You may want to pull your head out of the sand and do a little research. I know you hate anything not Apple but Google is your friend. News flash, you do not walk away with a cross licensing if what you say is true.
you do if that's what the parties agree to. Microsoft needed that code and was willing to pay for it after the slap down. The investment etc was the form of payment Apple agreed to take as was their legal power.
When you have someone "over a barrel" you do not offer joint licensing. Keep dreaming, you make way to many assumptions in your post. Considering you are not Bill Gates, kind of hard to speak on his behalf.
Again, maybe YOU don't. But you are not and have never run Apple. They do what they want or think is best. Regardless of what YOU think they should.
I do not want Microsoft to go away. Humiliated and made into Apple's bitch, of course. But MS and Apple are yin and yang. Their competition is what gave us iMac, iPod, iPhone, OS X. An Apple monopoly would be boring and futile.
Apple likely doesn't want them to either. At least not anytime soon. Because without Microsoft who would be the competitor to keep Apple from taking over as the monopoly in the market and thus under suspicion for everything they do as anti-trust.
Apple likely doesn't want them to either. At least not anytime soon. Because without Microsoft who would be the competitor to keep Apple from taking over as the monopoly in the market and thus under suspicion for everything they do as anti-trust.
You make a good point. If Apple's rise had been 5 years earlier MS wouldn't have had all the bru-ha-ha with the EU about browsers, for example.
Microsoft invested in apple and declared future support to its mac office suite to instill confidence not only to investors but users as well. Did this save apple? Most will argue yes. Others don't
Well, considering MSFT as we know it would not exist today without Apple, we can consider it evening the score. If the software patent laws weren't so crude when the Mac was introduced, MSFT would be a much different company today, if they had ever become relevant to begin with.
Steve Jobs went on to continue making great products that are a joy to use.
The result of Billy's decision to no longer "obsess about the size of his bank balance": Microsoft was left to stagnate under Ballmer, and is today the laughingstock of the industry.
Thanks, Bill.
Philanthropy doesn't give us iPads, iPhones, iOS, and Retina Macs.
Yeah, I'm really friggin sure that MS fans/Windows sufferers were more than understanding that they had to wait over three years for a subpar mobile platform, among other things which MS half-assed since Gates' absence, and which MS fans and hapless users who had no choice had to stomach. Not to mention the Rise of Apple, which has pushed many a Windows user/fan over to the Apple ecosystem.
"Hey, no problem. That's ok. At least Bill's doing charity work." LOL
(But hey, these things would have probably happened under Gates anyway. He wasn't exactly what you'd call visionary.)
Amazon's future is probably going to be backed by their cloud stuff. Their diversification will save them, or in any case provide a decent platform to do whatever else they want to do.
As for Microsoft though, there's nothing on the horizon. Sharepoint, maybe. That's it. Game over. I agree with anantk... Windows 8 will be the final confirmation of the decrepitude into which Microsoft has now sunk, with no way out.
Not at all. If anything, Microsoft will de-emphasize Sharepoint and it's related services and focus heavily on it's cloud apps. Cloud based office will be used by everyone, including iPad users, even if only because they will be forced to if they want to get work done. There simply are no competitors in this area. My emphasis here is on enterprise management systems and support. Microsoft has a ton on the horizon, just not stuff that every normal consumer will want to use.
Check back 2 years from now when Windows 8 is well into it's lifetime and includes at least 1 service pack. There's no argument that W8 is a drastic change from what is standard. I suspect it will be similar to Windows XP though in which it was impossible to hate it anymore upon release, and then beloved when users get used to it. Microsoft does very /very/ few things right. The stuff they do right though, they do it very well.
Not at all. If anything, Microsoft will de-emphasize Sharepoint and it's related services and focus heavily on it's cloud apps. Cloud based office will be used by everyone, including iPad users, even if only because they will be forced to if they want to get work done. There simply are no competitors in this area. My emphasis here is on enterprise management systems and support. Microsoft has a ton on the horizon, just not stuff that every normal consumer will want to use.
Check back 2 years from now when Windows 8 is well into it's lifetime and includes at least 1 service pack. There's no argument that W8 is a drastic change from what is standard. I suspect it will be similar to Windows XP though in which it was impossible to hate it anymore upon release, and then beloved when users get used to it. Microsoft does very /very/ few things right. The stuff they do right though, they do it very well.
Microsoft Office cloud will save them? Not sure on that. W8 drastic change? Not sure on that too. Microsoft is toast. It's just that when a behemoth is breathing its last few breaths it seems like it is still alive.
