Pop out Airs with Retina displays and I suspect they'll see a very nice sales bump. I know I'd love one, and there's no chance I'm moving from my Air 11 back to a 4.5lb 'Pro' laptop to get one.
stock getting crushed again today on seemingly endless bad news. so much for tax selling... where is the news on further cuts and drop in production?? should be front and center, no?
The shorts are making use if any bad news to short the stock and yesterday we have this company that supposed to have detected a fall in the usage of the iPads.
Well we can't change the old thinking of these analysts who think that it is important to count the numbers but this method has been effectively destroyed by amazon and google who sell their products without profits.
And for them individual product line is more important than the total profits made whereas for Apple competitors they are given a blank cheque.
There is no quick fix because after SJ Apple is experiencing a sort of renewal throes and until Apple start pulling off better sales quarter after quarter then its critics will be silence and until then this is keep on happening especially whenever any negative rumor surface and you bet they will keep popping up curtesy of the shorts.
TS was writing about tablets, and is correct. You changed to topic to Laptops, where you are correct.
Really? Then why did he state:
Really? Because I've never had Office on any of my Macs at any point and… I get along just fine. So do millions of others
Furthermore, TS' post that I was commenting on was in response to:
However, it does beg the question (and I'm serious about this question for which I do not have the answer, but believe it often impacts computer purchases)... how important is MS Office for computer shoppers?...because iOS doesn't do MS Office. Or is MS Office a non-issue?
Considering that the thread is about MacBooks and the comment mentioned 'computer purchases', just what makes you think it's about tablets?
Again, TS is grossly out of touch with reality. The fact that he doesn't use MS Office doesn't mean that it's of no value. The fact that some other people don't use it doesn't make it useless. LOTS of people need Office.
It's just like the iPad Mini stuff. TS thinks that everyone should bow down and worship every pronouncement from his mouth. No one else is entitled to an opinion that disagrees with his.
Furthermore, TS' post that I was commenting on was in response to:
Which specifically mentions both.
Again, TS is grossly out of touch with reality. The fact that he doesn't use MS Office doesn't mean that it's of no value.
You'll notice I didn't say it was, just that people obviously don't care about it, making it nonessential. Perhaps you're out of touch with something.
It's just like the iPad Mini stuff. TS thinks that everyone should bow down and worship every pronouncement from his mouth. No one else is entitled to an opinion that disagrees with his.
Pretend to believe whatever you want to believe. It's almost like this is PO… *rimshot*
I do think Apple is on to something with their current trend towards larger multi-touch trackpads controlling an onscreen pointer. The future desktop might be something like that: a combination of touch gestures directly manipulating "selected objects" on screen, with a pointer to make selections.
I think it's possible that, eventually, hardware keyboards will become a thing of the past. That we'll use something with a touchscreen that can be a keyboard, trackpad, and other types of controls, including application defined. But that this "control panel" will remain separate from the screen, even though we use it somewhat like we use an iPad today.
When citing predictions made by market research companies, analysts, psychics, etc., it would be nice to know what the predictor's historic track record has been on similar predictions that are now verifiable.
Overall retail sales in the US disappointed this holiday season. If this report is accurate, Apple actually outperformed considering that they dropped only 6% vs. 11% for Windows PC manufacturers, and managed a larger increase in average selling price. My guess is that the 13" rMBP is a bit pricey for a Christmas gift for most (the one I bought on 12/26/12 apparently was 4 days too late for NPD).
Had to go to my local Apple Store. They still have roped off with stanchions and man counter at the front with more iDevices and Mac notebooks for quick sales. There were about 20 people in the store and they were all busy with customers. I wonder if post-Xmas sales from money and gift cards are popular. It sure appeared that to me in my quick visit today.
This is a problem but the people that need OS access won't be able to settle for an iPad.
You can also argue a little more reluctance in consumer spending, but not much else.
I can argue that the unknowns related to the economy are in fact a huge factor. People will be losing a significant portion of their income to taxes and if you are already in a crunch as far as $$$$$ go then holding off to see how the economy holds out makes very good sense. Loosing 2% of your income might be bearable by most, a 5% lost of income can be very serious for many.
