Apple predicted to discontinue 17-inch MacBook Pro

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  • Reply 121 of 199
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bikertwin View Post

    The current 17" is 1920 by 1200. They're moving everything to Retina, right?


     


    Not for a year or so.


     


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    Plus, as other people pointed out, the sales numbers of 17-inchers are just low, low, low.






    How do you know?

  • Reply 122 of 199


    I would prefer 11", 13", 15" Mac Books. Just drop the pro and air moniker as these models will have the air design. Drop the 17" mac book and give us a mac pro rack mountable in 3U.

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    Well that would SUCK, since the last Mac I bought was a 17" MBP, and the next one would likely be the same...  :(

  • Reply 124 of 199
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member

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    Originally Posted by GadgetCanada View Post

    Drop the 17" mac book and give us a mac pro rack mountable in 3U.


     


    And that does what for people who want a 17" laptop, exactly?

  • Reply 125 of 199
    haggarhaggar Posts: 1,568member


     


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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


     


    "I refuse to accept that other people have different use cases than me. Cater only to my whims."


     



     


    Remember those words next time there is a discussion about the Mac Pro, Xserve, or serviceability of iMacs.

  • Reply 126 of 199
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member

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    Originally Posted by Haggar View Post

    Remember those words next time there is a discussion about the Mac Pro, Xserve, or serviceability of iMacs.


     


    I don't know of anyone petitioning for less-accessible iMacs… And I'm against the discontinuation of the Mac Pro, so I'm confused as to your point.

  • Reply 127 of 199
    jjm3jjm3 Posts: 6member


    My last three Macs have all been 17" laptops: 2005 17" PowerBook G4, 2007 17" MacBook Pro and 2008 17" MacBook Pro. I'm anxiously (and now, thanks to this ridiculous analyst's fairy tale, nervously) awaiting the next generation of Mac laptops so I can upgrade.


     


    I've been a video professional for 13 years, and I spent the first 5 of those years using 15" PowerBooks. Moving up to 17" (once they became available) was fantastic; I never want to go down a size again.


     


    The only other size Mac laptop I'd ever want to buy apart from 17" is 19", 21", even 27": seriously, a portfolio case I can fold over would be heaven.

  • Reply 128 of 199
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member


     


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    Originally Posted by nht View Post


     


     


    I can tell you that the 17", outside of business class, was annoying.  The 15" is much better.  YMMV.



     


    Whether that's true or not, what does it have to do with the suggestion that one should carry around an external display instead of buying a 17"? 


     


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    Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post


     


     


    Actually, I think you misunderstood me.  People who use 15-inchers are rare, but I didn't say anything against them.  The people who buy the 17" are the ones I would say were primarily "show-offs" (again only based on my experience, but .... I have a LOT of experience with these machines). 



     


    So your point is that you don't have enough real world experience to understand that for many people, the larger display has great value in terms of usability?



    I have always found my 17" MBP to be far more practical than smaller ones.


     


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    Originally Posted by macxpress View Post


     


     


    So get a high-res 15" and you'll have the same screen real-estate. I'm assuming Apple is going to put some kind of very high res 15" panel in the new 15" MBP or whatever they call it. Just because its a 17" doesn't mean you have more space to do things. 



     


    First, your statement is false. The high res 15" is 1680 x 1050 while the 17" has 1900 x 1200. So you can put more on the screen with the 17".




    But even if your statement were true, having the larger screen makes it easier for those of us who no longer have 20 year old eyesight.

  • Reply 129 of 199
    jousterjouster Posts: 460member
    gazoobee wrote: »
    <p>  </p><div class="quote-container"> <span>Quote:</span> <div class="quote-block"> Originally Posted by <strong>lightknight</strong> <a href="/t/149540/apple-predicted-to-discontinue-17-inch-macbook-pro#post_2099456"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /> <br /> <p> ... reasonning that says "people who disagree with my opinion are mostly poseurs" is untrustworthy. ...</p> <p>  </p> </div></div><p> I didn't mean that they were poseurs for disagreeing with my opinion.  Everyone is free to do that of course (and often does).  :)</p><p>  </p><p> I see hundreds of Apple laptops a year in my job, being bought by all kinds of people for all kinds of uses and in my experience, over the long haul, and on average, almost <strong>no one</strong> buys a 15" or a 17" MacBook Pro, although the 15" is far more popular than the 17".  Those that do (again IMO), tend to be show-offs, or concerned with having the "biggest/best" laptop in the room far more than they are concerned with issues connected with actually using the machine.  </p><p>  </p><p> All the real pros I know are more likely to be using a 13", or maybe a 15" if they need the screen size.  I would say the majority of the power users and the majority of users in general have already moved to MacBook Airs.  The 17" MacBook Pro is just over the top for almost everyone (only 1.6% of all Mac laptop users have a 17" model by the numbers in the article).  </p><p>  </p><p> When someone comes into my office with one of these beasts, most of the staff kind of roll their eyes when the person isn't looking as it's usually someone with more money and more pride than they have common sense.  It's not nice to hear perhaps, but it's true in my neck of the woods anyway.  </p><p>  </p>

    Ah, those mythical "real pros" and "power users".... What exactly are they again? Why are 15" or 17" users unable to claim such an exalted status?

