I wonder if the Samsung Galaxy S III mini is included in that figure.
It wouldn't be, and it's irrelevant anyway...the SIII 'mini' is not available in North America. T-Mobile is possibly going to carry some varient of it eventually.
If accurate, no matter how you feel about Samsung or their tactics this is an impressive achievement. They did have a few extra months but they also have to compete with all Android-based devices, including their own Samsung devices. I have no idea if their cost in marketing is worth their investment but it clearly shows that marketing works.
It also shows us that Android users do use their their phones in much the same way as iPhone owners… when they have decent Android phone to use, which means we can deduce that the vast number of Android phones are simply not being used like they smartphones in the US.
I wonder if the Samsung Galaxy S II mini is included in that figure.
It's kind of easy when over 3 months of sales were when Apple didn't have the iPhone 5. Plus, they were giving better margins, sales spiffs and spending a lot of money in advertising. If Apple had announced the iPhone 5 at the same time, I don't know if they would had the same amount of sales at full price.
Slightly off topic. I was in the process of updating my 2 handsets to iPhone 5s and was asked by the telco guy in India whether I would consider a Samsung S3. I replied that I considered this an insult (in jest of course), we both had a laugh. I guess he looked over my history and realised that all my phones were iPhones, and quickly made his apologies.
I guess some people have high standards.
I can afford expensive clothes and drive a Mercedes, why should I even consider plastic fantastic garbage in the way of phones?
I am so grateful that there are companies like Apple out there who believe in quality, just like me.
and people wonder why non apple users see apple users as douche bags. seriously?
He's got a good point Soli. You [SIZE=14px]know[/SIZE] that leftover 38% isn't all made up of Windows and BB smartphones with their tiny share of the smartphone market. You don't even have to look that one up. Common sense says a big part, if not the majority, would be Android from others besides Samsung.
1) I seem to recall MS and BB making up about 10% of the market by themselves so you can't just say that anything that is other goes to Android.
2) That still doesn't change the fact that Apple's iPhone sales pale in comparison to the numbers Google execs say they "activate" per day and your long standing defense that no matter what clever or ambiguous words they use that it only ever means one device regardless of how many times the OS is installed or passed on to different users. The numbers simply don't show that the average Android device is used the same was the average iOS device. This is the first time we've seen anything that shows comparable usage which clearly shows that only a flagship Android device has a normal smartphone usage pattern.
It wouldn't be, and it's irrelevant anyway...the SIII 'mini' is not available in North America. T-Mobile is possibly going to carry some varient of it eventually.
It's absolutely relevant to how I view Chitika as a company.
If accurate, no matter how you feel about Samsung or their tactics this is an impressive achievement. They did have a few extra months but they also have to compete with all Android-based devices, including their own Samsung devices. I have no idea if their cost in marketing is worth their investment but it clearly shows that marketing works.
It also shows us that Android users do use their their phones in much the same way as iPhone owners… when they have decent Android phone to use, which means we can deduce that the vast number of Android phones are simply not being used like they smartphones in the US.
I wonder if the Samsung Galaxy S II mini is included in that figure.
In light of this data, I don't understand the other articles I've seen on this site showing Android at a significantly lower share of web usage than iOS.
As with all the other 'web usage' reports, this is largely meaningless. The only thing it tells you is what percentage of people accessing Chikita's web site or advertising partners use each platform. Unless that platform is representative of the entire continent, the results don't tell you anything.
And I suspect that there's a major bias right from the start. Apple has its own ad network - iAds - which only works on iOS devices. So some iOS devices go to iAds rather than Chikita partners meaning that the data underrepresents iOS users.
For Android, it could underreprepesent or overrepresent usage - depending on whether Android users are more likely or less likely to see ads from Chikita partners than users as a whole.
1) I seem to recall MS and BB making up about 10% of the market by themselves so you can't just say that anything that is other goes to Android.
2) That still doesn't change the fact that Apple's iPhone sales pale in comparison to the numbers Google execs say they "activate" per day and your long standing defense that no matter what clever or ambiguous words they use that it only ever means one device regardless of how many times the OS is installed or passed on to different users. The numbers simply don't show that the average Android device is used the same was the average iOS device. This is the first time we've seen anything that shows comparable usage which clearly shows that only a flagship Android device has a normal smartphone usage pattern.