Apple's quarterly report will tell the actual tale, where we'll see actual YoY numbers.
Yep, theses sorts of reports have been grossly wrong in the past. However I'm of the opinion that the laptop has had its day as a must have. Laptops won't give up markets share very fast but the market will change to reflect the fact that many don't need laptops anymore.
Assuming NPD's numbers are correct, I think that explains it almost entirely.
I will just wait for Apples numbers myself. As for Christmas sales I have this feeling that it wasn't a hot year for any market sector.
Another, minor at this time, factor is that I think notebook sales are at, or close to, their peak. As tablets become ubiquitous, and more than capable to handle the mobile needs of the vast majority of users, I think a lot of sales are going to switch back to desktops. Notebooks as a primary computer have always been a compromise solution -- relatively heavy to carry around, and cramped by relatively tiny screens -- as well as overkill for what most people need to do away from home or the office. With the advent of useable tablets -- i.e., iPads -- more and more people are likely to opt for more of a no-compromise approach to computing, picking the devices that work the best for what they are used for and where they are used. Even a 21" iMac is better and more productive than a 15" MacBook for stationary use. An iPad or iPhone is much easier to carry around for mobile use, with all the functionality that most users need. Most people don't have to compromise any longer, and they aren't going to want to.
As a current 2008 MBP owner I'm leaning towards a desktop, hopefully late this year. The big problem there is that the entire desktop lineup sucks Right now. Especially when compared against Apples own laptops, the value equation is just terrible.
Notebooks have also been sort of a "fashion" trend for the last decade, with people buying them even when they don't need to carry them around. Now it's much cooler to be seen with an iPad than even a MacBook Air. So the "fashion" aspect of choices will also fuel this trend. For those who really do need a "full computer" on the go -- and that's really a relatively small number of people -- MacBook Airs with Retina displays will be the standard hardware in a couple of years as the MBP line will gradually be phased out in its favor.
I don't see that happening for years if ever. Like it or not laptops are a strong 80% of Apples Mac sales. I could see the desktops consolidating before the laptop line shrinks. Beyond that there is the simple reality that some users honestly need the performance of Apples Pro computers.
It will be interesting to see what Apple does with its desktop line over the next several years as the expected uptick in desktop sales takes off. I'm skeptical that we'll ever see the xMac, but perhaps another 1 or 2 iMac options, or more variation in the Mini line.
I'm really thinking that this year will be very interesting in that regard. The Mini is ripe for a rethink, the Mac Pro we know is getting overhauled and finally the iMac I don't care about.
It doesn't matter of your finger is touching air or a display, I'd your arms are outstretched in front of you for extended times you'll get gorilla arm.
Why would you have your arm outstretched in front of you for an extended period of time? Or do you have some strange idea that you would spend all of your time inputting through the screen? Never mind a laptops screen is never far out of hand to start with.
I think behind all the hype, Apple has disappointed with the retina Macbook Pros. The 13" model is the worst of the set. The Macbook Pro Retina with 13" screen, 128GB SSD, and 8GB RAM has a value NO WHERE EVEN CLOSE to $1699 + Tax.
This is a valid issue and I do believe that Apple is learning the hard way. However, they also know that they are the market leader with a technology that is slowly ramping. Thus they can moderate sales by pricing at they top tier while production ramps. In two years retina will be mainstream at mainstream prices.
So yeah the 13 rMBP is a terrible deal unless you really really want the machine.
They even have a 13" retina MBP configuration at $2700 + Tax. It is downright laughable. The icing on the cake is that they are using proprietary SSD blades, soldering the RAM to the $1200 logic board and virtually making the thing non-upgradeable and non-user serviceable. So you spend $1800-$2900 on a 13" laptop that has an shorter than normal lifespan due to technology advances and the fact that you can't upgrade normal basic components.
I will agree that the top end is laughable pricing wise but have to disagree with respect to the short lifespans. These machines could end up demonstrating reliability far in excess of what is normal of a laptop,
No need to bring out the haters. I own 2 iMacs, 2 MBPs, 3 iPads, 3 iPods, 3iPhones in my family. I love Apple Products which is why I spend more to buy them than I would have to if I bought PC, but if Apple thinks this year they are going to slim down to Macbook Airs and Macbook Pro Retinas, neither are serviceable by a user, I will be done with Apple Laptops and will need to find another.
