"I went to Missouri with a model maker laser scanner and digitized the surface of [the] model, photographed them, measured them so that we could fabricated it to be exactly the same.."
I just got back from my exchange daughter's international student back-to-school night. Most of the international students in the school are Korean because they cannot get into Korean universities due to very high academic standards. The main topic of the night was plagiarism, lying, cheating and copying because these are not immoral in their culture. The belief is that "the ends justify the means". In other words, you do what you need to in order to get ahead. We parents had to sit and listen to this over and over (my daughter is South African). If someone calls them out on it, it's a HUGE deal because they dishonor that person.
This is what we are seeing in this trial. There is a HUGE cultural difference between Korea and America, and this is evident in the culture of both companies. What is on trial right now is if what is culturally acceptable in Korea is acceptable in America. The school my daughter attends forbids it and issues demerits for lying and cheating. Students have been sent home for plagiarizing. I think Samsung can learn a lot from that model.
My daughter stated afterwards "how could they even think that this is acceptable behavior?"... I think the jury will make the same statement.
I just got back from my exchange daughter's international student back-to-school night. Most of the international students in the school are Korean because they cannot get into Korean universities due to very high academic standards. The main topic of the night was plagiarism, lying, cheating and copying because these are not immoral in their culture. The belief is that "the ends justify the means". In other words, you do what you need to in order to get ahead. We parents had to sit and listen to this over and over (my daughter is South African). If someone calls them out on it, it's a HUGE deal because they dishonor that person.
This is what we are seeing in this trial. There is a HUGE cultural difference between Korea and America, and this is evident in the culture of both companies. What is on trial right now is if what is culturally acceptable in Korea is acceptable in America. The school my daughter attends forbids it and issues demerits for lying and cheating. Students have been sent home for plagiarizing. I think Samsung can learn a lot from that model.
My daughter stated afterwards "how could they even think that this is acceptable behavior?"... I think the jury will make the same statement.
But that's the thing, if you are wanting to do business in another country you MUST adhere to their rules even if they are contrary to your rules or culture.
I as a New Zealander can't do as I wish by New Zealand law if I live in America because I am not on New Zealand soil unless I'm at the NZ Embassy. The fact that copying might be reasonable in Korea doesn't mean they can copy in America.
Interesting experience you gave. It really does show how all of this could simply be a cultural matter which isn't really an excuse.
The designer used the custom built replica to point out how the concept does not reflect the tablet described in Apple's design patent, pointing out the obvious cutouts on the side of the device used to house memory cards and a stylus. Also contended was the edge-to-edge glass panel seen on the iPad, a feature not present with the Fidler tablet.
Really?
Are these things different enough to toss it out as prior art?
apple is so retarded.....they claim to have the rectangular shape with curved edges...yet moan about cutouts for a memory card....what sore losers
This meme gets repeated so often. If you don't even have an original thought and just parrot some statement by a Samsung executive, then save us from reading your drivel.
As this article nicely highlights, the features in the design patent are not just the shape and corners. Things like the edge-to-edge glass and no edge cutouts are key components. Obvious? So obvious no one else did it before Apple. Natural progression? So natural after Apple did it.
Add in the packaging design, the cable design, and the icon design and it's just plain silly to claim Samsung didn't copy.
This meme gets repeated so often. If you don't even have an original thought and just parrot some statement by a Samsung executive, then save us from reading your drivel.
As this article nicely highlights, the features in the design patent are not just the shape and corners. Things like the edge-to-edge glass and no edge cutouts are key components. Obvious? So obvious no one else did it before Apple. Natural progression? So natural after Apple did it.
Add in the packaging design, the cable design, and the icon design and it's just plain silly to claim Samsung didn't copy.
I tend to agree with that, but on the other hand you read "samscum" so much on this forum that parrots and drivel seem to be pretty much equally shared among pro/con samsung ...
"This is a duplicate that I had created of Mr. Fidler's original tablet," Bressler said of the reproduction. "I went to Missouri with a model maker laser scanner and digitized the surface of [the] model, photographed them, measured them so that we could fabricated it to be exactly the same...right down to the scratches and the paint."
I tend to agree with that, but on the other hand you read "samscum" so much on this forum that parrots and drivel seem to be pretty much equally shared among pro/con samsung ...