You make a good point. If Apple's rise had been 5 years earlier MS wouldn't have had all the bru-ha-ha with the EU about browsers, for example.
That brouhaha would have happened anyway, since Apple didn't actually rise in marketshare appreciably in those five years. Gates was saying in '99 "we have competition out there", but that was a blatant lie.
That brouhaha would have happened anyway, since Apple didn't actually rise in marketshare appreciably in those five years. Gates was saying in '99 "we have competition out there", but that was a blatant lie.
thanks. Tbh I didn't realize that case started in 1999, regardless without Microsoft (or someone else) that kind of scrutiny would apply to apple and safari.
thanks. Tbh I didn't realize that case started in 1999, regardless without Microsoft (or someone else) that kind of scrutiny would apply to apple and safari.
Actually, I think the EU case was first proposed in '94 but brought up in 2004… Seems I'm reading about the US case, and in looking up the EU case, the dates matched up. Whoops.
I have a Time Magazine interview with Bill Gates from '99 sitting here on my desk (that I've torn out and was going to scan); that's the only reason I knew that.
Incidentally, the interview was conducted by Walter Issacson…
Actually, I think the EU case was first proposed in '94 but brought up in 2004… Seems I'm reading about the US case, and in looking up the EU case, the dates matched up. Whoops.
I have a Time Magazine interview with Bill Gates from '99 sitting here on my desk (that I've torn out and was going to scan); that's the only reason I knew that.
Incidentally, the interview was conducted by Walter Issacson…
I'm chucking out any old magazines I have, but I'm flipping through them for the stories I kept them for in the first place. I'm tearing out those pages, throwing away the magazine, scanning the pages, and then throwing the pages away.
I found a review of the first iPod and and the G4 Cube so far. How blind they both were.
That brouhaha would have happened anyway, since Apple didn't actually rise in marketshare appreciably in those five years. Gates was saying in '99 "we have competition out there", but that was a blatant lie.
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Originally Posted by Hellacool
You may want to pull your head out of the sand and do a little research. I know you hate anything not Apple but Google is your friend. News flash, you do not walk away with a cross licensing if what you say is true.
you do if that's what the parties agree to. Microsoft needed that code and was willing to pay for it after the slap down. The investment etc was the form of payment Apple agreed to take as was their legal power.
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Originally Posted by Hellacool
When you have someone "over a barrel" you do not offer joint licensing. Keep dreaming, you make way to many assumptions in your post. Considering you are not Bill Gates, kind of hard to speak on his behalf.
Again, maybe YOU don't. But you are not and have never run Apple. They do what they want or think is best. Regardless of what YOU think they should.
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Originally Posted by tyler82
I do not want Microsoft to go away. Humiliated and made into Apple's bitch, of course. But MS and Apple are yin and yang. Their competition is what gave us iMac, iPod, iPhone, OS X. An Apple monopoly would be boring and futile.
Apple likely doesn't want them to either. At least not anytime soon. Because without Microsoft who would be the competitor to keep Apple from taking over as the monopoly in the market and thus under suspicion for everything they do as anti-trust.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
I guess that you subscribe to the Job's view that charity is a waste of time.
I for one am glad that Apple has ditched this bah-humbugesque philosophy, deciding that making donations is the morally right thing to do.
http://venturebeat.com/2012/02/02/apple-charity-efforts/
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Originally Posted by charlituna
Apple likely doesn't want them to either. At least not anytime soon. Because without Microsoft who would be the competitor to keep Apple from taking over as the monopoly in the market and thus under suspicion for everything they do as anti-trust.
You make a good point. If Apple's rise had been 5 years earlier MS wouldn't have had all the bru-ha-ha with the EU about browsers, for example.
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Originally Posted by Just_Me
Microsoft invested in apple and declared future support to its mac office suite to instill confidence not only to investors but users as well. Did this save apple? Most will argue yes. Others don't
Well, considering MSFT as we know it would not exist today without Apple, we can consider it evening the score. If the software patent laws weren't so crude when the Mac was introduced, MSFT would be a much different company today, if they had ever become relevant to begin with.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
Steve Jobs went on to continue making great products that are a joy to use.
The result of Billy's decision to no longer "obsess about the size of his bank balance": Microsoft was left to stagnate under Ballmer, and is today the laughingstock of the industry.
Thanks, Bill.
Philanthropy doesn't give us iPads, iPhones, iOS, and Retina Macs.