Protest all you want but the whole market will be going in that direction.
Nice to offer the Retinas to those that have the money to blow on them, but if you want a common user group, you will need to maintain some type of reasonable line of laptops.
IMHO :-)
As wacky as Apples laptop line up may appear, it is 100 times more rational than the desktop lineup.
No 17 inch (our company would have purchased 3 of them if they were sill available) and no optical drive (necessary for our video productions and file distribution to customers).
Except for editing on location, why would any company doing video production use a laptop or a 17" screen to create/edit content or make DVDs?
Why would you have your arm outstretched in front of you for an extended period of time? Or do you have some strange idea that you would spend all of your time inputting through the screen? Never mind a laptops screen is never far out of hand to start with.
I wouldn't, which is why I don't think a gesture and touchscreen based Mac will replace a mouse/trackpad and keyboard as your primary input devices. Minority Report was cool but it's not practical. Same goes for the see through displays in Avatar and many other sci-fi films.
The Macbook Pro Retina with 13" screen, 128GB SSD, and 8GB RAM has a value NO WHERE EVEN CLOSE to $1699 + Tax.
You are either basing this on a personal definition of the regard that something is held to deserve based on your subjective feeling and use for the device or you are adding up the sum of the materials to come to your conclusion. In either case it's pointless. We know Apple makes a profit on their HW which nullifies the latter definition and if you go by the first definition you can reasonably only apply that to yourself. If the value is too low the product will not sell at that price. Do you think that will happen? I don't.
Except for editing on location, why would any company doing video production use a laptop or a 17" screen to create/edit content or make DVDs?
I think that's it; I think that's a big thing the 17" afforded. I mean, from aught three to '12, the 17" MacBook Pro was the machine used in that situation, and many others. Not saying people didn't take 15's on location, but I've always heard 17, 17, 17…
Same here.....I drop a SSD 240GB and replace my dead DVD with another 1TB HDD on my early 2008 Macbook Pro......it's a like driving an old Toyota with a turbo charge 10 litre engine now.
Video editing is not the only situation 17" laptop was/is used (on location is a big one). The 17" laptop was the standard of the recording industry. Logic (or other DAW's) is simply to difficult to work on a 15" retina screen (live mobile situations). Many people in the recording industry would have bought a new laptop (even though the market is small). It is sad that people want to belittle those of us who wanted and were willing to pay for the extra's that came on a 17".
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Originally Posted by ipen
Hahaha, 2 yo playing on ipad... I bet his eyes will be ruined (nearsighted) by age 5.
Why?
Great idea. They should call it an iPad!
Well we can't change the old thinking of these analysts who think that it is important to count the numbers but this method has been effectively destroyed by amazon and google who sell their products without profits.
And for them individual product line is more important than the total profits made whereas for Apple competitors they are given a blank cheque.
There is no quick fix because after SJ Apple is experiencing a sort of renewal throes and until Apple start pulling off better sales quarter after quarter then its critics will be silence and until then this is keep on happening especially whenever any negative rumor surface and you bet they will keep popping up curtesy of the shorts.
Really? Then why did he state:
Furthermore, TS' post that I was commenting on was in response to:
Considering that the thread is about MacBooks and the comment mentioned 'computer purchases', just what makes you think it's about tablets?
Again, TS is grossly out of touch with reality. The fact that he doesn't use MS Office doesn't mean that it's of no value. The fact that some other people don't use it doesn't make it useless. LOTS of people need Office.
It's just like the iPad Mini stuff. TS thinks that everyone should bow down and worship every pronouncement from his mouth. No one else is entitled to an opinion that disagrees with his.
Originally Posted by jragosta
Really? Then why did he state:
Because YOU mentioned computers.
Furthermore, TS' post that I was commenting on was in response to:
Which specifically mentions both.
Again, TS is grossly out of touch with reality. The fact that he doesn't use MS Office doesn't mean that it's of no value.
You'll notice I didn't say it was, just that people obviously don't care about it, making it nonessential. Perhaps you're out of touch with something.