1. I didn't. I'm guessing that a large part and perhaps even most of that other 38% is Android, but not all of it. (Your Jedi mind tricks don't work here. LOL)
2. What "numbers" are you referring to? I don't recall anyone at Google ever breaking down device activations by continent so how are you using data based on the US to conclude worldwide activation numbers reported by Google can't be accurate? And what "numbers" are showing Android smartphones aren't used to access the web the same as iPhones? Perhaps old articles/data from early 2012 and back, when by all accounts there were still more iOS devices than Android?
and people wonder why non apple users see apple users as douche bags. seriously?
1. A mark of intelligence is the ability to make distinctions.
2. A douche-bag is someone who purchases an Android/Symbian/Windows phone, and then rushes to AI to announce it; with special emphasis on the product's technical superiority, superlative performance, and the stratospheric quality of the decision-making exercised.
If accurate, no matter how you feel about Samsung or their tactics this is an impressive achievement. They did have a few extra months but they also have to compete with all Android-based devices, including their own Samsung devices. I have no idea if their cost in marketing is worth their investment but it clearly shows that marketing works.
It also shows us that Android users do use their their phones in much the same way as iPhone owners… when they have decent Android phone to use, which means we can deduce that the vast number of Android phones are simply not being used like they smartphones in the US.
I wonder if the Samsung Galaxy S II mini is included in that figure.
Indeed. Kudos to you for not just accepting but also honestly discussing the competitive landscape as it is.
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What I find impressive is that the Galaxy S3 has been around for 8 months or so, been given away as part of numerous promotions and BOGOs and such, and the iPhone 5 has already equaled their web use despite not being given away.
Sure you can say that. You can refuse to accept a war is on when the enemy is pillaging your villages. Or you can admit it's on when they are marching closer and closer.
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In light of this data, I don't understand the other articles I've seen on this site showing Android at a significantly lower share of web usage than iOS.
As with all the other 'web usage' reports, this is largely meaningless. The only thing it tells you is what percentage of people accessing Chikita's web site or advertising partners use each platform. Unless that platform is representative of the entire continent, the results don't tell you anything.
And I suspect that there's a major bias right from the start. Apple has its own ad network - iAds - which only works on iOS devices. So some iOS devices go to iAds rather than Chikita partners meaning that the data underrepresents iOS users.
For Android, it could underreprepesent or overrepresent usage - depending on whether Android users are more likely or less likely to see ads from Chikita partners than users as a whole.
Correct me if I'm wrong (I readily admit I have been in the past) but one receives ads from iAds within apps and not while web browsing through Safari.
1) I seem to recall MS and BB making up about 10% of the market by themselves so you can't just say that anything that is other goes to Android.
I wasn't implying that it all goes to Android but surely even you don't believe that 10% of the market does 38% of the browsing especially since browsing with a BB is so horrible.
Market share by *users* in North America: Android: 53.4% Apple: 36.3%
Web Usage: Samsung+Other: 58.4% Apple: 41.5%
So......
Web usage lines up pretty much with what phones people are using.
zzzzzzzzzzz
Yes, throw out 10-15% or so from 'other' for the 3 people in North America still using BB or WP.
The only thing surprising about this article is that AI chose to post it since it doesn't skew perception to support the consensus by many here that Apple users are super-adept-web-deviant-gurus and superior-human-beings-in-general while Android users are troglodytes who were all tricked by a bribed salesman into getting their phones for free and have trouble figuring out how to turn them on. You really need to add the tablet data back in if you want to support that perception, AI is slipping. =p
In light of this data, I don't understand the other articles I've seen on this site showing Android at a significantly lower share of web usage than iOS.
It's difficult to take any metrics at face value, especially if the traffic they are measuring is weighted in ways that are not being revealed.
Correct me if I'm wrong (I readily admit I have been in the past) but one receives ads from iAds within apps and not while web browsing through Safari.
