I love how the headline etc try to make it seem like Apple has been barring the team from appearing in public. As if Appe fears others companies will now poach them or start some black op to poison them into stupidity or trail them around local bars. When the answer to why might simply be that this was the first time the team was been nominated for an award for being a team (versus a product they created). Thus the first time there was ample cause to suspend all work to send everyone and even perhaps the first time the whole team has been invited/requested to attend rather than a representative of the team
Can you please give us color phones like the iPod Touch?
Please no.
Colours are usually a sign that they are out of any actual new ideas for the product. If they do colours at all, I'd rather have bright coloured plastic than that crappy "salmon pink" and "moss green" aluminium.
I love how the headline etc try to make it seem like Apple has been barring the team from appearing in public. As if Appe fears others companies will now poach them or start some black op to poison them into stupidity or trail them around local bars. When the answer to why might simply be that this was the first time the team was been nominated for an award for being a team (versus a product they created). Thus the first time there was ample cause to suspend all work to send everyone and even perhaps the first time the whole team has been invited/requested to attend rather than a representative of the team
It's easy to underestimate the cost of that photo.
Those employees are high enough level that they probably flew at least business class - $5 K per employee. Add in at least $2 K for housing costs. Then, to travel from SF to London and receive an award - and then back again probably cost them the better part of a week for each employee. At an average cost of $200 K based on $150 K plus benefits (again, we're talking about relatively high level employees, so that number is almost certainly too low), that's $4 K per employee. So you're looking at a minimum of $11 K per employee -or a quarter million dollars for that photo opportunity (probably at least twice that).
But that's not the real cost. Imagine everyone being out of the lab at the same time - causing work to come to a standstill. This exercise cost them 2% (1 week) of the entire annual output of these 18 key people (partly ameliorated by the opportunity for the employees to brainstorm with no time pressures or interruptions). Then, of course, there's the risk of accidents - most companies do not allow that many key employees to be in one place at the same time, particularly in today's terrorism climate.
Obviously, the quarter or half million dollars isn't significant. But the willingness to send the entire team to London is a huge expense and inconvenience and causes loss of productivity so it was clearly perceived as very important.
It's easy to underestimate the cost of that photo.
Those employees are high enough level that they probably flew at least business class - $5 K per employee. Add in at least $2 K for housing costs. Then, to travel from SF to London and receive an award - and then back again probably cost them the better part of a week for each employee. At an average cost of $200 K based on $150 K plus benefits (again, we're talking about relatively high level employees, so that number is almost certainly too low), that's $4 K per employee. So you're looking at a minimum of $11 K per employee -or a quarter million dollars for that photo opportunity (probably at least twice that).
But that's not the real cost. Imagine everyone being out of the lab at the same time - causing work to come to a standstill. This exercise cost them 2% (1 week) of the entire annual output of these 18 key people (partly ameliorated by the opportunity for the employees to brainstorm with no time pressures or interruptions). Then, of course, there's the risk of accidents - most companies do not allow that many key employees to be in one place at the same time, particularly in today's terrorism climate.
Obviously, the quarter or half million dollars isn't significant. But the willingness to send the entire team to London is a huge expense and inconvenience and causes loss of productivity so it was clearly perceived as very important.
One of the first things i thought of too was letting the entire design team travel together. They might of taken separate flights.
However, does the "cost" really matter? This team has done incredible work over the years. And deserve a few days off. For a creative team, it's not always about being productive. You would be surprised how much an excursion like this does for moral. These are creative people, they need to get out. A trip like this does wonders for the soul, body and mind. And if they get to pick up an award in the process... good for them.
They all take vacations throughout the year... are they any less productive then? Probably not. Sure it's scattered among all the team members through out the year. So there is no real effect. And a trip like this is planned. Most of the stuff that's being released now, they worked on already. They have moved on to other projects. For a company like Apple and a design team like this their lead time on projects are 2-3 years. So the stuff they are working on "now" is things that will be released in 2014-2015. I think there is enough buffer in those time lines to let the entire team take off a few days.
