Editorial: Apple's iOS is the new Windows

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  • Reply 201 of 225
    palegolaspalegolas Posts: 1,334member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Crosslad View Post





    I agree iWork for iPad could be better, but as the owner if both an iPad and an android tablet, I can honestly say that nothing on android comes even close to iWork.


    I  think Pages for iPad is the best of the three, and a pretty good one. I've written a couple of things from scratch to finish in iOS (like 40-50 pages scripts and stuff) and I like it. There is something "magical" about holding the document in your hand as you work through it.


    Keynote I guess is pretty decent but suffering from the iOS way of handling media in general to make the work flow fluent I think.


    I've tried to get used to Numbers for iOS many times, but I think it's a bit tricky to get around in the tablet version. Most things get increasingly time consuming. Numbers is something that would be great to have access to in a Phone - but it's too small to make truly useful. I use it to fill out some forms that I created on the Mac version. Creating a document from scratch on iOS Numbers is a pretty bad experience.

  • Reply 202 of 225
    a_greera_greer Posts: 4,594member

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    Originally Posted by palegolas View Post


    The big question is.. if Apple is the new mainstream - who is the new punk?



    Windows phone...Not MS as a whole, just the phone part...stick with me...


     


    the punk mindset comes from the days when the apple thing was like 2-6% f whatever market they were in (workstation, desktop, laptop whatever)  and they were willing and able to take snarky cheap shots at any and all competitors (for example the Intel snail video  (Pentium 2 vs G3 ))  


     


    I see a lot of the same sort of thing in the phone platform division at MS, I say this as a happy Windows phone user...


     


    Here is what I am talking about - the new windows phone ad - AutoCorrect This! 


     


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  • Reply 203 of 225
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,250member
    macrulez wrote: »
    Why don't you tell us what the global share is if you take out China (since Apple is not on China Mobile), India (where Apple is just getting started)...
    Why stop the data selection there?  I'll bet you could find an even more favorable representation if you further limit the data to just Cupertino. ;)

    Don't trivialize by comparing two markets with 2+ billion potential customers to 'Cupertino.' You'll simply end up sounding foolish.

    Educate yourself: http://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/13/05/06/apples_strict_conditions_keep_it_from_offering_iphone_to_28_billion_customers.html
  • Reply 204 of 225
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member

    Why does iPhone need to be in the URL of that link about the Galaxy S4 overheating?
  • Reply 205 of 225
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member


    Originally Posted by enature View Post

    …try interacting with or typing on a narrow iPhone screen, rely on unreliable iCloud, or be nearly forced to use Apple Maps.


     


    You mean the narrow iPhone screen that Steve Jobs released?


     


    You mean the maps system that Steve Jobs okayed?


     


    Maybe think about things.

  • Reply 206 of 225
    macrulezmacrulez Posts: 2,455member


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  • Reply 207 of 225
    suddenly newtonsuddenly newton Posts: 13,803member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post




     



     


    Ah yes. This prototype is known by Fandroids as The NeverWas™. It is only acknowledged in hushed tones and in silent glances between Google executives.

  • Reply 208 of 225
    Apple was able to maintain a loyal following not so much because they were willing to pay more but because there was a solid business case for Apple. Advertising, graphics and video professionals found immediate utility in Apple's early adoption of hi-rez, accurate colorspace graphics, WSIWYG, PostScript printing and professional fonts (Windows still doesn't get fonts). This meant that they were an indispensable tool to a well funded industry. And it didn't hurt that Apple also had superior interface and product design aesthetics. Windows was not a workable option until about 2002 and is still inferior in many aspects.
  • Reply 209 of 225
    paul94544paul94544 Posts: 1,027member


    I Agree DED is the new troll killer. removes 99% of all known trolls/haters and assorted garbage

  • Reply 210 of 225

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    Originally Posted by duckpond49 View Post



    Apple was able to maintain a loyal following not so much because they were willing to pay more but because there was a solid business case for Apple. Advertising, graphics and video professionals found immediate utility in Apple's early adoption of hi-rez, accurate colorspace graphics, WSIWYG, PostScript printing and professional fonts (Windows still doesn't get fonts). This meant that they were an indispensable tool to a well funded industry. And it didn't hurt that Apple also had superior interface and product design aesthetics. Windows was not a workable option until about 2002 and is still inferior in many aspects.


     


    One of the more amusing ironies generated by the above reality can be seen in bookshops and stationers all around the world, where rack upon rack of colourful PC enthusiast and professional magazines are on display, each and every one of them laid out, styled and published using Apple Macs, from glossy cover to glossy cover, and from little advert to large sales campaign.


     


    Ditto for browsing the Web, watching TV/DVD or catching a movie at the cinema, where all the big-budget advertising for the likes of Dell, HP, Microsoft, Oracle and Sony etc were all Apple Mac composed, edited and produced (and mostly still are).

