<p> </p><div class="quote-container"> <span>Quote:</span> <div class="quote-block"> Originally Posted by <strong>jnjnjn</strong> <a href="/t/149686/apple-considered-physical-keyboard-for-first-iphone#post_2102453"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /> <br /> <div class="quote-container"> You probably have a record player at home, because LP's sound way better than anything digital.</div> </div></div><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> More accurately, some analog LPs, played on some systems sound better (in certain respects) than some digital sources played on any system.</p><p> </p><p> Some digital sources sound better than others. Same with analog.</p>
In addition to your good post: The new movie, The Hobbit, is being shot at 48 frames per second. According to Peter Jackson the sharpness of each frame makes the overall viewing experience much better as each frame has less blur due to capturing less motion. The viewer is getting much more of the available sharpness of the lens and film with only a change in the frames per second.
GOSH DANG IT, JUST SHOOT SIXTY. Cameron is shooting in 60fps from now on; why won't everyone just do that?! Sixty is already established; why use 48?
nah, I don't have a good enough pair of speakers to appreciate the difference. I try to make sure I know where my limitations are-- I'm not the kind of guy that just blindly gets the "best" components without making sure the rest of my system can support it.
I am in the process of slowing converting my music collection to FLAC; though its been a PITA trying to find all my old source material.
WRT to keyboards, the only ones I will buy are cherry MX blues. Currently using this Rosewill, and its been pretty damn good.
I'm sure there are people who can type pretty fast on virtual keyboards. I'm not one of them. Plus half the time autocorrect pisses me off.
Ok. Just checking.
I find Apples minimalistic keyboards (the real ones) excellentl to type on. This is because I can position my hands around the keyboard and rest them on the desktop. Very nice and and accurate typing and ergonomic too.
The auto correct option (it is an option, you can turn it of in settings) is not for everyone.
I know people that seriously dislike it, but have no complaints about virtual typing.
I use two main languages and it is annoying if the language button is hit by accident. Otherwise it's an execllent feature and works fine for me, you must however be willing to 'trust the system' and understand that the system learns from its autocorrect mistakes.
<p> GOSH DANG IT, JUST SHOOT SIXTY. Cameron is shooting in 60fps from now on; why won't everyone just do that?! Sixty is already established; why use 48?</p>
Converting 60fps to 50fps isn't that nice. The world is a lot bigger than the US alone.
I'm glad they went without the physical keyboard. In hindsight it is easy to see the beauty of such a disruption, like multiple keyboards available to a single device. My favorite thing about the on-screen keyboard is that it is one less thing to break. It still sucks mightily when one key on the keyboard breaks (it's almost always the 'e' key too). Of course Apple has a history of being the first to ditch what some people believe to be an integral part of a system. We all remember the wails of despair when they dropped the 3.5" floppy from the iMac. And its still fun to watch the optical disc/drive in the throes of its death too. CD's, DVDs and blue ray discs are dying and I ca't wait to not see another one.
<p> "Audiophiles" who have more money than brains claim that. Unfortunately, no one has ever shown it to be true in a properly conducted double blind study. <br /> <br /> But feel free to continue writing on your CDs with green magic marker if it makes you happy.</p>
You must see it like this: when the CD was introduced in 1984, the claim was that an excellent LP system (the ones with the very special needles and concrete wall anchors and very special suspension systems) was way better than the CD all the time (at least if the LP was new and only played once).
So it took them a wile to come to this point.
But I do know of very serious tests at the time that showed that people with absolute pitch could recognize a CD from master tape or LP. The complaint was that the CD sound was to 'sharp' and mechanical.
Of course Philips (the inventor of the CD (*)) denied this, but later research showed that the effect was measurable and real. The reason was that the DA converters at the time were not good enough and had to be improved to get rid of this 'sharp mechanical' effect.
After introducing 1 bit over sampling (a marketing term that stood for 256x over sampling, if I recall that correctly), all problems were solved and the CD was truly superior in evey aspect.
J.
(*) Sony was the official co inventor, but anyone with real knowledge of the situation (like me) knows that Sony was only co inventor in name; Philips had to have a strong partner to push the CD standard and this was the price to pay.
