Sorkin won't blow it. He manages to avoid all cliches and find truth.
Having said that, I thought much of The Social Network was boring.
Too many scenes of people sitting in conference rooms looking morose and talking about law suits.
There in is the trouble with telling it how it really was. It's not always the best story.
He looks his age, he was likely not avail anyway since he's doing a TV show and he might not have been willing to work cheap.
That's the thing: these are why he would have been perfect. He's the right age to play Steve in a movie about the part we haven't seen yet. He's the right actor to play Steve because he did it before, to the real man's approval (at least acknowledgement). And the money shouldn't matter if you care about quality.
I certainly don't get the reference. What am I missing?
Oh, that one episode of Seinfeld where whoever this is (couldn't even find a picture for the longest time) accuses Jerry of being a phony, and when he's called out on it tries to spin 'phony' as having a "modern" definition.
I just think it's interesting that Woz, having "given his blessing" for Kutcher to play Jobs (despite that making zero sense), does a 180 after seeing how it turned out.
Oh, that one episode of Seinfeld where whoever this is (couldn't even find a picture for the longest time) accuses Jerry of being a phony, and when he's called out on it tries to spin 'phony' as having a "modern" definition.
I just think it's interesting that Woz, having "given his blessing" for Kutcher to play Jobs (despite that making zero sense), does a 180 after seeing how it turned out.
He could be okay with Kutcher playing Jobs, and still not be okay with the script. Actually, it doesn't seem like anyone's in love with it.
Oh, that one episode of Seinfeld where whoever this is (couldn't even find a picture for the longest time) accuses Jerry of being a phony, and when he's called out on it tries to spin 'phony' as having a "modern" definition.
I just think it's interesting that Woz, having "given his blessing" for Kutcher to play Jobs (despite that making zero sense), does a 180 after seeing how it turned out.
What you mean is: "Most of the typical Apple-haters here, none of whom has seen the script or the movie, likes it."
Nope, that's NOT what I mean. And what is with thinking that anyone who doesn't like the movie must be an "Apple hater"? There are plenty of big Apple fans who would rather have had Noah Wyle and a Pirates II movie instead.
I think it's probably worth waiting until the movie is actually out before making a judgment.
That first clip was not impressive.
Now there have been plenty of people who've already seen it, and commented on or reviewed it. Check out other forums and news sites.
Terribly unflattering portrait of him, who appears to have been nothing without the visionary "ideas man" that Jobs was. Jobs got all the glory for the past 20 years while Woz sat it out.
This.
Woz has been an utter failure and nothing more than a glory hound for the past several years (ok decades). I used to have tons of respect for the guy. No more.
Woz has been an utter failure and nothing more than a glory hound for the past several years (ok decades). I used to have tons of respect for the guy. No more.
"This movie stinks and it's Tim Cook's fault. Ever since Steve died... " /s
I saw a preview on the evening news. The announcer attributed Woz as the man who took over the helm from Steve Jobs. I know the calls are rolling into the station as I type...
I just think it's interesting that Woz, having "given his blessing" for Kutcher to play Jobs (despite that making zero sense), does a 180 after seeing how it turned out.
After viewing this one minute sequence, I think the problem is not so much the actors than the scenario and the dialogue ... May be one "garage sequence" was enough ?
Woz was a genius, but geniuses are typically genius at one thing, e.g. Mozart with his music or Faraday with his physics, Woz with his electronics. If you ask their opinion in a field that is not their obsession, go right ahead, but don't expect an answer any better than the average smart person will give, and may even be wrong.
Why does everyone keep complementing on being so humble, etc? I read iWoz, and most of the book is him basically saying how amazing he is. So basically now, he's saying 'Steve didn't come up with this idea, *I* did. Then he goes on to pitch his book. Woz has pretty much been ragging on Apple and promoting competitors for the past decade. He bashes Apple every opportunity he gets, and slobbers over some new gimmick from any competitor, proclaiming how innovative it is and wishing Apple was that innovative. The guy has done jack shit the past 2 decades, yet he's idolized and everyone is always foaming at the mouth to get his opinion on anything. He hasn't shown a shred of insight the past 20 years, except living off his Apple stock and bringing attention to himself whenever he can, usually with an anti-Apple comment thats insanely small-minded.
I read his book and I have to agree that is the way it comes across. Woz sounds like one of those nerd kids that knows a bit more than his peers, is smug about it, and never grows up. He is damn lucky he was dragged into the formation of a Apple, almost against his will.
But on that clip. Man, it is terrible. Kutcher essentially plays himself in every role.
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There in is the trouble with telling it how it really was. It's not always the best story.
He looks his age, he was likely not avail anyway since he's doing a TV show and he might not have been willing to work cheap.