Why would "pro-Samsung" people give a damn what is written on an Apple-oriented website? It's not like they are going to change anyone's minds. Alot of wasted time/energy/money posting here.
apple is so retarded.....they claim to have the rectangular shape with curved edges...yet moan about cutouts for a memory card....what sore losers
Yeah imagine that and the bezel being of equal width, top and bottom, designed so when it's shown upside down, say across a table, the bezel looks the same, part of Apple's design because they thought about that.
The designers of the Fidler obviously never thought of that, Apple did and patented it as part of the design.
I tend to agree with that, but on the other hand you read "samscum" so much on this forum that parrots and drivel seem to be pretty much equally shared among pro/con samsung ...
Again you seem to be missing that the UK has different laws and definitions. So he may be 100% correct under UK law
If I remember correctly, the judge did not decide against the proposition that the Samsung Galaxy Tab was copy of the Apple iPad; he decided it was a bad copy. However, the major point of contention appeared to be that a normal user might be confused by the excess of similarities between the two products: the judge here decided that a normally intelligent person, with a modicum of artistic sensibility, would quickly determine that the Galaxy Tab was gravely inadequate as an iPad substitute, and therefore not be so mistaken.
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apple is so retarded.....they claim to have the rectangular shape with curved edges...yet moan about cutouts for a memory card....what sore losers
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Originally Posted by jigjag69
*whine* *kick/scream* *crying*
Buzz off...
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"I went to Missouri with a model maker laser scanner and digitized the surface of [the] model, photographed them, measured them so that we could fabricated it to be exactly the same.."
Originally Posted by jakeb
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And these degenerates actually want a SMALLER iPad! Unforgivable.
I just got back from my exchange daughter's international student back-to-school night. Most of the international students in the school are Korean because they cannot get into Korean universities due to very high academic standards. The main topic of the night was plagiarism, lying, cheating and copying because these are not immoral in their culture. The belief is that "the ends justify the means". In other words, you do what you need to in order to get ahead. We parents had to sit and listen to this over and over (my daughter is South African). If someone calls them out on it, it's a HUGE deal because they dishonor that person.
This is what we are seeing in this trial. There is a HUGE cultural difference between Korea and America, and this is evident in the culture of both companies. What is on trial right now is if what is culturally acceptable in Korea is acceptable in America. The school my daughter attends forbids it and issues demerits for lying and cheating. Students have been sent home for plagiarizing. I think Samsung can learn a lot from that model.
My daughter stated afterwards "how could they even think that this is acceptable behavior?"... I think the jury will make the same statement.
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Originally Posted by jkichline
I just got back from my exchange daughter's international student back-to-school night. Most of the international students in the school are Korean because they cannot get into Korean universities due to very high academic standards. The main topic of the night was plagiarism, lying, cheating and copying because these are not immoral in their culture. The belief is that "the ends justify the means". In other words, you do what you need to in order to get ahead. We parents had to sit and listen to this over and over (my daughter is South African). If someone calls them out on it, it's a HUGE deal because they dishonor that person.
This is what we are seeing in this trial. There is a HUGE cultural difference between Korea and America, and this is evident in the culture of both companies. What is on trial right now is if what is culturally acceptable in Korea is acceptable in America. The school my daughter attends forbids it and issues demerits for lying and cheating. Students have been sent home for plagiarizing. I think Samsung can learn a lot from that model.
My daughter stated afterwards "how could they even think that this is acceptable behavior?"... I think the jury will make the same statement.
But that's the thing, if you are wanting to do business in another country you MUST adhere to their rules even if they are contrary to your rules or culture.
I as a New Zealander can't do as I wish by New Zealand law if I live in America because I am not on New Zealand soil unless I'm at the NZ Embassy. The fact that copying might be reasonable in Korea doesn't mean they can copy in America.
Interesting experience you gave. It really does show how all of this could simply be a cultural matter which isn't really an excuse.
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Originally Posted by jkichline
blah blah blah
There is a HUGE cultural difference between Korea and America
blah blah blah
Since when does "America" have culture?
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Originally Posted by sflocal
Buzz off...
aw poor baby...did my post hurt your feelings?