<div class="quote-container"> <span>Quote:</span> <div class="quote-block"> Originally Posted by <strong>SolipsismX</strong> <a href="/t/149686/apple-considered-physical-keyboard-for-first-iphone#post_2102374"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /> UHD is the future, too, but for some reason I can't find anyone who makes those displays nor any 7,680 × 4,320 content. Funny that. <div class="bbcode_indent" style="margin-left:4em"> </div> </div></div><p> </p><p> Sharp makes Super Hi-Vision TVs, I think. </p><p> <br /> Well, <em>a</em> Super Hi-Vision TV. Don't ask the price. I don't remember it and it's probably six figures.</p>
Yeah! You'd probably need to spend an additional six figures on storage devices and by the time you buy a camera to shoot video like that, another six figures.
Smartphones were trending in that direction prior to the iPhone. Granted Apple definitely accelerated the progress.
I'm saddened by the de-emphasis of the physical QWERTY keyboard though. I'm eligible for an upgrade, but I've been holding onto my G2 because I can't find a decent phone with a physical keyboard anymore. As good as the virtual keyboards of today are (and I've used everything from the iphone's to swype), I'm always faster and more accurate when I switch to the physical keyboard on my phone. Not to mention I will always prefer the feel of physical keys (even a mediocre one such as the G2) over something virtual.
1. Stop whining.
2. Buy 3rd party case with attached physical keyboard.
3. Whine about something else with obvious solution.
In addition to your good post: The new movie, The Hobbit, is being shot at 48 frames per second. According to Peter Jackson the sharpness of each frame makes the overall viewing experience much better as each frame has less blur due to capturing less motion. The viewer is getting much more of the available sharpness of the lens and film with only a change in the frames per second.
What does FPS have to do with how much motion is captured by a single frame? The sharpness of an individual frame is determined by shutter speed, not by frame rate.
What does FPS have to do with how much motion is captured by a single frame? The sharpness of an individual frame is determined by shutter speed, not by frame rate.
Yeah! You'd probably need to spend an additional six figures on storage devices and by the time you buy a camera to shoot video like that, another six figures.
I think that HVD using HEVC as the codec for the video could handle those movies quite easily.
But you're right; the cameras are impossibly expensive right now.
SHV is, however, the last meaningful resolution we'll ever have to see advertisers whining about. The eye can't parse greater detail than what it can provide.
<p> </p><div class="quote-container"> <span>Quote:</span> <div class="quote-block"> Originally Posted by <strong>Rogifan</strong> <a href="/t/149686/apple-considered-physical-keyboard-for-first-iphone#post_2102470"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /> <br /> OT - anyone know who David Keppelmeyer is? He tweeted this morning that rumor is Jonathan Ive has resigned from Apple. All twitter says is he's the CEO of the Keppelmeyer Group. Exact tweet, time stamped 5:13 AM is:<br /> Whispers around the traps is that Jnathan Ive has just resigned from Apple. More to come.</div></div><p> </p><p> He is not someone to believe or even listen to</p>
For something like commercial television standards, the spec needs to be created before the equipment can start to be built. Heck, even if the spec is approved, not all technologies will end up being commercially successful (e.g., consumer Beta, SACD, HD-DVD).
The camera technology is approaching to the UHD standard; the RED Epic is pretty close. The first content will probably be viewable in movie theaters, not on your TV at home.
This is correct. The BBC will be filming parts of the Olympics in Super Hi-Vision and showing the content in a few cinemas in the UK.
This is correct. The BBC will be filming parts of the Olympics in Super Hi-Vision and showing the content in a few cinemas in the UK.
At some point, I have to wonder 'how much is enough'? For the first 50-60 years of TV, improvements were obvious. Color was obviously better than b/w. LCD TVs were a big improvement. HDTV was a big improvement. But the difference is becoming more subtle. Blu-Ray is just not that much different than DVD, for example. And as we step beyond Blu-Ray, I wonder if the difference will be visible at all.
It's much like the evolution of computers. For 40 years, newer computers were important because performance was never fast enough. But today, for most users, even a low end computer is more than sufficient and the driving force for new computers is much lower.
At some point, I have to wonder 'how much is enough'? For the first 50-60 years of TV, improvements were obvious. Color was obviously better than b/w. LCD TVs were a big improvement. HDTV was a big improvement. But the difference is becoming more subtle. Blu-Ray is just not that much different than DVD, for example. And as we step beyond Blu-Ray, I wonder if the difference will be visible at all.