It's easy to underestimate the cost of that photo.
Those employees are high enough level that they probably flew at least business class - $5 K per employee. Add in at least $2 K for housing costs. Then, to travel from SF to London and receive an award - and then back again probably cost them the better part of a week for each employee. At an average cost of $200 K based on $150 K plus benefits (again, we're talking about relatively high level employees, so that number is almost certainly too low), that's $4 K per employee. So you're looking at a minimum of $11 K per employee -or a quarter million dollars for that photo opportunity (probably at least twice that).
But that's not the real cost. Imagine everyone being out of the lab at the same time - causing work to come to a standstill. This exercise cost them 2% (1 week) of the entire annual output of these 18 key people (partly ameliorated by the opportunity for the employees to brainstorm with no time pressures or interruptions). Then, of course, there's the risk of accidents - most companies do not allow that many key employees to be in one place at the same time, particularly in today's terrorism climate.
Obviously, the quarter or half million dollars isn't significant. But the willingness to send the entire team to London is a huge expense and inconvenience and causes loss of productivity so it was clearly perceived as very important.
Since Apple employees do not own suits you have to factor in the wardrobe and also you forgot to pay the photographer, grip , lighting, make up event coordinator, the liquor, catering, insurance, public relations manager. etc, etc. It's a long list of people who need to be paid.
Obviously, the quarter or half million dollars isn't significant. But the willingness to send the entire team to London is a huge expense and inconvenience and causes loss of productivity so it was clearly perceived as very important.
Definitely someone thought it was worthwhile. Maybe Ive, who now has more power within the corporate structure, decided it was important for his team to share in some of the glory for once. Or even Tim Cook. Or the P.R. department. Or maybe it's just that Steve is gone and this was the kind of thing he didn't allow for any number of reasons. Somebody should ask Ive.
It's easy to underestimate the cost of that photo.
Those employees are high enough level that they probably flew at least business class - $5 K per employee. Add in at least $2 K for housing costs. Then, to travel from SF to London and receive an award - and then back again probably cost them the better part of a week for each employee. At an average cost of $200 K based on $150 K plus benefits (again, we're talking about relatively high level employees, so that number is almost certainly too low), that's $4 K per employee. So you're looking at a minimum of $11 K per employee -or a quarter million dollars for that photo opportunity (probably at least twice that).
But that's not the real cost. Imagine everyone being out of the lab at the same time - causing work to come to a standstill. This exercise cost them 2% (1 week) of the entire annual output of these 18 key people (partly ameliorated by the opportunity for the employees to brainstorm with no time pressures or interruptions). Then, of course, there's the risk of accidents - most companies do not allow that many key employees to be in one place at the same time, particularly in today's terrorism climate.
Obviously, the quarter or half million dollars isn't significant. But the willingness to send the entire team to London is a huge expense and inconvenience and causes loss of productivity so it was clearly perceived as very important.
Ah but to some it's just cringe worthy PR on the part of DandAD. Dieter Rams really should have been up on stage. I suppose when Ive got his standing ovation from the crowd they were really cheering Rams. :-)
Definitely someone thought it was worthwhile. Maybe Ive, who now has more power within the corporate structure, decided it was important for his team to share in some of the glory for once. Or even Tim Cook. Or the P.R. department. Or maybe it's just that Steve is gone and this was the kind of thing he didn't allow for any number of reasons. Somebody should ask Ive.
Quite honestly I think the reason Ive is smiling in that photo is because he has the rest of his team with him. I get the sense he feels uncomfortable collecting these awards on his own because it is a team effort.
It's easy to underestimate the cost of that photo.
