It would be if that were the case, but really it's more like we're having a pool party, you weren't invited, and when you break and enter into our backyard you have the gall to act like you have anything remotely close to the right to be here.
Okay, first, get the hell over yourself. This is not some exclusive club and you're not some kind of special cognoscenti. It's a public forum that exists to expose advertising.
Second, I didn't write anything that indicted Apple. In fact, I was SUPPORTIVE of Apple's actions. Honestly, you guys are getting so bloody knee-jerk defensive that ANY comment that isn't effusive praise is viewed as condemnation. Lighten UP!
In any event, this one incident is not the same as v5v implying that such legal envelope-pushing was Apple's MO. Which is what I was responding to.
See? No reading comprehension whatsoever. Go back and read what I wrote again. I said Apple tries to negotiate deals that are well outside generally accepted boundaries, like for example, asking the music industry for a streaming rate that's half the lowest current rate, or changing the way books are traditionally sold. I also clearly stated that it's (obviously) what Apple SHOULD do. There was no value judgement whatsoever, neither positive nor negative. Purely observational. The only way you could get your nose out of joint is if you hit it with a fanboy apologist knee-jerk.
It's pointless to get into what constitutes "tends to" because no matter how many examples I cite, you'll just do what you did last time: ignore the specifics I cited and restate your original objection as if I'd never replied.
Private forum. You don't like it, you either leave or are made to leave. The analogy holds.
Whatever. It's here to sell ad space. Your being here sooner doesn't make you better, smarter or "righter." Or for that matter, even consistent. Sometimes your responses to me are agreeable and pleasant, then the moment you think I've been critical of Apple (even if I actually haven't) you circle the wagons and do that hand-waving, "Oh, it's just v5v" thing again. Insulting strangers on the internet from a position of anonymity is hardly what one expects from those presuming a position of superiority.
See? No reading comprehension whatsoever. Go back and read what I wrote again. I said Apple tries to negotiate deals that are well outside generally accepted boundaries, like for example, asking the music industry for a streaming rate that's half the lowest current rate, or changing the way books are traditionally sold. I also clearly stated that it's (obviously) what Apple SHOULD do. There was no value judgement whatsoever, neither positive nor negative. Purely observational. The only way you could get your nose out of joint is if you hit it with a fanboy apologist knee-jerk.
It's pointless to get into what constitutes "tends to" because no matter how many examples I cite, you'll just do what you did last time: ignore the specifics I cited and restate your original objection as if I'd never replied.
Every person or company on earth tries to negotiate deals that are favourable to their own interests, some do it better than others, that's just the way things are.
encyclopaedias were sold using an agency model, dating back at least a hundred years, "traditional" enough for you?
Whatever. It's here to sell ad space. Your being here sooner doesn't make you better, smarter or "righter." Or for that matter, even consistent. Sometimes your responses to me are agreeable and pleasant, then the moment you think I've been critical of Apple (even if I actually haven't) you circle the wagons and do that hand-waving, "Oh, it's just v5v" thing again. Insulting strangers on the internet from a position of anonymity is hardly what one expects from those presuming a position of superiority.
It's a losing battle dude, you're up against the force of irrational blind devotion. TS thinks he was "invited" here for some greater purpose.
I've blocked him, for my own sanity, I suggest you do the same. Outside of TS, and a couple like him, this can be a good forum.
I'll just never understand why Apple didn't become a carrier when it had the chance (screw their damn internet cloud server farms). They could have "owned" that 2008 wireless spectrum auction, if they had wanted to. Man... I'd have signed up for "Apple Mobile" in a nano second.
I think that's because it's impossible to create a network that lives up to their high standards. Just like haven't created a search engine. To be fair to Google, they have to work with what's available, meaning their results would be way better if all sites where based on a database template. Instead Google uses PageRank, most pointers to a website gets higher up in the search results list, which isn't the way to go, to me, but I digress.
I'll just never understand why Apple didn't become a carrier when it had the chance (screw their damn internet cloud server farms).
