I am kind of surprised initially to see that there are so many issues with the US map. TomTom has been in the navigation business for along time. It is unlikely to give wrong direction if given a right address. Occasionally, road change may happen, and no one should hold these companies to be 100% accurate. Grant that Google spends more money and resources to update its map, and have a more accurate map than anybody on earth. But that only applies to a small percentage of locations. Google search is more likely going to give more refined response than Apple. A lot of times, people are accustomed to typing incomplete address. There are chances that Apple Map may give a wrong location. In those cases, the Apple map is not completely not usable. A user simply have to be more precise in putting the exact address. Point of interests is the same logic. But the Apple Map having a turn-by-turn navigation system is definitely an upgrade to the iOS5 version. If people are more patient, I am sure that Apple map can be smarter to provide you with correct information even with incomplete address.
Perhaps in America, Apple Maps is great but here in Japan, it's a different story. Here in Yokohama, my university is not even on the map! Google Maps not only shows the university but also shows the building names. And so many areas have much, much, much less detail than Google Maps. I went on a trip recently and I was impressed that Google maps had great detail, even in outback areas with small streets even listed. Not so with Apple Maps. The difference IS exponential!
This review makes it all the more unbearable that Tim Cook was so quick on the draw with that spineless apology letter.
This CR review of Maps is more or less even-handed and sums up my own personal experience. Aside from some strange landmark and business location data, really my only complaint is that traffic is not easily discerned, especially when driving. I've had absolutely no problems with directions, otherwise.
Given that Google Maps is the exponentially more mature/polished product, I'll stick with it for now, though I do look forward to Apple 'ironing' out the current issues with their fledgling effort.
Given that Google has had an over 5 year head start on Apple, why not give Apple a little credit for debuting a product that is exponentially better than Google's initial release? It's mighty big of you allowing Apple to iron the kinks out and I'm glad you're willing to give them another try once their fledgling, wet-behind-the-ears software product is out of diapers.
And if they never made this move you would be the first to criticize Apple for the lack of turn-by-turn navigation on the iPhone compared to other devices. :-/
Given that Google has had an over 5 year head start on Apple, why not give Apple a little credit for debuting a product that is exponentially better than Google's initial release? It's mighty big of you allowing Apple to iron the kinks out and I'm glad you're willing to give them another try once their fledgling, wet-behind-the-ears software product is out of diapers.
And if they never made this move you would be the first to criticize Apple for the lack of turn-by-turn navigation on the iPhone compared to other devices. :-/
Apple can never win in your eyes, can they?
Sure... Whatever...
Google initially released Google Maps as a BETA, which is what Apple should have done with their 'less than complete' (as per my week's use of my own iPhone 5 black/64gb), which may have avoided all of this nonsense.
Google initially released Google Maps as a BETA, which is what Apple should have done with their 'less than complete' (as per my week's use of my own iPhone 5 black/64gb), which may have avoided all of this nonsense.
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I didn't think your posts of images and claims of what you "own" could get any more pathetic but now you're telling us you bought the highest capacity iPhone as well? Despite posting the image having zero relevance to the topic posting the capacity just comes across as extra douchee.
You might have some credibility on any of the tech forums you troll if you'd actually try to post with some sincerity and stop coming across so damn insecure. No one gives a flying frak about what you own. You can have a valid argument without owning a product and have a pathetic opinion even if you do own it.
Consumer Reports sucks in general, however, I think it is right here. If you are in the US, the Map application in many ways is better than what it replaces.
TIm Cook, however, should never have apologized. A statement explaining the situation maybe, but an apology wasn't warranted.
I didn't think your posts of images and claims of what you "own" could get any more pathetic but now you're telling us you bought the highest capacity iPhoneas well? Despite posting the image having zero relevance to the topic posting the capacity just comes across as extra douchee.
You might have some credibility on any of the tech forums you troll if you'd actually try to post with some sincerity and stop coming across so damn insecure. No one gives a flying frak about what you own. You can have a valid argument without owning a product and have a pathetic opinion even if you do own it.
Yes...
I'm telling you that I "bought the highest capacity iPhone" 5 because That's Exactly What I Did (as I always buy the 'highest capacity' available of any device I choose to buy), and I have zero concern as to whether some pathetic troll like you finds my posts 'credible' or not - Deal With It (along with your obvious 'insecurities'/inferiority issues).
you can call DaHarder many things, but the guy actually owns all the devices he says he owns (I've seen posts on Engadget where he proved such).