Those employees are high enough level that they probably flew at least business class - $5 K per employee. Add in at least $2 K for housing costs. Then, to travel from SF to London and receive an award - and then back again probably cost them the better part of a week for each employee. At an average cost of $200 K based on $150 K plus benefits (again, we're talking about relatively high level employees, so that number is almost certainly too low), that's $4 K per employee. So you're looking at a minimum of $11 K per employee -or a quarter million dollars for that photo opportunity (probably at least twice that).
But that's not the real cost. Imagine everyone being out of the lab at the same time - causing work to come to a standstill. This exercise cost them 2% (1 week) of the entire annual output of these 18 key people (partly ameliorated by the opportunity for the employees to brainstorm with no time pressures or interruptions). Then, of course, there's the risk of accidents - most companies do not allow that many key employees to be in one place at the same time, particularly in today's terrorism climate.
Obviously, the quarter or half million dollars isn't significant. But the willingness to send the entire team to London is a huge expense and inconvenience and causes loss of productivity so it was clearly perceived as very important.
Good points, but it assumes that they are allowed to work only within the confines of the office.
Awaiting the inevitable 'but its just rectanglez' or 'lol @ apple' or 'dieter rams should be receiving this award' troll posts from the usual suspectz. Keep throwing sour grapes at the gold medalists, and they'll keep winning awards. Fortunately, the world outside of the conceited Apple-hater bubble appreciates design and recognizes the designers.
Definitely someone thought it was worthwhile. Maybe Ive, who now has more power within the corporate structure, decided it was important for his team to share in some of the glory for once. Or even Tim Cook. Or the P.R. department. Or maybe it's just that Steve is gone and this was the kind of thing he didn't allow for any number of reasons. Somebody should ask Ive.
That was my point. Sorry it wasn't clear.
This photo opportunity was not cheap - by any measure. Obviously, someone thought it was worth spending a lot of time and money to make it happen.
It's easy to underestimate the cost of that photo.
Those employees are high enough level that they probably flew at least business class - $5 K per employee. Add in at least $2 K for housing costs. Then, to travel from SF to London and receive an award - and then back again probably cost them the better part of a week for each employee. At an average cost of $200 K based on $150 K plus benefits (again, we're talking about relatively high level employees, so that number is almost certainly too low), that's $4 K per employee. So you're looking at a minimum of $11 K per employee -or a quarter million dollars for that photo opportunity (probably at least twice that).
But that's not the real cost. Imagine everyone being out of the lab at the same time - causing work to come to a standstill. This exercise cost them 2% (1 week) of the entire annual output of these 18 key people (partly ameliorated by the opportunity for the employees to brainstorm with no time pressures or interruptions). Then, of course, there's the risk of accidents - most companies do not allow that many key employees to be in one place at the same time, particularly in today's terrorism climate.
Obviously, the quarter or half million dollars isn't significant. But the willingness to send the entire team to London is a huge expense and inconvenience and causes loss of productivity so it was clearly perceived as very important.
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Design is complete anathema to nerds and geeks. It's like trying to explain the Mona Lisa to a chimp. The chimp would just throw his feces at it.
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Originally Posted by aliceteo
Can you please give us color phones like the iPod Touch?
Please no.
Colours are usually a sign that they are out of any actual new ideas for the product. If they do colours at all, I'd rather have bright coloured plastic than that crappy "salmon pink" and "moss green" aluminium.
It's easy to underestimate the cost of that photo.
Those employees are high enough level that they probably flew at least business class - $5 K per employee. Add in at least $2 K for housing costs. Then, to travel from SF to London and receive an award - and then back again probably cost them the better part of a week for each employee. At an average cost of $200 K based on $150 K plus benefits (again, we're talking about relatively high level employees, so that number is almost certainly too low), that's $4 K per employee. So you're looking at a minimum of $11 K per employee -or a quarter million dollars for that photo opportunity (probably at least twice that).
But that's not the real cost. Imagine everyone being out of the lab at the same time - causing work to come to a standstill. This exercise cost them 2% (1 week) of the entire annual output of these 18 key people (partly ameliorated by the opportunity for the employees to brainstorm with no time pressures or interruptions). Then, of course, there's the risk of accidents - most companies do not allow that many key employees to be in one place at the same time, particularly in today's terrorism climate.