That may or may not be true, but it doesn't change the issue I brought up. Unless they can provide evidence that their sample is representative of the population as a whole it is meaningless. There are all sorts of reasons why the results might be biased - I only gave one of them.
One certainly must have a thick skin to post on his forum. There are basically two types of people, those that can appreciate beauty, the effort taken in design and engineering and then there are the others who simply cannot comprehend this. Techstalker which one are you?
I guess what I hold in my hand is a figment of my mind (according to the stats). But I did use if over the hospital's wi-fi to pay some bills, etc. In fact, it served its' purpose enough to give the wife the iPad 4 and buy me a 32G NX10. I'll keep the laptop handy for Turbo Tax and such, but I'll use the Nexus to read the morning papers and such.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I wonder if the Samsung Galaxy S III mini is included in that figure.
It wouldn't be, and it's irrelevant anyway...the SIII 'mini' is not available in North America. T-Mobile is possibly going to carry some varient of it eventually.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
If accurate, no matter how you feel about Samsung or their tactics this is an impressive achievement. They did have a few extra months but they also have to compete with all Android-based devices, including their own Samsung devices. I have no idea if their cost in marketing is worth their investment but it clearly shows that marketing works.
It also shows us that Android users do use their their phones in much the same way as iPhone owners… when they have decent Android phone to use, which means we can deduce that the vast number of Android phones are simply not being used like they smartphones in the US.
I wonder if the Samsung Galaxy S II mini is included in that figure.
It's kind of easy when over 3 months of sales were when Apple didn't have the iPhone 5. Plus, they were giving better margins, sales spiffs and spending a lot of money in advertising. If Apple had announced the iPhone 5 at the same time, I don't know if they would had the same amount of sales at full price.
and people wonder why non apple users see apple users as douche bags. seriously?
1) I seem to recall MS and BB making up about 10% of the market by themselves so you can't just say that anything that is other goes to Android.
2) That still doesn't change the fact that Apple's iPhone sales pale in comparison to the numbers Google execs say they "activate" per day and your long standing defense that no matter what clever or ambiguous words they use that it only ever means one device regardless of how many times the OS is installed or passed on to different users. The numbers simply don't show that the average Android device is used the same was the average iOS device. This is the first time we've seen anything that shows comparable usage which clearly shows that only a flagship Android device has a normal smartphone usage pattern.
It's absolutely relevant to how I view Chitika as a company.
These data would be much more interesting if we knew the numbers of SIIIs and IP5s in circulation.
As with all the other 'web usage' reports, this is largely meaningless. The only thing it tells you is what percentage of people accessing Chikita's web site or advertising partners use each platform. Unless that platform is representative of the entire continent, the results don't tell you anything.
And I suspect that there's a major bias right from the start. Apple has its own ad network - iAds - which only works on iOS devices. So some iOS devices go to iAds rather than Chikita partners meaning that the data underrepresents iOS users.
For Android, it could underreprepesent or overrepresent usage - depending on whether Android users are more likely or less likely to see ads from Chikita partners than users as a whole.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
1) I seem to recall MS and BB making up about 10% of the market by themselves so you can't just say that anything that is other goes to Android.
2) That still doesn't change the fact that Apple's iPhone sales pale in comparison to the numbers Google execs say they "activate" per day and your long standing defense that no matter what clever or ambiguous words they use that it only ever means one device regardless of how many times the OS is installed or passed on to different users. The numbers simply don't show that the average Android device is used the same was the average iOS device. This is the first time we've seen anything that shows comparable usage which clearly shows that only a flagship Android device has a normal smartphone usage pattern.
1. I didn't. I'm guessing that a large part and perhaps even most of that other 38% is Android, but not all of it. (Your Jedi mind tricks don't work here. LOL)
2. What "numbers" are you referring to? I don't recall anyone at Google ever breaking down device activations by continent so how are you using data based on the US to conclude worldwide activation numbers reported by Google can't be accurate? And what "numbers" are showing Android smartphones aren't used to access the web the same as iPhones? Perhaps old articles/data from early 2012 and back, when by all accounts there were still more iOS devices than Android?