It's just like the iPad Mini stuff. TS thinks that everyone should bow down and worship every pronouncement from his mouth. No one else is entitled to an opinion that disagrees with his.
Pretend to believe whatever you want to believe. It's almost like this is PO… *rimshot*
Quote:
Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
I do think Apple is on to something with their current trend towards larger multi-touch trackpads controlling an onscreen pointer. The future desktop might be something like that: a combination of touch gestures directly manipulating "selected objects" on screen, with a pointer to make selections.
I think it's possible that, eventually, hardware keyboards will become a thing of the past. That we'll use something with a touchscreen that can be a keyboard, trackpad, and other types of controls, including application defined. But that this "control panel" will remain separate from the screen, even though we use it somewhat like we use an iPad today.
When citing predictions made by market research companies, analysts, psychics, etc., it would be nice to know what the predictor's historic track record has been on similar predictions that are now verifiable.
Had to go to my local Apple Store. They still have roped off with stanchions and man counter at the front with more iDevices and Mac notebooks for quick sales. There were about 20 people in the store and they were all busy with customers. I wonder if post-Xmas sales from money and gift cards are popular. It sure appeared that to me in my quick visit today.
Yep, theses sorts of reports have been grossly wrong in the past. However I'm of the opinion that the laptop has had its day as a must have. Laptops won't give up markets share very fast but the market will change to reflect the fact that many don't need laptops anymore.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
It doesn't matter of your finger is touching air or a display, I'd your arms are outstretched in front of you for extended times you'll get gorilla arm.
Why would you have your arm outstretched in front of you for an extended period of time? Or do you have some strange idea that you would spend all of your time inputting through the screen? Never mind a laptops screen is never far out of hand to start with.
So yeah the 13 rMBP is a terrible deal unless you really really want the machine. I will agree that the top end is laughable pricing wise but have to disagree with respect to the short lifespans. These machines could end up demonstrating reliability far in excess of what is normal of a laptop, Protest all you want but the whole market will be going in that direction.
As wacky as Apples laptop line up may appear, it is 100 times more rational than the desktop lineup.
Quote:
Originally Posted by AppleInsider
Despite slower sales, the average selling price of MacBooks was up nearly $100 from a year prior to $1,419.
This says that even though sales were down, the price was up by $100.
How about sales were down because the price was up by $100?
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Originally Posted by justamacguy
No 17 inch (our company would have purchased 3 of them if they were sill available) and no optical drive (necessary for our video productions and file distribution to customers).
Except for editing on location, why would any company doing video production use a laptop or a 17" screen to create/edit content or make DVDs?
I wouldn't, which is why I don't think a gesture and touchscreen based Mac will replace a mouse/trackpad and keyboard as your primary input devices. Minority Report was cool but it's not practical. Same goes for the see through displays in Avatar and many other sci-fi films.
You are either basing this on a personal definition of the regard that something is held to deserve based on your subjective feeling and use for the device or you are adding up the sum of the materials to come to your conclusion. In either case it's pointless. We know Apple makes a profit on their HW which nullifies the latter definition and if you go by the first definition you can reasonably only apply that to yourself. If the value is too low the product will not sell at that price. Do you think that will happen? I don't.
Originally Posted by Chris_CA
Except for editing on location, why would any company doing video production use a laptop or a 17" screen to create/edit content or make DVDs?
I think that's it; I think that's a big thing the 17" afforded. I mean, from aught three to '12, the 17" MacBook Pro was the machine used in that situation, and many others. Not saying people didn't take 15's on location, but I've always heard 17, 17, 17…
Same here.....I drop a SSD 240GB and replace my dead DVD with another 1TB HDD on my early 2008 Macbook Pro......it's a like driving an old Toyota with a turbo charge 10 litre engine now.
Upgrade for me can wait until it dies off.......
Video editing is not the only situation 17" laptop was/is used (on location is a big one). The 17" laptop was the standard of the recording industry. Logic (or other DAW's) is simply to difficult to work on a 15" retina screen (live mobile situations). Many people in the recording industry would have bought a new laptop (even though the market is small). It is sad that people want to belittle those of us who wanted and were willing to pay for the extra's that came on a 17".