Yeah, I'm really friggin sure that MS fans/Windows sufferers were more than understanding that they had to wait over three years for a subpar mobile platform, among other things which MS half-assed since Gates' absence, and which MS fans and hapless users who had no choice had to stomach. Not to mention the Rise of Apple, which has pushed many a Windows user/fan over to the Apple ecosystem.
"Hey, no problem. That's ok. At least Bill's doing charity work." LOL
(But hey, these things would have probably happened under Gates anyway. He wasn't exactly what you'd call visionary.)
What "Philanthropy" did for Microsoft:
http://macdailynews.com/2012/03/14/apple-now-worth-more-than-double-microsofts-market-value/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2012/05/12/oops-5-ceos-that-should-have-already-been-fired-cisco-ge-walmart-sears-microsoft/3/
And all of a sudden, Microsoft reaches the point where they feel they have to make *this* sad statement:
http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/151197/steve-ballmer-says-microsoft-plans-to-compete-with-apple-in-every-market
....compete-with-apple-in-every-market..... except those where one has to "think different".
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Originally Posted by lkrupp
Oh bullshit! The Mac was still entrenched in the graphic arts, desktop publishing, and advertising markets.
So was the Commodore Amiga in 1990.
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Originally Posted by sr2012
Amazon's future is probably going to be backed by their cloud stuff. Their diversification will save them, or in any case provide a decent platform to do whatever else they want to do.
As for Microsoft though, there's nothing on the horizon. Sharepoint, maybe. That's it. Game over. I agree with anantk... Windows 8 will be the final confirmation of the decrepitude into which Microsoft has now sunk, with no way out.
Not at all. If anything, Microsoft will de-emphasize Sharepoint and it's related services and focus heavily on it's cloud apps. Cloud based office will be used by everyone, including iPad users, even if only because they will be forced to if they want to get work done. There simply are no competitors in this area. My emphasis here is on enterprise management systems and support. Microsoft has a ton on the horizon, just not stuff that every normal consumer will want to use.
Check back 2 years from now when Windows 8 is well into it's lifetime and includes at least 1 service pack. There's no argument that W8 is a drastic change from what is standard. I suspect it will be similar to Windows XP though in which it was impossible to hate it anymore upon release, and then beloved when users get used to it. Microsoft does very /very/ few things right. The stuff they do right though, they do it very well.
Microsoft Office cloud will save them? Not sure on that. W8 drastic change? Not sure on that too. Microsoft is toast. It's just that when a behemoth is breathing its last few breaths it seems like it is still alive.
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Originally Posted by hungover
You make a good point. If Apple's rise had been 5 years earlier MS wouldn't have had all the bru-ha-ha with the EU about browsers, for example.
That brouhaha would have happened anyway, since Apple didn't actually rise in marketshare appreciably in those five years. Gates was saying in '99 "we have competition out there", but that was a blatant lie.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
That brouhaha would have happened anyway, since Apple didn't actually rise in marketshare appreciably in those five years. Gates was saying in '99 "we have competition out there", but that was a blatant lie.
thanks. Tbh I didn't realize that case started in 1999, regardless without Microsoft (or someone else) that kind of scrutiny would apply to apple and safari.
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Originally Posted by hungover
thanks. Tbh I didn't realize that case started in 1999, regardless without Microsoft (or someone else) that kind of scrutiny would apply to apple and safari.
Actually, I think the EU case was first proposed in '94 but brought up in 2004… Seems I'm reading about the US case, and in looking up the EU case, the dates matched up. Whoops.
I have a Time Magazine interview with Bill Gates from '99 sitting here on my desk (that I've torn out and was going to scan); that's the only reason I knew that.
Incidentally, the interview was conducted by Walter Issacson…
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Actually, I think the EU case was first proposed in '94 but brought up in 2004… Seems I'm reading about the US case, and in looking up the EU case, the dates matched up. Whoops.
I have a Time Magazine interview with Bill Gates from '99 sitting here on my desk (that I've torn out and was going to scan); that's the only reason I knew that.
Incidentally, the interview was conducted by Walter Issacson…
Ok, now you are starting to scare me
Interesting hobby you have...
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Originally Posted by hungover
Ok, now you are starting to scare me
Interesting hobby you have...
I'm chucking out any old magazines I have, but I'm flipping through them for the stories I kept them for in the first place. I'm tearing out those pages, throwing away the magazine, scanning the pages, and then throwing the pages away.
I found a review of the first iPod and and the G4 Cube so far. How blind they both were.
Gates peaked circa WinXP2, Xbox360.