Obviously, the quarter or half million dollars isn't significant. But the willingness to send the entire team to London is a huge expense and inconvenience and causes loss of productivity so it was clearly perceived as very important.
Funny, that's just what the trolls do here.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
It's easy to underestimate the cost of that photo.
Those employees are high enough level that they probably flew at least business class - $5 K per employee. Add in at least $2 K for housing costs. Then, to travel from SF to London and receive an award - and then back again probably cost them the better part of a week for each employee. At an average cost of $200 K based on $150 K plus benefits (again, we're talking about relatively high level employees, so that number is almost certainly too low), that's $4 K per employee. So you're looking at a minimum of $11 K per employee -or a quarter million dollars for that photo opportunity (probably at least twice that).
But that's not the real cost. Imagine everyone being out of the lab at the same time - causing work to come to a standstill. This exercise cost them 2% (1 week) of the entire annual output of these 18 key people (partly ameliorated by the opportunity for the employees to brainstorm with no time pressures or interruptions). Then, of course, there's the risk of accidents - most companies do not allow that many key employees to be in one place at the same time, particularly in today's terrorism climate.
Obviously, the quarter or half million dollars isn't significant. But the willingness to send the entire team to London is a huge expense and inconvenience and causes loss of productivity so it was clearly perceived as very important.
One of the first things i thought of too was letting the entire design team travel together. They might of taken separate flights.
However, does the "cost" really matter? This team has done incredible work over the years. And deserve a few days off. For a creative team, it's not always about being productive. You would be surprised how much an excursion like this does for moral. These are creative people, they need to get out. A trip like this does wonders for the soul, body and mind. And if they get to pick up an award in the process... good for them.
They all take vacations throughout the year... are they any less productive then? Probably not. Sure it's scattered among all the team members through out the year. So there is no real effect. And a trip like this is planned. Most of the stuff that's being released now, they worked on already. They have moved on to other projects. For a company like Apple and a design team like this their lead time on projects are 2-3 years. So the stuff they are working on "now" is things that will be released in 2014-2015. I think there is enough buffer in those time lines to let the entire team take off a few days.
Congrats to all of them.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
It's easy to underestimate the cost of that photo.
Those employees are high enough level that they probably flew at least business class - $5 K per employee. Add in at least $2 K for housing costs. Then, to travel from SF to London and receive an award - and then back again probably cost them the better part of a week for each employee. At an average cost of $200 K based on $150 K plus benefits (again, we're talking about relatively high level employees, so that number is almost certainly too low), that's $4 K per employee. So you're looking at a minimum of $11 K per employee -or a quarter million dollars for that photo opportunity (probably at least twice that).
But that's not the real cost. Imagine everyone being out of the lab at the same time - causing work to come to a standstill. This exercise cost them 2% (1 week) of the entire annual output of these 18 key people (partly ameliorated by the opportunity for the employees to brainstorm with no time pressures or interruptions). Then, of course, there's the risk of accidents - most companies do not allow that many key employees to be in one place at the same time, particularly in today's terrorism climate.
Obviously, the quarter or half million dollars isn't significant. But the willingness to send the entire team to London is a huge expense and inconvenience and causes loss of productivity so it was clearly perceived as very important.
Since Apple employees do not own suits you have to factor in the wardrobe and also you forgot to pay the photographer, grip , lighting, make up event coordinator, the liquor, catering, insurance, public relations manager. etc, etc. It's a long list of people who need to be paid.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Obviously, the quarter or half million dollars isn't significant. But the willingness to send the entire team to London is a huge expense and inconvenience and causes loss of productivity so it was clearly perceived as very important.
