If Apple, and other American companies, pledged to start moving business to other countries China would crack down on this crap pretty fast. Money talks.
-kpluck
That easy? How long did it take Apple to start reducing its use of Samsung, its greatest competitor? Just who can replace Foxconn? And what about access to the largest market in the world?
Money indeed talks but Apple needs to listeners than china.
Dont mind seeing Coca-Cola hacked. The faster they take this multi-conglomerate down the happier I will be, but for Apple and Facebook then all the power to them to take down Unit 61398.
Camouflage a drone as a meteor and make it fall on that building. It was nature's fault! j/k What would these hackers do if there were no flaws to exploit? China wants them busy hacking, not making babies, that's what.
Retaliate? Do u seriously believe most governments are not doing the same thing?
No I do not.
I'm not talking about spying or gathering intel, everybody does that.
I'm talking about governments hacking into all sorts of businesses and companies on a wide scale level, stealing whatever info that they can. No, I do not believe that the US military hacks into hundreds of businesses across the world like a bunch of thieves to steal data. I don't believe that US military specialists are sitting around at the moment trying to hack into Apple or Facebook or any other company.
Now, if we're talking about a virus being placed on something like an Iranian nuke reactor system, that I can definitely believe that the US government would do, and I also think that they should.
Where did that come from? I never claimed Apple was lying. I said IMO it was unlikely that nothing was taken. Even Apple doesn't say that, only that they aren't aware of anything.
The reason for the Chinese hacking was to steal IP and other company data. I doubt it was just to pay a visit to Apple to show it could be done.
As your earlier link points out, the average hack from this group has been a long term affair, effecting its data theft over months or years. Given the high profile nature of the Facebook breach, doesn't it seem possible or likely that companies such as Apple are on the lookout for telltale signs and might have caught this early? Thus giving the hackers little time to implement their standard procedures for siphoning off data?
Curious that when other companies got hacked, it's because they deserved it, their systems have swiss cheese security, their software sucks, etc. But now that Apple got attacked, it's time to fight back against those hackers.
And where are the comments saying Apple doesn't need to fix anything because if people stopped trying to hack them, there would be no problem?
I feel for the plight of the inveterate iCrank, obliged to do battle with the incredibly fanatical Apple users in his head.....
As your earlier link points out, the average hack from this group has been a long term affair, effecting its data theft over months or years. Given the high profile nature of the Facebook breach, doesn't it seem possible or likely that companies such as Apple are on the lookout for telltale signs and might have caught this early? Thus giving the hackers little time to implement their standard procedures for siphoning off data?
Of course it's possible. After reading a couple of news articles and the detailed Mandiant report about Chinese intrusions at other high-profile companies I personally don't think it likely the hacker group failed to get anything of value from Apple. If you feel they couldn't have then yours is just as valid an opinion of course.
EDIT: It completely possible that it was Facebook who notified Apple that they were being hacked and their systems compromised, based on this linked article from Ars.
...and the media will portray this as a malware attack against all Macs.
Seeing how the hackers got in using an exploit that evidentially at least some Macs have, it may as well have been. If other macs weren't vulnerable, I doubt Apple would be pushing this malware tool now, would they?
Great idea. Launch a couple of drones and then send them a message saying "oops. We're terribly sorry, but someone hacked our Defense systems and launched those drones by mistake".
Right. "Sorry, our DoD systems were hacked. First, we thought it was someone named "Joshua" but we later traced it back to China. Sorry. Hope we fixed the vulnerabilities so it doesn't happen to you, er, anyone, again."
Of course it's possible. After reading a couple of news articles and the detailed Mandiant report about Chinese intrusions at other high-profile companies I personally don't think it likely the hacker group failed to get anything of value from Apple. If you feel they couldn't have then yours is just as valid an opinion of course.
Yet, you don't have any evidence that supports your implied assertion that Apple is lying to cover up a data loss. And, as usual in such a case with you, now you've have to backpedal, claim you didn't mean anything, and finally take refuge in the flimsy retort that it's all just 'opinions'.
Right. "Sorry, our DoD systems were hacked. First, we thought it was someone named "Joshua" but we later traced it back to China. Sorry. Hope we fixed the vulnerabilities so it doesn't happen to you, er, anyone, again."
This is strange how little info we have about Facebook vulnerability. I think its time for every IT to start blocking Facebook once for all. Thank you Facebook was good until you got greedy and started to give away your users privacy and security to unsafe third parties.
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That easy? How long did it take Apple to start reducing its use of Samsung, its greatest competitor? Just who can replace Foxconn? And what about access to the largest market in the world?
Money indeed talks but Apple needs to listeners than china.
Heh ....
