wanting to sell security cameras in China will have to adopt their standard and many may choose to make SVAC the sole standard for their product rather than the US and EU-preferred H.264.
How long before China makes the demand that computers, tablets or smartphones adopt specific Chinese standards before they're approved for sale there. Has it already happened and just being kept under wraps? China is probably strong enough to make their own demands for specific functions needed to monitor their citizenry. We saw a glimpse of that a couple years ago when Google resisted China demands to limit search results to those with government approval. Relations between China and Google have never completely recovered. China instead pushed their own home-grown Baidu.
Here in the West we might fight over standards, but that doesn't mean the Chinese care. They're big enough to insist on their own standards, and with enough growing demand that some manufacturer's might opt for China's alone, particularly if the price is right.
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Nokia is a dying company. They sold their soul to the devil (Microsoft) and are now paying the price. This whole SIMgate shows how they want to cripple innovation by using their patents to stifle innovation.
What innovation, you mean the hard work that went into Apple grabbing a pair of scissors to cut around an existing SIM format to make their new and improved Nano chip. Am I the only one seeing this. Do you think there was any thought process that went into Apples design other then hand me the exacto knife. Nokia, RIM and Motorola at least designed a completely new system.
I hate being like this as I like Apple products but in this case I'm sorry their in the wrong. Even if they do get away with it, the legal aftermath will be tremendous.
http://www.industrygamers.com/news/i...xceed-android/
from earlier this year. Notice, there is no Nokia since there are just a Microsoft Windows Phone 7 clone maker. Where is that line? 2%....LOL. Yes, Nokia is dead. They are nothing but a windows clone maker now with nothing to differentiate their phones with thus no hope of every gaining market share.
That article is referring to the US market share, incase you don't know there are a lot more countries in the world that just the US
What exactly is their "patented innovation"? They've managed to cut the existing SIM card into pure minimum. How exactly is that something worth patenting, a great innovation they're giving away for free?
It seems more like the Apple-offer is about getting free access to the existing patents covering the SIM card. The SIM card contains memory, processor and everything so I'm pretty sure there are quite a few parties involved -- excluding Apple as it's new in the game.
The Nokia-RIM-Motorola alliance could come forward what they're proposing as it seems it's actually something that's new compared to the existing SIM cards.
1) Apple's design does not preclude it's use in devices without SIM trays, but the tray design is better because it's actually smaller than the ejection mechanism needed to eject a SIM of that size.
Apple's design does basically preclude a slot loaded design. There's no built in locking mechanism to hold the SIM card in place in a slot (like the notch on Nokia's design).
2) The tray design is also better for alignment of the SIM (which is crucial at such small sizes), more secure, more protected, and with less moving parts than a slot loading design.
3) The tray design takes fewer movements and less time to get at the sim unless you just leave an open slot on the side of the device, which is open to the elements.
The designs by Nokia and RIM do no preclude a tray design. They offer the best of both worlds, a design that can be both tray loaded and slot-loaded. Something that Apple's design does not easily provide.
4) The fact that the contacts on Apple's design are exactly the same contacts on the microSIM as well as exactly the same contacts as are on the regular SIM, means that Apples design is far more backwards compatible than the others. With a simple adapter or the clipped plastic from one of the larger sim models, it can be instantly transformed back into the two older size SIMs and re-used in phones that use those sizes. Nokia's and RIM's designs require a complete break with all older devices.
It's the next gen design. Who cares about backwards compatibility?
5) It's the smallest of the three.
Actually Apple's design is the LARGEST of the three. Nokia: 10 mm x 8 mm (80 mm2), RIM: 11 mm x 9 mm (99 mm2), Apple: 12.3 mm x 8.8 mm (108.24 mm2).
The way I see it, that's one minor possible drawback vs. many major advantages for Apple's design over Nokia's or RIM's.
Actually the only advantage is backwards compatibility. Everything else is a wash (they're all capable of being used in a tray design) or favors Nokia and RIM (size and allowing for slot loading designs). So it's one minor advantage with Apple vs. many major advantages with Nokia and RIM.
Feel free to try again to convince me how Apple's design is "obviously superior."
And Nokia and RiM are excluded from this "all about money" theory?
And where did I say it wasn't about money for Nokia and RIM? It's definitely about the money for them and they've been pretty upfront about that.
They've instead developed their own standard, Surveillance Video and Audio Coding or SVAC. Why does this matter to anyone in the US, Australia, or Europe? Because China's market is growing faster than those in the West, and garnering a lot of attention. Even Apple has recognized them as their fastest growing opportunity. Companies wanting to sell security cameras in China will have to adopt their standard and many may choose to make SVAC the sole standard for their product rather than the US and EU-preferred H.264.
How long before China makes the demand that computers, tablets or smartphones adopt specific Chinese standards before they're approved for sale there. Has it already happened and just being kept under wraps? China is probably strong enough to make their own demands for specific functions needed to monitor their citizenry. We saw a glimpse of that a couple years ago when Google resisted China demands to limit search results to those with government approval. Relations between China and Google have never completely recovered. China instead pushed their own home-grown Baidu.
Here in the West we might fight over standards, but that doesn't mean the Chinese care. They're big enough to insist on their own standards, and with enough growing demand that some manufacturer's might opt for China's alone, particularly if the price is right.
http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standa...20331114558892