  • Reply 211 of 225
    paul94544paul94544 Posts: 1,027member


    happy Windows phone user


     


    surely an oxymoron


    you must be the only one and I bet you are still happy using DOS


     


    like Microsoft Works


     


    thanks for the giggle

  • Reply 212 of 225
    paul94544paul94544 Posts: 1,027member


    The other irony is most of those glossy magazines featured articles and "fix it" tips on how to fix problems with windows. Even now the Windows 7/8 mags are full of ways to make windows do what you want . The inference is and always will be (though its never  explicitly said) Windows is full of bugs, continually crashes is hard to use and will be "fixed" in the next release. Even now, we are told the start buttonis coming back in 8.1.


     


    Just this morning, my Enterprise version of Windows 7 crashed Internet explorer and hitting ctl-alt-delete to bring up the task manager to force close IE and btw that didn't work so I had to close every other running app and do a logoff to close the non-responding IE. This happens to me several times a month with MS Word/IE/Outlook. Its better than XP - at least I don't get blue screen of death anymore, but its still a very poorly implemented OS imho. Microsoft is going to get everything it deserves once reliable alternatives appear. We got sold a bill of goods with Windows. I for one cannot wait for Windows demise

  • Reply 213 of 225
    paul94544paul94544 Posts: 1,027member


    Guess what - there never was a punk, you got suckered into thinking there is a war going on, these guys are all working together. They call it marketing. Heck Samsung still sells lots of hardware to Apple. They are not stupid

  • Reply 214 of 225
    enatureenature Posts: 77member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


     


    You mean the narrow iPhone screen that Steve Jobs released?


     


    You mean the maps system that Steve Jobs okayed?


     


    Maybe think about things.



    It seems you really don't get it. The narrow iPhone screen was not a problem, but an advantage in 2007... heck it, even in early 2011, it was OK. But starting 2012 it has been a disaster in the making. The reason is simple: for most smartphone tasks nowadays - wider screens are easier to use than narrow screens.


    The same applies for other things... unreliable syncing was forgivable a couple years back - Not anymore. The standards have been raised by Dropbox but Tim Cook failed to address the unreliability of iCloud. 

  • Reply 215 of 225
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member


    Originally Posted by enature View Post

    It seems you really don't get it. The narrow iPhone screen was not a problem, but an advantage in 2007... heck it, even in early 2011, it was OK. But starting 2012 it has been a disaster in the making.


     


    Wow, you're right! Magically picking an arbitrary date and saying "it's not okay anymore" really DOES work when you… magically pick an arbitrary date and say that. image






    The reason is simple: for most smartphone tasks nowadays - wider screens are easier to use than narrow screens.



     


    lol, landscape mode.







    …unreliable syncing was forgivable a couple years back - Not anymore.




     


    Good thing iCloud isn't unreliable, huh?

  • Reply 216 of 225
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,678member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Not much a cause for concern as long as the sales of iPads continue to rise.

    Sales of blackberrys continued to rise as their market share tanked. Then share and unit sales tanked.

    gazoobee wrote: »
    I guess others have already pointed it out but this is just the biggest pile of horse shit I've read in a long time.  Almost everything you say is wrong.  

    In the first place, iOS *isn't* actually "losing market share," the reports that say so are based only on channel shipments which are not even close to the same thing as saying that a product has "X% share of the market."  The market consists of more than just your channel partners.  iOS is *gaining* (true) market share on Android almost daily.  More people use it than Android and it's pretty much *always* been that way so far.  More people buy iPhones than any other phone in the market.  It's the market leader in fact with all three models (5, 4, 4s), both selling more, and being more popular than all the other devices on the market.  

    Secondly, the market share loss (if it were actually happening), is not at all "inevitable" because Apple doesn't licence it's OS.  A licensed OS had no inherent superiority over a non-licensed one.  

    Finally, as a long-time Mac user I can tell you that the fact that OS X didn't always have the huge market share it does now, did not in any real way affect my enjoyment and use of the platform all these years.  There was a brief period in the dark days before Steve Jobs returned where some software wasn't made available for the platform, but we are talking maybe six months out of the entire lifespan of Apple.  All the standard apps that we use now were available for mac almost all along and now that the Mac has a HUGE market share and everyone is using it, there are no apps that have become available (at least not any that I use or have heard about), that weren't there before.  

    Basically, you are just taking this wild (and easily disproven) account of Android market share rising and beating out iOS, and weaving it into a private fantasy for yourself where Apple's iOS market share shrinks to a small fraction ("10%"), of the market.  You just don't want to admit that you read that report wrong.  

    Android dominance over iOS isn't going to happen, it isn't happening now and it won't happen in the future.  There are absolutely no indicators that iOS is slipping in popularity.  There is nothing to indicate that it's (true) market share is going down, in fact all indicators are that it's going up.  Something north of 90% of the tablet computers in use out there are iPads.  The three most popular phones on the planet are all iPhones.  