There is absolutely no way to say that Blu-ray is not much different than DVD.
S-VHS = 159,840 px
DVD = 345,600 px (2.1x as many pixels as VHS)
BRD = 2,073,600 px 6x as many pixels as DVD, 13x as many pixels as VHS) (/INDENT]
That's a huge difference, not to mention the codec advancement over MPEG-2 in DVD. Then you add on the various types and sizes of displays used for TVs and you see a much faster and more profound trend over the 50-60 years of terrestrial broadcasts on a CRT TV.
Touch screen interface on the iPhone was revolutionary but to me only so because it eventually enabled the real revolutionary device the iPad to become a valid product category. Ever since switching to a keyboard phone after three iPhone thefts I 've found that touch screen plus physical keyboard works the best for me. I cant even consider going back to a touchscreen phone alone, not unless they go haptic. The ipad another story, ans now almost all my forum, quick mail and notes etc. etc. input is based on the onscreen keyboard, but I can't go all on screen keyboard on the iPad either and dock it to get some major writing work done on a apple physical one.
So buttons on a phone ftw for me at the moment...funny how things work.
Comments
Do you like virtual keyboards?
J.
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky
In addition to your good post: The new movie, The Hobbit, is being shot at 48 frames per second. According to Peter Jackson the sharpness of each frame makes the overall viewing experience much better as each frame has less blur due to capturing less motion. The viewer is getting much more of the available sharpness of the lens and film with only a change in the frames per second.
GOSH DANG IT, JUST SHOOT SIXTY. Cameron is shooting in 60fps from now on; why won't everyone just do that?! Sixty is already established; why use 48?
Ok. Just checking.
I find Apples minimalistic keyboards (the real ones) excellentl to type on. This is because I can position my hands around the keyboard and rest them on the desktop. Very nice and and accurate typing and ergonomic too.
The auto correct option (it is an option, you can turn it of in settings) is not for everyone.
I know people that seriously dislike it, but have no complaints about virtual typing.
I use two main languages and it is annoying if the language button is hit by accident. Otherwise it's an execllent feature and works fine for me, you must however be willing to 'trust the system' and understand that the system learns from its autocorrect mistakes.
J.
Converting 60fps to 50fps isn't that nice. The world is a lot bigger than the US alone.
J.
I'm glad they went without the physical keyboard. In hindsight it is easy to see the beauty of such a disruption, like multiple keyboards available to a single device. My favorite thing about the on-screen keyboard is that it is one less thing to break. It still sucks mightily when one key on the keyboard breaks (it's almost always the 'e' key too). Of course Apple has a history of being the first to ditch what some people believe to be an integral part of a system. We all remember the wails of despair when they dropped the 3.5" floppy from the iMac. And its still fun to watch the optical disc/drive in the throes of its death too. CD's, DVDs and blue ray discs are dying and I ca't wait to not see another one.
You must see it like this: when the CD was introduced in 1984, the claim was that an excellent LP system (the ones with the very special needles and concrete wall anchors and very special suspension systems) was way better than the CD all the time (at least if the LP was new and only played once).
So it took them a wile to come to this point.
But I do know of very serious tests at the time that showed that people with absolute pitch could recognize a CD from master tape or LP. The complaint was that the CD sound was to 'sharp' and mechanical.
Of course Philips (the inventor of the CD (*)) denied this, but later research showed that the effect was measurable and real. The reason was that the DA converters at the time were not good enough and had to be improved to get rid of this 'sharp mechanical' effect.
After introducing 1 bit over sampling (a marketing term that stood for 256x over sampling, if I recall that correctly), all problems were solved and the CD was truly superior in evey aspect.
J.
(*) Sony was the official co inventor, but anyone with real knowledge of the situation (like me) knows that Sony was only co inventor in name; Philips had to have a strong partner to push the CD standard and this was the price to pay.
Yeah! You'd probably need to spend an additional six figures on storage devices and by the time you buy a camera to shoot video like that, another six figures.
Quote:
Originally Posted by majjo
Smartphones were trending in that direction prior to the iPhone. Granted Apple definitely accelerated the progress.