    I ask because all the real pros and power users I know are using larger MacBook pros. Only show-offs, poseurs and snobs use Airs!

    Oh no! Clashing anecdotes! What now?
  • Reply 130 of 199
    modemode Posts: 163member


     


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    Originally Posted by lightknight View Post


     


     




    What kind of person writes "I hope XXX company stops building this product other people buy because it doesn't fit in my idea about what people should be allowed to buy"?


     


    Please emigrate to North Korea, thank you very much, good bye.



     




    The same kind of people who think eye destroying glossy displays are wonderful - and anyone who wants to keep their vision is a troll.

  • Reply 131 of 199
    winterwinter Posts: 1,238member


    I can't see this happening and hope it is not true. Who knows though.

  • Reply 132 of 199
    elderlocelderloc Posts: 146member
    I love all this talk about rednecks and posers, that use 17" machines, and how they are so heavy. This is my 3rd 17" MBP and I spend 95%+ per year on the road all over the world, it's 6 pounds sure there are lighter laptops but give me a f'ing break it's 6 pounds, most american need a heavier laptop, its the only exercise some of my IT peers get. Now why do I like the 17? well lets see the screen for my huge architectural drawings, flow charts to name a few I'm an enterprise architect the larger screen makes it easier to shuffle crap. Second I like the screen because in the event the stupid tv at the hilton or other hotel doesn't have an HDMI or DVI cable I can if I choose to watch movies in 1080p. Third I have never had a 17" macbook pro run hot like a few of the 15s. Last but not least up until TB I liked having the express card slot.

    So yeah for me it's the screen I'd hate to lose the 2", I know new displays will help with this but I figured the 17" would be the last of the full featured Apple Notebooks with optical drive, a desktop replacement of sorts. I hate carrying extra things far more than a few pounds. However I only use my Superdrive when I'm in the Middle East or China, and it's only a few times a year.

    Hopefully Apple has something really special if they are going to contract their product line. If they axe the 17" with out a much higher display on the 15" I'll be pretty pissed. There is a better case to keep the Mac Pro than the 17" if you look at it, but that all depends on what comes in the way of screen on the next machine. Either way if they axe the 17" those that love it are boned and will just have to move on.

    Hell this 2009 2.93 17" with 8 gig of ram is in mint condition even after all the travel, and I've only had to replace the battery under warranty because it swelled. It could last for a few more years by then we could have flying cars, and contact based displays with cell phone implants :-)

  • Reply 133 of 199
    jousterjouster Posts: 460member
    elderloc wrote: »
    ..but give me a f'ing break it's 6 pounds, most american need a heavier laptop, its the only exercise some of my IT peers get.

    Lol. Sad but (in my experience too) true...

    More seriously, as a generally pretty fit person, 6.6lbs on its own is no big deal. But added to a briefcase full of papers (alas, only so much can be digital even these days) it can get heavy. And said briefcase is just a little too small for me.

    But still my next MBP will be a 17" if they are available. I do some event photography and every pixel is helpful in post.

  • Reply 134 of 199
    nhtnht Posts: 4,522member


     


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    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


     


    Whether that's true or not, what does it have to do with the suggestion that one should carry around an external display instead of buying a 17"? 


     



     


    It's all about tradeoffs. I found the 17" MBP sufficiently unwieldy on an airplane that unless hard pressed by a deadline I'd just as soon watch a movie vs working.  Lugging around a 24" display is a non-starter but a 15.6" 1600x900 monitor that's 1" thick and weighs 3 lbs. in your carry on might be a better trade off than having a 17" MBP. 


     


    A 4.5 lb. 13" MBP quad-core 2.5 GHz Core i7 MBP with 1440x900 screen, Radeon 6770, dual TB ports on the airplane coupled with that external display in the field might be the best of both worlds (until the MBP melted).