    Get used to it. 

    This is delusional nonsense. As someone who had previews of OS X (PR2) on my candy coloured iMac I can assure you the only people writing software for OS X on release were Apple, Microsoft, Adobe and a place called stone design. And only the latter and Apple used Objective C. MS were avoiding monopoly laws and Jobs bullied Adobe. Games were after thoughts and buggy - and still are late.

    I don't want that to happen to iOS and it doesn't have to. Apple need to go after all markets.
  • Reply 217 of 225
    suddenly newtonsuddenly newton Posts: 13,803member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ClemyNX View Post




    Agree to everything you said.


    The best way for them to keep a dominant position is the same as always, keep making good products. All other rules aren't important.


    Market share isn't important either.



     


    This is actually why I think Apple should make the Mac as attractive to "pros" (creative and office drones), because I don't think (as some here do) that Apple will merge the Mac and iOS. Here's why:


     


    The trend in computing these days is device specialization. It's been going on for at least a decade. The Xbox, which some trolls on these forums like to hold up as the shining example of Microsoft Isn't a Failure, is a perfect example of this trend. Look at what an Xbox is: a closed platform, purposefully limited to consuming media, walled garden, tightly-licensed ecosystem, and it's undisputedly popular (sound familiar?). None of these trolls demands that Microsoft "open" the Xbox up so that people can surf the web or write code on the Xbox. You can't even plug in a keyboard and mouse like you can on the PS3.


     


    Or consider the iPod (classic), which was always just a great portable music player. It also doesn't do anything outside of its intended purpose, and yet it sold extremely well. Or consider the e-Ink-based Kindles, which is narrowly purposed for being an electronic book. Sure my e-Ink Kindle can (sorta) surf the web and (sorta) play MP3s, but it's not best suited for that. But neither do I try to read a book on my iPod or Xbox.


     


    See where I'm going with this? Now we get to the tablet. And there's a difference of opinion between Apple's and Microsoft's visions.


    Apple sees tablets as another specialized device for people who would (otherwise use their PC) for web surfing, communication, and media consumption, maybe connecting to a TV or camera. Maybe games, maybe some "light" productivity/creative stuff. There are people who dismiss such limitations in tablets, but I think Apple is on to something. For a lot of consumers, this is 90% or even 100% of what they use a computer for, but Apple does it with a better-than-PC level of friction-free convenience (one-click online app and media store, walled garden, media loading, and cloud services that rival Xbox Live). That's what Jobs called "post PC". It's the Xbox formula applied to tablets.


     


    Consequently, this means if the Mac will continue as a distinct platform, it should pursue being the best content creation platform. Everything from media encoding, video editing, photo and image processing, 3D rendering, music creation, DVD authoring, word processing, and coding. This means catering to the Pro market even more. Apple is pursuing a differentiation strategy, while Microsoft's Windows 8 and Surface are pursing an opposing convergence strategy. I think Apple is reading the market correctly. Microsoft may eventually wake up one day and realize that putting a tablet-centric UI on a dual monitor desktop PC without a touchscreen only served to weaken the platform.

  • Reply 218 of 225
    eldernormeldernorm Posts: 232member
    Daniel, still a man of incite, clarity, and talented with the written word. Keep up the great work. Sadly, in this time and place, we tend to punish those who see things clearly.

    en
  • Reply 219 of 225
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,882member
    macrulez wrote: »
    Here's all the education the outside world needs on this:

    <img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="24608" data-type="61" height="309" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/24608/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL" style="; width: 500px; height: 309px;" width="500">

    See also:

    <h1>Android Now Ahead Of Apple's iOS In Tablet Market Share</h1>


    <h1 class="headline" id="user_yui_3_8_1_1_1367851347987_802">Android’s market share lead over iOS explodes to eight points in the U.S.</h1>


    But don't let that dissuade you.  Please keep slicing and dicing until you find the numbers you prefer.  We enjoy that from your posts; it's part of your charm.

    Hey that's awesome for android. Why don't any of those vendors announce actual numbers like Apple does? Probably because these surveys over estimate shipments.
    asdasd wrote: »
    Sales of blackberrys continued to rise as their market share tanked. Then share and unit sales tanked.
    This is delusional nonsense. As someone who had previews of OS X (PR2) on my candy coloured iMac I can assure you the only people writing software for OS X on release were Apple, Microsoft, Adobe and a place called stone design. And only the latter and Apple used Objective C. MS were avoiding monopoly laws and Jobs bullied Adobe. Games were after thoughts and buggy - and still are late.

    I don't want that to happen to iOS and it doesn't have to. Apple need to go after all markets.

    No it doesn't. It doesn't go after all the markets in PCs. It should go for profitable markets. Let the android vendors have razor thin margins.
  • Reply 220 of 225
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,882member
    Dupe post.
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