Definitely someone thought it was worthwhile. Maybe Ive, who now has more power within the corporate structure, decided it was important for his team to share in some of the glory for once. Or even Tim Cook. Or the P.R. department. Or maybe it's just that Steve is gone and this was the kind of thing he didn't allow for any number of reasons. Somebody should ask Ive.
Ah but to some it's just cringe worthy PR on the part of DandAD. Dieter Rams really should have been up on stage. I suppose when Ive got his standing ovation from the crowd they were really cheering Rams. :-)
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Originally Posted by jragosta
It's easy to underestimate the cost of that photo.
Those employees are high enough level that they probably flew at least business class - $5 K per employee. Add in at least $2 K for housing costs. Then, to travel from SF to London and receive an award - and then back again probably cost them the better part of a week for each employee. At an average cost of $200 K based on $150 K plus benefits (again, we're talking about relatively high level employees, so that number is almost certainly too low), that's $4 K per employee. So you're looking at a minimum of $11 K per employee -or a quarter million dollars for that photo opportunity (probably at least twice that).
But that's not the real cost. Imagine everyone being out of the lab at the same time - causing work to come to a standstill. This exercise cost them 2% (1 week) of the entire annual output of these 18 key people (partly ameliorated by the opportunity for the employees to brainstorm with no time pressures or interruptions). Then, of course, there's the risk of accidents - most companies do not allow that many key employees to be in one place at the same time, particularly in today's terrorism climate.
Obviously, the quarter or half million dollars isn't significant. But the willingness to send the entire team to London is a huge expense and inconvenience and causes loss of productivity so it was clearly perceived as very important.
Good points, but it assumes that they are allowed to work only within the confines of the office.
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Originally Posted by jungmark
yes there are two women and an asian.
Hmm.... I think I see three women and two Asians.
Awaiting the inevitable 'but its just rectanglez' or 'lol @ apple' or 'dieter rams should be receiving this award' troll posts from the usual suspectz. Keep throwing sour grapes at the gold medalists, and they'll keep winning awards. Fortunately, the world outside of the conceited Apple-hater bubble appreciates design and recognizes the designers.
That was my point. Sorry it wasn't clear.
This photo opportunity was not cheap - by any measure. Obviously, someone thought it was worth spending a lot of time and money to make it happen.
Originally Posted by kerryb
I would have given it to NASA.
You would have given an award for design and advertising… to NASA… for doing no design nor advertising.
Originally Posted by rufwork
Hrm, that picture shows another place Apple could use more color and variety.
Originally Posted by jungmark
Look at the picture, they are anti-minority and anti-women. Fandroid headline: Apple's all white design team wins award. /s
edit: yes there are two women and an asian. but they are token members! /s
Holy frick, right above your post, even! The guy actually believes that.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
It's easy to underestimate the cost of that photo.
Those employees are high enough level that they probably flew at least business class - $5 K per employee. Add in at least $2 K for housing costs. Then, to travel from SF to London and receive an award - and then back again probably cost them the better part of a week for each employee. At an average cost of $200 K based on $150 K plus benefits (again, we're talking about relatively high level employees, so that number is almost certainly too low), that's $4 K per employee. So you're looking at a minimum of $11 K per employee -or a quarter million dollars for that photo opportunity (probably at least twice that).
But that's not the real cost. Imagine everyone being out of the lab at the same time - causing work to come to a standstill. This exercise cost them 2% (1 week) of the entire annual output of these 18 key people (partly ameliorated by the opportunity for the employees to brainstorm with no time pressures or interruptions). Then, of course, there's the risk of accidents - most companies do not allow that many key employees to be in one place at the same time, particularly in today's terrorism climate.
Obviously, the quarter or half million dollars isn't significant. But the willingness to send the entire team to London is a huge expense and inconvenience and causes loss of productivity so it was clearly perceived as very important.
B.F.D period
Well done people.
Sad there are few women.
Originally Posted by Ochyming
Well done people.
Sad there are few women.
Then women need to really step up their skills at designing if they want to work on the best team on the planet.