Originally Posted by charlituna
He looks his age, he was likely not avail anyway since he's doing a TV show and he might not have been willing to work cheap.
That's the thing: these are why he would have been perfect. He's the right age to play Steve in a movie about the part we haven't seen yet. He's the right actor to play Steve because he did it before, to the real man's approval (at least acknowledgement). And the money shouldn't matter if you care about quality.
I certainly don't get the reference. What am I missing?
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I certainly don't get the reference. What am I missing?
Oh, that one episode of Seinfeld where whoever this is (couldn't even find a picture for the longest time) accuses Jerry of being a phony, and when he's called out on it tries to spin 'phony' as having a "modern" definition.
I just think it's interesting that Woz, having "given his blessing" for Kutcher to play Jobs (despite that making zero sense), does a 180 after seeing how it turned out.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Oh, that one episode of Seinfeld where whoever this is (couldn't even find a picture for the longest time) accuses Jerry of being a phony, and when he's called out on it tries to spin 'phony' as having a "modern" definition.
The Parking Space script.
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I just think it's interesting that Woz, having "given his blessing" for Kutcher to play Jobs (despite that making zero sense), does a 180 after seeing how it turned out.
He could be okay with Kutcher playing Jobs, and still not be okay with the script. Actually, it doesn't seem like anyone's in love with it.
Actor: Lee Arenberg
Character: Mike Moffit
Clip:
What you mean is: "Most of the typical Apple-haters here, none of whom has seen the script or the movie, likes it."
I think it's probably worth waiting until the movie is actually out before making a judgment.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
What you mean is: "Most of the typical Apple-haters here, none of whom has seen the script or the movie, likes it."
Nope, that's NOT what I mean. And what is with thinking that anyone who doesn't like the movie must be an "Apple hater"? There are plenty of big Apple fans who would rather have had Noah Wyle and a Pirates II movie instead.
I think it's probably worth waiting until the movie is actually out before making a judgment.
That first clip was not impressive.
Now there have been plenty of people who've already seen it, and commented on or reviewed it. Check out other forums and news sites.
For once we can say "This would never have happened if Steve Jobs were alive" and it would actually be true.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
Woz sees the obvious:
Terribly unflattering portrait of him, who appears to have been nothing without the visionary "ideas man" that Jobs was. Jobs got all the glory for the past 20 years while Woz sat it out.
This.
Woz has been an utter failure and nothing more than a glory hound for the past several years (ok decades). I used to have tons of respect for the guy. No more.
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Originally Posted by tikiman
This.
Woz has been an utter failure and nothing more than a glory hound for the past several years (ok decades). I used to have tons of respect for the guy. No more.
I wonder if Woz even knows your name. Just sayin'
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
"This movie stinks and it's Tim Cook's fault. Ever since Steve died... " /s
I saw a preview on the evening news. The announcer attributed Woz as the man who took over the helm from Steve Jobs. I know the calls are rolling into the station as I type...
I think Tim needs a pr person...
Well, on a positive note, at least this film doesn't give you cancer!
(I am right, right?)
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I just think it's interesting that Woz, having "given his blessing" for Kutcher to play Jobs (despite that making zero sense), does a 180 after seeing how it turned out.
After viewing this one minute sequence, I think the problem is not so much the actors than the scenario and the dialogue ... May be one "garage sequence" was enough ?
Woz was a genius, but geniuses are typically genius at one thing, e.g. Mozart with his music or Faraday with his physics, Woz with his electronics. If you ask their opinion in a field that is not their obsession, go right ahead, but don't expect an answer any better than the average smart person will give, and may even be wrong.
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Originally Posted by Slurpy
Why does everyone keep complementing on being so humble, etc? I read iWoz, and most of the book is him basically saying how amazing he is. So basically now, he's saying 'Steve didn't come up with this idea, *I* did. Then he goes on to pitch his book. Woz has pretty much been ragging on Apple and promoting competitors for the past decade. He bashes Apple every opportunity he gets, and slobbers over some new gimmick from any competitor, proclaiming how innovative it is and wishing Apple was that innovative. The guy has done jack shit the past 2 decades, yet he's idolized and everyone is always foaming at the mouth to get his opinion on anything. He hasn't shown a shred of insight the past 20 years, except living off his Apple stock and bringing attention to himself whenever he can, usually with an anti-Apple comment thats insanely small-minded.
I read his book and I have to agree that is the way it comes across. Woz sounds like one of those nerd kids that knows a bit more than his peers, is smug about it, and never grows up. He is damn lucky he was dragged into the formation of a Apple, almost against his will.
But on that clip. Man, it is terrible. Kutcher essentially plays himself in every role.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I certainly don't get the reference. What am I missing?
It's a Seinfeld reference.
The mention of "phony":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Parking_Space