Odd that he's called a hater of this or that platform from time to time as he probably bought more hardware from more manufacturers each than any of us have from any one manufacturer.
you can call DaHarder many things, but the guy actually owns all the devices he says he owns (I've seen posts on Engadget where he proved such).
Odd that he's called a hater of this or that platform from time to time as he probably bought more hardware from more manufacturers each than any of us have from any one manufacturer.
Maybe, but you guys seem to have nothing decent to say about Apple. Ever.
Apart from that being plainly weird, it sort of destroys your credibility. (Your credibility is also not enhanced when the only person giving you a thumbs up for your post is DaHarder).
you can call DaHarder many things, but the guy actually owns all the devices he says he owns (I've seen posts on Engadget where he proved such).
Odd that he's called a hater of this or that platform from time to time as he probably bought more hardware from more manufacturers each than any of us have from any one manufacturer.
Photos can be faked but I don't think anyone thinks he's faking his photos, it's just odd (to put in mildly) that he has to constantly show that he bought some mass produced CE. And now, he's boosting that he only buys the largest capacity device. It all comes across as very desperate and does absolutely nothing to increase his credibility as someone who is being objective or sincere.
For instance, you don't need to prove to me that you've bought a Galaxy Nexus S or Lumix 920 or iPhone 5 before I'll read your opinion about the device. I oft disagree with you (and GG's) opinions about philosophies in tech but I don't doubt your sincerity and don't recall ever saying your opinion isn't valid if you haven't owned ever tech being discussed.
Photos can be faked but I don't think anyone thinks he's faking his photos, it's just odd (to put in mildly) that he has to constantly show that he bought some mass produced CE. And now, he's boosting that he only buys the largest capacity device. It all comes across as very desperate and does absolutely nothing to increase his credibility as someone who is being objective or sincere.
For instance, you don't need to prove to me that you've bought a Galaxy Nexus S or Lumix 920 or iPhone 5 before I'll read your opinion about the device. I oft disagree with you (and GG's) opinions about philosophies in tech but I don't doubt your sincerity and don't recall ever saying your opinion isn't valid if you haven't owned ever tech being discussed.
It's merely a case of you and your (needlessly brand partisan) ilk behaving like some rabidly fanatical attack dogs when anyone post anything that doesn't conform to your little 'Apple ideal, often/unjustly calling their integrity into question in the process (as you did with my earlier post, and which I quickly debunked)
Personally... I don't care what you think, believe, etc. because In the many years that I've participated in this forum you've done absolutely nothing to lend the least bit of 'credibility' to any conversation, instead just coming across as a bitter, hostile, arrogant deviant who simply can't accept that there are opinions/experiences different than your own.
Don't Like My Posts... Don't Read/Respond To Them.
Anyway... It'll be nice once Apple finally gets this whole 'Maps debacle' settled.
Anyone who relied on Consumer Report for accurate review of product is an idiot. Here its review for iPhone 5 low light capability.
"The claimed improvements of the iPhone 5 in handling low-light shots were not apparent in our tests. In overall quality, both still and video images shot in low light on the iPhone 5 were of comparable quality to those shot on the iPhone 4S, though they did appear a little “ccoler” [sic], with a bluish hue. The shutter delay for both iPhones seemed all but instantaneous."
Many years ago in Road & Track, a Major Upsett cartoon said it all. We're driving along a road right at the edge of the ocean. Approaching the top, we see a line of cars pulled up at the cliff. One has just driven off the edge and is halfway to the water. The Major turns and says to his passenger: "I see Consumer Reports is testing cars again."
They break new ground in the field of ignorance every time they evaluate any type of product that I know anything about--I can only assume the rest are similar. I gave up on them completely in...1978, was it...when they rated the Dodge Omni and Plymouth Horizon "unacceptable" because--savor this in your mouth like a fine wine for a while--if you're barreling down the road at 50 mph with your hands off the wheel, then suddenly reach out, jerk the wheel 90 degrees, and let go again, the car "will oscillate and eventually run off the road".
About the same time frame, they rated a color TV that was by their own criteria the best in the comparison "unacceptable" because: The knobs were too easy to swallow! They're completely gormless morons on every subject.
Google initially released Google Maps as a BETA, which is what Apple should have done with their 'less than complete' (as per my week's use of my own iPhone 5 black/64gb), which may have avoided all of this nonsense.
Whoa! Hold on here guys, daharder has a picture of an iPhone, lets take him seriously now. Lol. Seriously man, how pathetic can you get.. that is just sad. But really, you're on here all the time.. what's the motivation? I'm sure it's for us to all benefit from your sage wisdom haha.. well, keep it up chief!
Seems like a somewhat balanced evaluation. Could be they change opinion every week though.