I'm saddened by the de-emphasis of the physical QWERTY keyboard though. I'm eligible for an upgrade, but I've been holding onto my G2 because I can't find a decent phone with a physical keyboard anymore. As good as the virtual keyboards of today are (and I've used everything from the iphone's to swype), I'm always faster and more accurate when I switch to the physical keyboard on my phone. Not to mention I will always prefer the feel of physical keys (even a mediocre one such as the G2) over something virtual.
1. Stop whining.
2. Buy 3rd party case with attached physical keyboard.
3. Whine about something else with obvious solution.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Macky the Macky
In addition to your good post: The new movie, The Hobbit, is being shot at 48 frames per second. According to Peter Jackson the sharpness of each frame makes the overall viewing experience much better as each frame has less blur due to capturing less motion. The viewer is getting much more of the available sharpness of the lens and film with only a change in the frames per second.
What does FPS have to do with how much motion is captured by a single frame? The sharpness of an individual frame is determined by shutter speed, not by frame rate.
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_blur
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Originally Posted by Granmastak
Yeah! You'd probably need to spend an additional six figures on storage devices and by the time you buy a camera to shoot video like that, another six figures.
I think that HVD using HEVC as the codec for the video could handle those movies quite easily.
But you're right; the cameras are impossibly expensive right now.
SHV is, however, the last meaningful resolution we'll ever have to see advertisers whining about. The eye can't parse greater detail than what it can provide.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_blur
Yay, Wikipedia FTW!
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Originally Posted by cvaldes1831
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
UHD is the future, too, but for some reason I can't find anyone who makes those displays nor any 7,680 × 4,320 content. Funny that.
A quick Google search has unsurprisingly revealed that Canon was working on UHD prototype cameras way back in 2010.
http://photocinenews.com/2010/09/01/dvinfo-has-first-look-at-canon-uhd-camera/
For something like commercial television standards, the spec needs to be created before the equipment can start to be built. Heck, even if the spec is approved, not all technologies will end up being commercially successful (e.g., consumer Beta, SACD, HD-DVD).
The camera technology is approaching to the UHD standard; the RED Epic is pretty close. The first content will probably be viewable in movie theaters, not on your TV at home.
This is correct. The BBC will be filming parts of the Olympics in Super Hi-Vision and showing the content in a few cinemas in the UK.
I far prefer the flexibility, and advanced technology of the iPhone, but..........I must admit, I miss my BB keyboard.
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Originally Posted by rkevwill
I far prefer the flexibility, and advanced technology of the iPhone, but..........I must admit, I miss my BB keyboard.
I miss not being able to pick up the receiver and asking an operator to connect me to 1016W, and then my grandma would answer. :-(
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonnyinscotland
This is correct. The BBC will be filming parts of the Olympics in Super Hi-Vision and showing the content in a few cinemas in the UK.
At some point, I have to wonder 'how much is enough'? For the first 50-60 years of TV, improvements were obvious. Color was obviously better than b/w. LCD TVs were a big improvement. HDTV was a big improvement. But the difference is becoming more subtle. Blu-Ray is just not that much different than DVD, for example. And as we step beyond Blu-Ray, I wonder if the difference will be visible at all.
It's much like the evolution of computers. For 40 years, newer computers were important because performance was never fast enough. But today, for most users, even a low end computer is more than sufficient and the driving force for new computers is much lower.
There is absolutely no way to say that Blu-ray is not much different than DVD.
DVD = 345,600 px (2.1x as many pixels as VHS)
BRD = 2,073,600 px 6x as many pixels as DVD, 13x as many pixels as VHS) (/INDENT]
That's a huge difference, not to mention the codec advancement over MPEG-2 in DVD. Then you add on the various types and sizes of displays used for TVs and you see a much faster and more profound trend over the 50-60 years of terrestrial broadcasts on a CRT TV.
99% of what is posted here isn't news. But it is hit fodder, which is the real goal
Touch screen interface on the iPhone was revolutionary but to me only so because it eventually enabled the real revolutionary device the iPad to become a valid product category. Ever since switching to a keyboard phone after three iPhone thefts I 've found that touch screen plus physical keyboard works the best for me. I cant even consider going back to a touchscreen phone alone, not unless they go haptic. The ipad another story, ans now almost all my forum, quick mail and notes etc. etc. input is based on the onscreen keyboard, but I can't go all on screen keyboard on the iPad either and dock it to get some major writing work done on a apple physical one.
So buttons on a phone ftw for me at the moment...funny how things work.