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Originally Posted by ankleskater
Retaliate? Do u seriously believe most governments are not doing the same thing?
No I do not.
I'm not talking about spying or gathering intel, everybody does that.
I'm talking about governments hacking into all sorts of businesses and companies on a wide scale level, stealing whatever info that they can. No, I do not believe that the US military hacks into hundreds of businesses across the world like a bunch of thieves to steal data. I don't believe that US military specialists are sitting around at the moment trying to hack into Apple or Facebook or any other company.
Now, if we're talking about a virus being placed on something like an Iranian nuke reactor system, that I can definitely believe that the US government would do, and I also think that they should.
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To this no proof claim I have to chuckle. There is always proof.
It was a five year investigation, and they released a 74 page pdf. It seems pretty thorough.
http://intelreport.mandiant.com/Mandiant_APT1_Report.pdf
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Isn't that what we have drones for?
USA should remove all identifiable markings from drone weapons and replace with "Anonymous"!
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
The reason for the Chinese hacking was to steal IP and other company data. I doubt it was just to pay a visit to Apple to show it could be done.
As your earlier link points out, the average hack from this group has been a long term affair, effecting its data theft over months or years. Given the high profile nature of the Facebook breach, doesn't it seem possible or likely that companies such as Apple are on the lookout for telltale signs and might have caught this early? Thus giving the hackers little time to implement their standard procedures for siphoning off data?
Even better - label the parts "made in North Korea", "Made in Iran" and a few other choice countries.
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Originally Posted by Haggar
Curious that when other companies got hacked, it's because they deserved it, their systems have swiss cheese security, their software sucks, etc. But now that Apple got attacked, it's time to fight back against those hackers.
And where are the comments saying Apple doesn't need to fix anything because if people stopped trying to hack them, there would be no problem?
I feel for the plight of the inveterate iCrank, obliged to do battle with the incredibly fanatical Apple users in his head.....
SOT: So...what if I did disable Java on my intel orig. 20" iMac running SL? What would happen?
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Originally Posted by addabox
As your earlier link points out, the average hack from this group has been a long term affair, effecting its data theft over months or years. Given the high profile nature of the Facebook breach, doesn't it seem possible or likely that companies such as Apple are on the lookout for telltale signs and might have caught this early? Thus giving the hackers little time to implement their standard procedures for siphoning off data?
Of course it's possible. After reading a couple of news articles and the detailed Mandiant report about Chinese intrusions at other high-profile companies I personally don't think it likely the hacker group failed to get anything of value from Apple. If you feel they couldn't have then yours is just as valid an opinion of course.
EDIT: It completely possible that it was Facebook who notified Apple that they were being hacked and their systems compromised, based on this linked article from Ars.
http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/02/facebook-computers-compromised-by-zero-day-java-exploit/
Seeing how the hackers got in using an exploit that evidentially at least some Macs have, it may as well have been. If other macs weren't vulnerable, I doubt Apple would be pushing this malware tool now, would they?
Originally Posted by Cash907
If other macs weren't vulnerable, I doubt Apple would be pushing this malware tool now, would they?
They used Java. No, intelligent people aren't vulnerable. Apple pushes this because they have to.
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They used Java. No, intelligent people aren't vulnerable. Apple pushes this because they have to.
Really? "intelligent people aren't vulnerable" you say? Please explain....
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Great idea. Launch a couple of drones and then send them a message saying "oops. We're terribly sorry, but someone hacked our Defense systems and launched those drones by mistake".
Right. "Sorry, our DoD systems were hacked. First, we thought it was someone named "Joshua" but we later traced it back to China. Sorry. Hope we fixed the vulnerabilities so it doesn't happen to you, er, anyone, again."
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Of course it's possible. After reading a couple of news articles and the detailed Mandiant report about Chinese intrusions at other high-profile companies I personally don't think it likely the hacker group failed to get anything of value from Apple. If you feel they couldn't have then yours is just as valid an opinion of course.
Yet, you don't have any evidence that supports your implied assertion that Apple is lying to cover up a data loss. And, as usual in such a case with you, now you've have to backpedal, claim you didn't mean anything, and finally take refuge in the flimsy retort that it's all just 'opinions'.
A poor showing even from you.
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Originally Posted by starbird73
Right. "Sorry, our DoD systems were hacked. First, we thought it was someone named "Joshua" but we later traced it back to China. Sorry. Hope we fixed the vulnerabilities so it doesn't happen to you, er, anyone, again."
So it was a self solving problem after all!
This is strange how little info we have about Facebook vulnerability. I think its time for every IT to start blocking Facebook once for all. Thank you Facebook was good until you got greedy and started to give away your users privacy and security to unsafe third parties.