I largely agree with the quality of the turn by turn navigation interface, but I find it strange that they didn't note that Siri isn't the voice giving directions. The difference is very clear in English, the voice isn't as natural sounding as Siri and is a bit unfriendly and humorless. The Dutch version is extremely bad (full of noise and almost no 'contrast') and is barely understandable. Clearly some points to improve, perhaps they relate to the lack of support of Siri in the Netherlands and lots of other countries. (I reported this to Apple via the 'report a problem' link within maps).
Many years ago in Road & Track, a Major Upsett cartoon said it all. We're driving along a road right at the edge of the ocean. Approaching the top, we see a line of cars pulled up at the cliff. One has just driven off the edge and is halfway to the water. The Major turns and says to his passenger: "I see Consumer Reports is testing cars again."
They break new ground in the field of ignorance every time they evaluate any type of product that I know anything about--I can only assume the rest are similar. I gave up on them completely in...1978, was it...when they rated the Dodge Omni and Plymouth Horizon "unacceptable" because--savor this in your mouth like a fine wine for a while--if you're barreling down the road at 50 mph with your hands off the wheel, then suddenly reach out, jerk the wheel 90 degrees, and let go again, the car "will oscillate and eventually run off the road".
About the same time frame, they rated a color TV that was by their own criteria the best in the comparison "unacceptable" because: The knobs were too easy to [SIZE=22px]swallow[/SIZE] [SIZE=22px]![/SIZE] They're completely gormless morons on every subject.
Ha ha.
Same experience here with the Dutch 'consumentenbond'.
Incredible and they even charge for it; the problem is lots of people believe what they say and buy a .. .Tab because of it.
The article is entirely accurate. I blasted iMaps when it first came out because of what other people were saying. Then I actually used it for a week and it's been absolutely perfect. iMaps rocks. As Apple ][ said, most of the complainers are likely fandroids who haven't even used it.
Now, the group noted "having more thoroughly tested Apple Maps alongside a Samsung Galaxy S3 running Android 4.0.4 (Ice Cream Sandwich) with Google Maps, we have a more favorable opinion
So first it was bad but now it is better?
Way to destroy your own credibility...
Not like they thoroughly tested anything, really. They only tested navigation in urban areas in the US, that's hardly a thorough test. That information is provided by TomTom, so of course it would be accurate; try testing something that's not implemented by any other third parties, like pedestrian directions in the EU, and then report on the results.
They break new ground in the field of ignorance every time they evaluate any type of product that I know anything about--I can only assume the rest are similar. I gave up on them completely in...1978, was it...when they rated the Dodge Omni and Plymouth Horizon "unacceptable" because--savor this in your mouth like a fine wine for a while--if you're barreling down the road at 50 mph with your hands off the wheel, then suddenly reach out, jerk the wheel 90 degrees, and let go again, the car "will oscillate and eventually run off the road".
...and yet Chrysler decided they needed to improve the emergency handling characteristics of those two cars the very next model year in at least two different ways: adding a steering damper and lightening the steering wheel.
As for noting that knobs on a particular TV were too easy for a child to remove and swallow, kudos for the warning. If you didn't have little kids getting into anything and everything at the time then of course you could ignore that warning. You might even think it's silly if you've never had a kid swallow something harmful. Perhaps a bit overboard in not recommending, don't know, but the mention of the knobs being a potential problem certainly sounds appropriate to me.
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I am kind of surprised initially to see that there are so many issues with the US map. TomTom has been in the navigation business for along time. It is unlikely to give wrong direction if given a right address. Occasionally, road change may happen, and no one should hold these companies to be 100% accurate. Grant that Google spends more money and resources to update its map, and have a more accurate map than anybody on earth. But that only applies to a small percentage of locations. Google search is more likely going to give more refined response than Apple. A lot of times, people are accustomed to typing incomplete address. There are chances that Apple Map may give a wrong location. In those cases, the Apple map is not completely not usable. A user simply have to be more precise in putting the exact address. Point of interests is the same logic. But the Apple Map having a turn-by-turn navigation system is definitely an upgrade to the iOS5 version. If people are more patient, I am sure that Apple map can be smarter to provide you with correct information even with incomplete address.
This CR review of Maps is more or less even-handed and sums up my own personal experience. Aside from some strange landmark and business location data, really my only complaint is that traffic is not easily discerned, especially when driving. I've had absolutely no problems with directions, otherwise.
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Originally Posted by DaHarder
Given that Google Maps is the exponentially more mature/polished product, I'll stick with it for now, though I do look forward to Apple 'ironing' out the current issues with their fledgling effort.