     


    The combo is a pound heavier than the 17" MBP and weight is always an issue but when I had the RAID drive I had to drag along an annoying pelican case anyway.  Stuffing that monitor in wouldn't have been a problem.  It really depends on how mobile you need to be in the field.  If you need to be both very mobile during the day AND have 17" to work then a 2nd monitor is a no-go.  If you set up in the AM and tear down in the PM it'll probably be better to have that 2nd monitor.  


     


    I'm not a video guy so I dunno what is a common workflow for them.

  • Reply 135 of 199
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 5,363member


     


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    First, your statement is false. The high res 15" is 1680 x 1050 while the 17" has 1900 x 1200. So you can put more on the screen with the 17".




    But even if your statement were true, having the larger screen makes it easier for those of us who no longer have 20 year old eyesight.



     


    No, its not false. Apparently you're 20 year old eyesight didn't read my post properly. I was assuming there would be a very high res 15" to make up for the loss of the 17" model. I know very well that currently the 17" has a larger resolution than the 15". If you can read the high res on a 17" then it shouldn't be any issue on the 15". 

  • Reply 136 of 199
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member


     


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    Originally Posted by macxpress View Post


     


     


    No, its not false. Apparently you're 20 year old eyesight didn't read my post properly. I was assuming there would be a very high res 15" to make up for the loss of the 17" model. I know very well that currently the 17" has a larger resolution than the 15". If you can read the high res on a 17" then it shouldn't be any issue on the 15". 



     


    If Apple offers a very high resolution 15", why wouldn't they offer an even higher resolution 17"? Since you're making things up, anyway.....


     




    And for any given resolution, the 17" will be easier to read than the 15".

  • Reply 137 of 199
    myapplelovemyapplelove Posts: 1,515member
    mode wrote: »
    <p>  </p><div class="quote-container"> <span>Quote:</span> <div class="quote-block"> Originally Posted by <strong>lightknight</strong> <a href="/t/149540/apple-predicted-to-discontinue-17-inch-macbook-pro#post_2099447"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /> <br /> <p>  </p> <p>  </p> <p> <br /> What kind of person writes "I hope XXX company stops building this product other people buy because it doesn't fit in my idea about what people should be allowed to buy"?</p> <p>  </p> <p> Please emigrate to North Korea, thank you very much, good bye.</p> </div></div><p>  </p><p> <br /> The same kind of people who think eye destroying glossy displays are wonderful - and anyone who wants to keep their vision is a troll.</p>

    Lol. Apple could discontinue their whole macbook pro line up tomorrow and the'd still be people here claiming that it would benefit customers and usher them into a new era of post pc computing.


    (btw, what's all that formatting garbage that huddler outputs with the quote, you can't read the original quote you are replying to this way... I hope you guys have not started paying them any money yet. )
  • Reply 138 of 199


     


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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post




    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GadgetCanada View Post

    Drop the 17" mac book and give us a mac pro rack mountable in 3U.


     


    And that does what for people who want a 17" laptop, exactly?



     


    I think that once they try a 15 inch MBP, they will realize that Apple was right.

  • Reply 139 of 199


    There is little or no chance that Apple will give up the 17 inch market. as small as it may be, it is still a large number of units (not to mention accessories and applecare). No other manufacture has plans (announced) for removing their 17 inch laptop "decktop replacement".


    Thinking that Apple will remove these from the market is a little like saying that mercedes is going to stop selling the Maybach because they are outrageous.


    Yes they may be but that in and of itself is a marketing plus. some people just naturally want MAX everything!! if they can afford it just exactly is wrong with that. It sounds to me like there are plenty of people who just plain cant afford a 17 inch MBP and have sour grapes. Just because you cant have one or dont want one doesn't mean that Apple shouldn't sell one.


     


    when it comes to the next gen it makes total sense to make MacBook Pros with no moving parts (except the fan). BIG flash Hard drives, ports a plenty, quad core processors, and BIG FLAT BATTERIES.


     


    here will be a couple of disadvantages.  Video card, going to the built in intel just is not as powerful as the current offering. Hard drives that are smaller.(BUT MUCH MUCH FASTER)


     


    So size for speed? A worthy trade off.  


    17inch retina display will prive VERY VERY EXPENSIVE and may be the limiting factor.


    Imagine a new thin and thin 17 inch macbook pro with a 640 gig flash drive and a retena 2K display. This would be nice for professional video editing. if attached to a 2k monitor? WOW that would be nice.


     


    YMF


     


     

  • Reply 140 of 199


     


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by yaesumofo View Post


    Thinking that Apple will remove these from the market is a little like saying that mercedes is going to stop selling the Maybach because they are outrageous.


     


    YMF


     



     


    Mercedes is reportedly discontinuing the Maybach in 2013.

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