Apple now nearly as big as Microsoft Windows in personal computing sales

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  • Reply 41 of 108
    I wonder if Microsoft should start building Windows on top of Unix the way Apple does, make Windows just another "skin" GUI that could be used on Apple or Android machines, on any machine basically.
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  • Reply 42 of 108
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    nht wrote: »
    Except it's not a sound rebuttal.  Every single data point on that chart associated with OSX or iOS represents an Apple device sale.  Every single hackintosh on that chart is associated with a Windows device sale.  Those are not OS sales.  Read the chart title.

    I did. Read my comment. Slurpy's post happens to be words the opposite of what it should be to be actual factual.
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  • Reply 43 of 108
    nhtnht Posts: 4,522member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post



    I did. Read my comment. Slurpy's post happens to be words the opposite of what it should be to be actual factual.


     


    It's completely factual in the context of the discussion of the numbers presented in the article.  It's like folks discussing the Super Bowl game and Slurpy stating:


     


    "And what's more amazing that every single throw to XXX is caught even when completely smothered by a defender" and some smart ass showing a picture from the regular season of XXX dropping the ball with no one around.  The statement isn't true as a general statement but is completely true in the context of the game being discussed.  


     


    Likewise the statement "Whats more amazing is every single instance of iOS/OSX is attached to Apple hardware." is completely true in the context of the statement "As a result, the number of personal computing devices sold by Apple have now hit a quarterly record total just shy of 80 million units: 75 million iOS devices and 4.1 million Macs." in direct contrast to Windows where the windows devices were sold by a lot of different companies.


     


    Every single instance of iOS/OSX in the context of the article is attached to Apple hardware because that was the metric that was measured: devices. Is that now clear?  Stop pandering to the trolls.  Even when they are telling the "truth" they are lying.

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  • Reply 44 of 108


    Difficult to read all the posts..but would just have to say, both my iPhone and my iPad are allowing me to do over 90% of my "computing!"


     


    I hardly use my iMac anymore.

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  • Reply 45 of 108
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    nht wrote: »
    It's completely factual in the context of the discussion of the numbers presented in the article.  It's like folks discussing the Super Bowl game and Slurpy stating:

    "And what's more amazing that every single throw to XXX is caught even when completely smothered by a defender" and some smart ass showing a picture from the regular season of XXX dropping the ball with no one around.  The statement isn't true as a general statement but is completely true in the context of the game being discussed.  

    Likewise the statement "<span style="color:rgb(24,24,24);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Whats more amazing is every single instance of iOS/OSX is attached to Apple hardware." is completely true in the context of the statement "</span>
    <span style="color:rgb(24,24,24);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:18px;">As a result, the number of personal computing devices sold by Apple have now hit a quarterly record total just shy of 80 million units: 75 million iOS devices and 4.1 million Macs." in direct contrast to Windows where the windows devices were sold by a lot of different companies.</span>


    <span style="color:rgb(24,24,24);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:18px;">Every single instance of iOS/OSX in the context of the article is attached to Apple hardware because that was the metric that was measured: devices. Is that now clear?  Stop pandering to the trolls.  Even when they are telling the "truth" they are lying.</span>

    This is simple. Slurpy made a statement that wasn't technically accurate and Cash responded to that comment. You can't then say "if you ignore the argument and look only at something else that was the catalyst for the entire discussion then Slurpy is right." That's bullocks. His words are still technically inaccurate. You might as well pull the Chewbacca defense if we're not going to look at facts.
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  • Reply 46 of 108
    sockrolidsockrolid Posts: 2,789member


    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post



    ... Canalys has actually dropped the term "tablet" (used by Microsoft for more than last two decades) and adopted "pad" when speaking of the iPad's market in a generic terms.


     


    I've always referred to the iPad-and-its-clones market as the "pad computing" market.


    One point for me.


     


    That gives me a grand total of, let's see...


    Yeah.  1 point.  Yay.


     


    But seriously, iPad is yet another revolutionary concept that is changing our culture.


    When's the last time you listened to a talk show on a portable device that wasn't a "podcast"?

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  • Reply 47 of 108
    nhtnht Posts: 4,522member

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    This is simple. Slurpy made a statement that wasn't technically accurate


     


    Only technically inaccurate when taken out of context.


     


    Out of context then even upgrade sales of OSX to existing mac owners are also not associated with new device sales.  There's a hell of a lot more of that than there are hackintoshes.

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  • Reply 48 of 108
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    nht wrote: »
    Only technically inaccurate when taken out of context.

    Out of context then even upgrade sales of OSX to existing mac owners are also not associated with new device sales.  There's a hell of a lot more of that than there are hackintoshes.

    You're insufferable. The context is all there. Are there more installations of OS X than there are Macs? Yes. That is what is what said and that is what was countered.
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  • Reply 49 of 108

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    This is simple. Slurpy made a statement that wasn't technically accurate and Cash responded to that comment. You can't then say "if you ignore the argument and look only at something else that was the catalyst for the entire discussion then Slurpy is right." That's bullocks. His words are still technically inaccurate. You might as well pull the Chewbacca defense if we're not going to look at facts.


    You're being linguistically picky, when the meaning of what Slurpy said was quite obvious, and even taken literally, a claim that's almost fully correct.


     


    Moreover, I recall that in a recent thread on "103%" you were scolding folks for similar linguistic anality......

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  • Reply 50 of 108

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    You're insufferable. 


    Before you throw that at people, you might take a look at....

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  • Reply 51 of 108
    a_greera_greer Posts: 4,594member
    The iPad is representative of a new category. PCs are mature. Many corperations keep PCs for 3-4 years, but because the ipad is so new, and since Apple holds back key features and trickles them out one at a time, people tend to buy new every year, or two at most - I dont know anyone still using an iPad 1, but I know lots of people happily and productively using PCs from that era or before.