Given that Google has had an over 5 year head start on Apple, why not give Apple a little credit for debuting a product that is exponentially better than Google's initial release? It's mighty big of you allowing Apple to iron the kinks out and I'm glad you're willing to give them another try once their fledgling, wet-behind-the-ears software product is out of diapers.
And if they never made this move you would be the first to criticize Apple for the lack of turn-by-turn navigation on the iPhone compared to other devices. :-/
Apple can never win in your eyes, can they?
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Originally Posted by Dickprinter
Given that Google has had an over 5 year head start on Apple, why not give Apple a little credit for debuting a product that is exponentially better than Google's initial release? It's mighty big of you allowing Apple to iron the kinks out and I'm glad you're willing to give them another try once their fledgling, wet-behind-the-ears software product is out of diapers.
And if they never made this move you would be the first to criticize Apple for the lack of turn-by-turn navigation on the iPhone compared to other devices. :-/
Apple can never win in your eyes, can they?
Sure... Whatever...
Google initially released Google Maps as a BETA, which is what Apple should have done with their 'less than complete' (as per my week's use of my own iPhone 5 black/64gb), which may have avoided all of this nonsense.
http://imageshack.us/a/img43/9286/p1000634t.jpg
I didn't think your posts of images and claims of what you "own" could get any more pathetic but now you're telling us you bought the highest capacity iPhone as well? Despite posting the image having zero relevance to the topic posting the capacity just comes across as extra douchee.
You might have some credibility on any of the tech forums you troll if you'd actually try to post with some sincerity and stop coming across so damn insecure. No one gives a flying frak about what you own. You can have a valid argument without owning a product and have a pathetic opinion even if you do own it.
TIm Cook, however, should never have apologized. A statement explaining the situation maybe, but an apology wasn't warranted.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I didn't think your posts of images and claims of what you "own" could get any more pathetic but now you're telling us you bought the highest capacity iPhoneas well? Despite posting the image having zero relevance to the topic posting the capacity just comes across as extra douchee.
You might have some credibility on any of the tech forums you troll if you'd actually try to post with some sincerity and stop coming across so damn insecure. No one gives a flying frak about what you own. You can have a valid argument without owning a product and have a pathetic opinion even if you do own it.
Yes...
I'm telling you that I "bought the highest capacity iPhone" 5 because That's Exactly What I Did (as I always buy the 'highest capacity' available of any device I choose to buy), and I have zero concern as to whether some pathetic troll like you finds my posts 'credible' or not - Deal With It (along with your obvious 'insecurities'/inferiority issues).
http://imageshack.us/a/img51/8382/p1000637c.jpg
Odd that he's called a hater of this or that platform from time to time as he probably bought more hardware from more manufacturers each than any of us have from any one manufacturer.
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz
you can call DaHarder many things, but the guy actually owns all the devices he says he owns (I've seen posts on Engadget where he proved such).
Odd that he's called a hater of this or that platform from time to time as he probably bought more hardware from more manufacturers each than any of us have from any one manufacturer.
Maybe, but you guys seem to have nothing decent to say about Apple. Ever.
Apart from that being plainly weird, it sort of destroys your credibility. (Your credibility is also not enhanced when the only person giving you a thumbs up for your post is DaHarder).
Photos can be faked but I don't think anyone thinks he's faking his photos, it's just odd (to put in mildly) that he has to constantly show that he bought some mass produced CE. And now, he's boosting that he only buys the largest capacity device. It all comes across as very desperate and does absolutely nothing to increase his credibility as someone who is being objective or sincere.
For instance, you don't need to prove to me that you've bought a Galaxy Nexus S or Lumix 920 or iPhone 5 before I'll read your opinion about the device. I oft disagree with you (and GG's) opinions about philosophies in tech but I don't doubt your sincerity and don't recall ever saying your opinion isn't valid if you haven't owned ever tech being discussed.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Photos can be faked but I don't think anyone thinks he's faking his photos, it's just odd (to put in mildly) that he has to constantly show that he bought some mass produced CE. And now, he's boosting that he only buys the largest capacity device. It all comes across as very desperate and does absolutely nothing to increase his credibility as someone who is being objective or sincere.
For instance, you don't need to prove to me that you've bought a Galaxy Nexus S or Lumix 920 or iPhone 5 before I'll read your opinion about the device. I oft disagree with you (and GG's) opinions about philosophies in tech but I don't doubt your sincerity and don't recall ever saying your opinion isn't valid if you haven't owned ever tech being discussed.