^ Nah, you just showed yourself to be an idiot that people will simply put on their block list.
You can continue to post all the garbage you want because most people won't see it anyway. How does it feel to be irrelevant?
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
The designer used the custom built replica to point out how the concept does not reflect the tablet described in Apple's design patent, pointing out the obvious cutouts on the side of the device used to house memory cards and a stylus. Also contended was the edge-to-edge glass panel seen on the iPad, a feature not present with the Fidler tablet.
Really?
Are these things different enough to toss it out as prior art?
Edge-to-edge glass vs. an inch from the edge?
How about 1/2 inch? 1/4"?
It wasn't a post. Like he said.
Stop embarrassing your kind.
As this article nicely highlights, the features in the design patent are not just the shape and corners. Things like the edge-to-edge glass and no edge cutouts are key components. Obvious? So obvious no one else did it before Apple. Natural progression? So natural after Apple did it.
Add in the packaging design, the cable design, and the icon design and it's just plain silly to claim Samsung didn't copy.
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Originally Posted by RichL
Agreed. Anyone who thinks that Colin Birss, QC is an idiot doesn't know the English legal system at all well.
Anyone who thinks his opinion matters when assessing professionnals like this judge might have ego issues. Just saying.
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Originally Posted by focher
This meme gets repeated so often. If you don't even have an original thought and just parrot some statement by a Samsung executive, then save us from reading your drivel.
As this article nicely highlights, the features in the design patent are not just the shape and corners. Things like the edge-to-edge glass and no edge cutouts are key components. Obvious? So obvious no one else did it before Apple. Natural progression? So natural after Apple did it.
Add in the packaging design, the cable design, and the icon design and it's just plain silly to claim Samsung didn't copy.
I tend to agree with that, but on the other hand you read "samscum" so much on this forum that parrots and drivel seem to be pretty much equally shared among pro/con samsung ...
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"This is a duplicate that I had created of Mr. Fidler's original tablet," Bressler said of the reproduction. "I went to Missouri with a model maker laser scanner and digitized the surface of [the] model, photographed them, measured them so that we could fabricated it to be exactly the same...right down to the scratches and the paint."
Wasn't that what Samsung did with iPad?
OK, I'm out
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Originally Posted by lightknight
I tend to agree with that, but on the other hand you read "samscum" so much on this forum that parrots and drivel seem to be pretty much equally shared among pro/con samsung ...
Why would "pro-Samsung" people give a damn what is written on an Apple-oriented website? It's not like they are going to change anyone's minds. Alot of wasted time/energy/money posting here.
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Originally Posted by jigjag69
apple is so retarded.....they claim to have the rectangular shape with curved edges...yet moan about cutouts for a memory card....what sore losers
Yeah imagine that and the bezel being of equal width, top and bottom, designed so when it's shown upside down, say across a table, the bezel looks the same, part of Apple's design because they thought about that.
The designers of the Fidler obviously never thought of that, Apple did and patented it as part of the design.
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Originally Posted by lightknight
I tend to agree with that, but on the other hand you read "samscum" so much on this forum that parrots and drivel seem to be pretty much equally shared among pro/con samsung ...
Yeah, because Samsung hasn't either settled, or been convicted of price fixing three separate times already. Or obstructing investigations.
I don't know why anyone stands up for these guys - they have no problem breaking laws to screw over other competitors and end users alike.
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Originally Posted by MachineShedFred
Yeah, because Samsung hasn't either settled, or been convicted of price fixing three separate times already. Or obstructing investigations.
I don't know why anyone stands up for these guys - they have no problem breaking laws to screw over other competitors and end users alike.
But Samsung are "the little guys", according to the poor deluded anti-Apple brigade.
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Originally Posted by charlituna
Again you seem to be missing that the UK has different laws and definitions. So he may be 100% correct under UK law
If I remember correctly, the judge did not decide against the proposition that the Samsung Galaxy Tab was copy of the Apple iPad; he decided it was a bad copy. However, the major point of contention appeared to be that a normal user might be confused by the excess of similarities between the two products: the judge here decided that a normally intelligent person, with a modicum of artistic sensibility, would quickly determine that the Galaxy Tab was gravely inadequate as an iPad substitute, and therefore not be so mistaken.
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