    An anecdotal example of this is a friend of mine who has had 4 smart phones since 2006, but uses the same laptop, a simple ram upgrade and a wipe and reload with Windows 7 and it is still very usable for web surfing, online banking, and the occasional stuff that isn't so great on a cell phone.

    Give me a decent mid range PC from 2007, and about $50 of ram, I can give you a great little Windows 8 PC for basic non-gaming type family computing...can your 2007 smartphone even be used for anything? how about your 2009 model?

    Many many people buy PCs 2 to 3 times a decade, those people buy phones 5 times a decade and tablets about 4 times a decade on average based on my observation.
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  • Reply 52 of 108
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    You're being linguistically picky, when the meaning of what Slurpy said was quite obvious, and even taken literally, a claim that's almost fully correct.

    This isn't an issue of an obscure use of a term it's a specific statement that is technically inaccurate as stated. I personally like Slurpy. he contributes a lot and he's smart and witty. I certainly don't care for Cash and his trolling. However, neither of these things means I'm going to ignore what is correct and what isn't simply because of my feelings toward the poster.

    PS: I have no desire to be right but I have every desire to be accurate.
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  • Reply 53 of 108
    65c81665c816 Posts: 136member
    Just a note - it is impossible for an iPad to cannibalize PC/Windows sales.

    The word does not mean what you think it means.

    Eat into - yes
    Cannibalize - no.
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  • Reply 54 of 108
    nikon133 wrote: »
    Sure is.

    So was my Palm Tungsten... any smarphone I ever had (probably some feature phones, too)... Fisher-Price learning-for-kids computers...

    But it is not a PC.

    That being said, these things might replace PCs. Before something else replaces them, in a 10 year time. Just like fax replaced telex, and email is replacing fax.

    Or maybe not.

    We'll see.


    I don't recall us talking about in 10 years time, I recall this being about NOW I'm the present, no one know what will happen in the future, but for right now, the iPad is replacing PCs
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  • Reply 55 of 108

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    This isn't an issue of an obscure use of a term it's a specific statement that is technically inaccurate as stated. I personally like Slurpy. he contributes a lot and he's smart and witty. I certainly don't care for Cash and his trolling. However, neither of these things means I'm going to ignore what is correct and what isn't simply because of my feelings toward the poster.



    PS: I have no desire to be right but I have every desire to be correct.


    I always hate this debate. I find it interesting that we debate over a term that was coined back in 1977. The evolution of technology makes it impossible to classify something under the simple outdated "personal computer" definition. One question I would ask someone if they consider an iOS device to be as productive as an OSX device then why doesn't Apple allocate an education discount? Do we based the definition on hardware of software specs?


     


    The fact that an iOS device can not run a full version of just about any "personal computer" software eliminate it from the category of personal computer? I would say no but it clearly puts these devices in a different category. For as much as I use a scientific calculator that would be considered more of a personal computer to me than my iPad.


     


    This is nothing but a feel good topic for some because the term personal computer has no value in 2013.

     

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  • Reply 56 of 108
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    One question I would ask someone if they consider an iOS device to be as productive as an OSX device then why doesn't Apple allocate an education discount? Do we based the definition on hardware of software specs?

    That's an interesting question and I'm sure that large purchases can be bulk discounts but why can't an individual educator or educatee get an Education Discount. I would guess that when it comes to the iPad, the only one I'd consider relevant to such a discount, that it's still very new. It was less than 3 years ago the first one hit the shelves.

    Another reason might be the already competitive pricing of the iPad as well as the low starting price. If you look at it's popularity and growth it certainly doesn't appear to warrant any such discount. Perhaps if they see a shift in unit sales that start to favour Android or Windows they will offer one as a way to boost their position but so far I don't see that is being necessary.

    One last reason off the top of my head might be that Apple doesn't like the idea of a discount. Once you go that route it's hard to ever go back from it.

    I do see the iPad as starting off as a niche product and in many ways it still is. It's a very specialized personal computer that does what it's designed to do brilliantly but at the same time it's so popular that it's outselling any other Win OEM. Like the original PC and original Mac being specialized can we still say that less than 3 years after it's debut that the iPad is still a niche product? Maybe, but it's certainly not attracting a niche market.
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  • Reply 57 of 108
    With all the latest shortcomings and crashes of mountain lion I couldn't agree more...
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  • Reply 58 of 108
    solipsismx wrote: »
    You're insufferable. The context is all there. Are there more installations of OS X than there are Macs? Yes. That is what is what said and that is what was countered.
    Since people run versions of windows on their Macs, one could say their are more versions of Windows than devices as well.

    In the end, that proves little one way or the other. There are still X devices sold and Y units of software sold.
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  • Reply 59 of 108


    Originally Posted by xenon8000 View Post

    With all the latest shortcomings and crashes of mountain lion I couldn't agree more...


     


    Couldn't agree with what more? What shortcomings? What crashes?

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  • Reply 60 of 108
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    a_greer wrote: »
    The iPad is representative of a new category. PCs are mature. Many corperations keep PCs for 3-4 years, but because the ipad is so new, and since Apple holds back key features and trickles them out one at a time, people tend to buy new every year, or two at most - I dont know anyone still using an iPad 1, but I know lots of people happily and productively using PCs from that era or before.

    Get outta here. You're saying that Apple held back on retina screens for iPad 1 and 2? And the mini?

    You haven't figured out that it couldn't be done till they did it? I'll be very plain with you. You are wrong.

    I'm typing this on my iPad 1, which I've had since the first day it was out, and which I use for hours every day, seven days a week. Without charging until evening. I'll buy a new one when it wears out. You are wrong about that too.
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