It's merely a case of you and your (needlessly brand partisan) ilk behaving like some rabidly fanatical attack dogs when anyone post anything that doesn't conform to your little 'Apple ideal, often/unjustly calling their integrity into question in the process (as you did with my earlier post, and which I quickly debunked)
Personally... I don't care what you think, believe, etc. because In the many years that I've participated in this forum you've done absolutely nothing to lend the least bit of 'credibility' to any conversation, instead just coming across as a bitter, hostile, arrogant deviant who simply can't accept that there are opinions/experiences different than your own.
Don't Like My Posts... Don't Read/Respond To Them.
Anyway... It'll be nice once Apple finally gets this whole 'Maps debacle' settled.
Anyone who relied on Consumer Report for accurate review of product is an idiot. Here its review for iPhone 5 low light capability.
"The claimed improvements of the iPhone 5 in handling low-light shots were not apparent in our tests. In overall quality, both still and video images shot in low light on the iPhone 5 were of comparable quality to those shot on the iPhone 4S, though they did appear a little “ccoler” [sic], with a bluish hue. The shutter delay for both iPhones seemed all but instantaneous."
Many years ago in Road & Track, a Major Upsett cartoon said it all. We're driving along a road right at the edge of the ocean. Approaching the top, we see a line of cars pulled up at the cliff. One has just driven off the edge and is halfway to the water. The Major turns and says to his passenger: "I see Consumer Reports is testing cars again."
They break new ground in the field of ignorance every time they evaluate any type of product that I know anything about--I can only assume the rest are similar. I gave up on them completely in...1978, was it...when they rated the Dodge Omni and Plymouth Horizon "unacceptable" because--savor this in your mouth like a fine wine for a while--if you're barreling down the road at 50 mph with your hands off the wheel, then suddenly reach out, jerk the wheel 90 degrees, and let go again, the car "will oscillate and eventually run off the road".
About the same time frame, they rated a color TV that was by their own criteria the best in the comparison "unacceptable" because: The knobs were too easy to swallow ! They're completely gormless morons on every subject.
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Originally Posted by DaHarder
Sure... Whatever...
Google initially released Google Maps as a BETA, which is what Apple should have done with their 'less than complete' (as per my week's use of my own iPhone 5 black/64gb), which may have avoided all of this nonsense.
http://imageshack.us/a/img43/9286/p1000634t.jpg
Whoa! Hold on here guys, daharder has a picture of an iPhone, lets take him seriously now. Lol. Seriously man, how pathetic can you get.. that is just sad. But really, you're on here all the time.. what's the motivation? I'm sure it's for us to all benefit from your sage wisdom haha.. well, keep it up chief!
Could be they change opinion every week though.
I largely agree with the quality of the turn by turn navigation interface, but I find it strange that they didn't note that Siri isn't the voice giving directions.
The difference is very clear in English, the voice isn't as natural sounding as Siri and is a bit unfriendly and humorless.
The Dutch version is extremely bad (full of noise and almost no 'contrast') and is barely understandable.
Clearly some points to improve, perhaps they relate to the lack of support of Siri in the Netherlands and lots of other countries.
(I reported this to Apple via the 'report a problem' link within maps).
J.
Ha ha.
Same experience here with the Dutch 'consumentenbond'.
Incredible and they even charge for it; the problem is lots of people believe what they say and buy a .. .Tab because of it.
J.
Honesty is a real quality.
J.
Not like they thoroughly tested anything, really. They only tested navigation in urban areas in the US, that's hardly a thorough test. That information is provided by TomTom, so of course it would be accurate; try testing something that's not implemented by any other third parties, like pedestrian directions in the EU, and then report on the results.
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Originally Posted by Mac-sochist
They break new ground in the field of ignorance every time they evaluate any type of product that I know anything about--I can only assume the rest are similar. I gave up on them completely in...1978, was it...when they rated the Dodge Omni and Plymouth Horizon "unacceptable" because--savor this in your mouth like a fine wine for a while--if you're barreling down the road at 50 mph with your hands off the wheel, then suddenly reach out, jerk the wheel 90 degrees, and let go again, the car "will oscillate and eventually run off the road".
...and yet Chrysler decided they needed to improve the emergency handling characteristics of those two cars the very next model year in at least two different ways: adding a steering damper and lightening the steering wheel.
As for noting that knobs on a particular TV were too easy for a child to remove and swallow, kudos for the warning. If you didn't have little kids getting into anything and everything at the time then of course you could ignore that warning. You might even think it's silly if you've never had a kid swallow something harmful. Perhaps a bit overboard in not recommending, don't know, but the mention of the knobs being a potential problem certainly sounds appropriate to me.