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Originally Posted by Techstalker
and people wonder why non apple users see apple users as douche bags. seriously?
1. A mark of intelligence is the ability to make distinctions.
2. A douche-bag is someone who purchases an Android/Symbian/Windows phone, and then rushes to AI to announce it; with special emphasis on the product's technical superiority, superlative performance, and the stratospheric quality of the decision-making exercised.
Cheers
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
If accurate, no matter how you feel about Samsung or their tactics this is an impressive achievement. They did have a few extra months but they also have to compete with all Android-based devices, including their own Samsung devices. I have no idea if their cost in marketing is worth their investment but it clearly shows that marketing works.
It also shows us that Android users do use their their phones in much the same way as iPhone owners… when they have decent Android phone to use, which means we can deduce that the vast number of Android phones are simply not being used like they smartphones in the US.
I wonder if the Samsung Galaxy S II mini is included in that figure.
Indeed. Kudos to you for not just accepting but also honestly discussing the competitive landscape as it is.
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Originally Posted by iSteelers
What I find impressive is that the Galaxy S3 has been around for 8 months or so, been given away as part of numerous promotions and BOGOs and such, and the iPhone 5 has already equaled their web use despite not being given away.
Sure you can say that. You can refuse to accept a war is on when the enemy is pillaging your villages. Or you can admit it's on when they are marching closer and closer.
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Originally Posted by wakefinance
In light of this data, I don't understand the other articles I've seen on this site showing Android at a significantly lower share of web usage than iOS.
One word - iPad.
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Originally Posted by Techstalker
and people wonder why non apple users see apple users as douche bags. seriously?
Seriously? A majority of non-Apple users wonder about this?
Or perhaps, the general population is more mature than you, and accept that everyone is entitled to their choices without being maligned?
Correct me if I'm wrong (I readily admit I have been in the past) but one receives ads from iAds within apps and not while web browsing through Safari.
I wasn't implying that it all goes to Android but surely even you don't believe that 10% of the market does 38% of the browsing especially since browsing with a BB is so horrible.
Market share by *users* in North America: Android: 53.4% Apple: 36.3%
Web Usage: Samsung+Other: 58.4% Apple: 41.5%
So......
Web usage lines up pretty much with what phones people are using.
zzzzzzzzzzz
Yes, throw out 10-15% or so from 'other' for the 3 people in North America still using BB or WP.
The only thing surprising about this article is that AI chose to post it since it doesn't skew perception to support the consensus by many here that Apple users are super-adept-web-deviant-gurus and superior-human-beings-in-general while Android users are troglodytes who were all tricked by a bribed salesman into getting their phones for free and have trouble figuring out how to turn them on. You really need to add the tablet data back in if you want to support that perception, AI is slipping. =p
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Originally Posted by wakefinance
In light of this data, I don't understand the other articles I've seen on this site showing Android at a significantly lower share of web usage than iOS.
It's difficult to take any metrics at face value, especially if the traffic they are measuring is weighted in ways that are not being revealed.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/01/03/apples-share-of-us-mobile-phone-market-grows-to-185
Apple iPhone continues to dominate (relative to the small overall share) in web usage, however, with 41.5% of "web share."
What do people do with Android phones? Seriously!
They're the other 48.5%, duh. Like I said in a previous thread, maybe they're out having fun, living life, and knocking up broads.
That may or may not be true, but it doesn't change the issue I brought up. Unless they can provide evidence that their sample is representative of the population as a whole it is meaningless. There are all sorts of reasons why the results might be biased - I only gave one of them.
There are basically two types of people, those that can appreciate beauty, the effort taken in design and engineering and then there are the others who simply cannot comprehend this.
Techstalker which one are you?
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What do people do with Android phones? Seriously!
I guess what I hold in my hand is a figment of my mind (according to the stats). But I did use if over the hospital's wi-fi to pay some bills, etc. In fact, it served its' purpose enough to give the wife the iPad 4 and buy me a 32G NX10. I'll keep the laptop handy for Turbo Tax and such, but I'll use the Nexus to read the morning papers and such.