"Early on, both sides determined it would be a bad idea for Apple to offer its own cellphone service, leasing access to Cingular's network.
"Even though Virgin Mobile USA and other startup cellphone operators were using that method with some success, Mr. Jobs was cautious. He viewed the cellphone business as an unforgiving one, where carriers are blamed for network problems and overwhelmed by customer complaints.
"Instead, he wanted to focus on building a good handset."
- "How Steve Jobs Played Hardball In iPhone Birth", Wall Street Journal, Feb 17, 2007
crowley, and others, understand that largest troll has some serious personality problems, he gets a kick out of being obnoxious, hiding behind the safety of internet anonymity, it's best to just ignore him
i'm sure he'll post some pithy response to make himself feel good, that's how he is, he can't resist it, but as i never read responses to anything i post here he'll just be ranting impotently, as usual
I really don't wanna get into a debate, but I wasn't changing the subject to claim victory. I was responding specifically to what you wrote:
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
It would be if that were the case, but really it's more like we're having a pool party, you weren't invited, and when you break and enter into our backyard you have the gall to act like you have anything remotely close to the right to be here.
My response is that being here sooner doesn't bestow you with special privilege or status. My opinion matters as much as anyone's, including yours. You made a statement, I countered it. No scarecrows anywhere.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
It would be if that were the case, but really it's more like we're having a pool party, you weren't invited, and when you break and enter into our backyard you have the gall to act like you have anything remotely close to the right to be here.
Okay, first, get the hell over yourself. This is not some exclusive club and you're not some kind of special cognoscenti. It's a public forum that exists to expose advertising.
Second, I didn't write anything that indicted Apple. In fact, I was SUPPORTIVE of Apple's actions. Honestly, you guys are getting so bloody knee-jerk defensive that ANY comment that isn't effusive praise is viewed as condemnation. Lighten UP!
Yeesh.
Originally Posted by v5v
This is not some exclusive club…
Private forum. You don't like it, you either leave or are made to leave. The analogy holds.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
In any event, this one incident is not the same as v5v implying that such legal envelope-pushing was Apple's MO. Which is what I was responding to.
See? No reading comprehension whatsoever. Go back and read what I wrote again. I said Apple tries to negotiate deals that are well outside generally accepted boundaries, like for example, asking the music industry for a streaming rate that's half the lowest current rate, or changing the way books are traditionally sold. I also clearly stated that it's (obviously) what Apple SHOULD do. There was no value judgement whatsoever, neither positive nor negative. Purely observational. The only way you could get your nose out of joint is if you hit it with a fanboy apologist knee-jerk.
It's pointless to get into what constitutes "tends to" because no matter how many examples I cite, you'll just do what you did last time: ignore the specifics I cited and restate your original objection as if I'd never replied.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Private forum. You don't like it, you either leave or are made to leave. The analogy holds.
Whatever. It's here to sell ad space. Your being here sooner doesn't make you better, smarter or "righter." Or for that matter, even consistent. Sometimes your responses to me are agreeable and pleasant, then the moment you think I've been critical of Apple (even if I actually haven't) you circle the wagons and do that hand-waving, "Oh, it's just v5v" thing again. Insulting strangers on the internet from a position of anonymity is hardly what one expects from those presuming a position of superiority.
Every person or company on earth tries to negotiate deals that are favourable to their own interests, some do it better than others, that's just the way things are.
encyclopaedias were sold using an agency model, dating back at least a hundred years, "traditional" enough for you?
There is nothing new under the sun.
I've blocked him, for my own sanity, I suggest you do the same. Outside of TS, and a couple like him, this can be a good forum.
I think that's because it's impossible to create a network that lives up to their high standards. Just like haven't created a search engine. To be fair to Google, they have to work with what's available, meaning their results would be way better if all sites where based on a database template. Instead Google uses PageRank, most pointers to a website gets higher up in the search results list, which isn't the way to go, to me, but I digress.
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Originally Posted by isaidso
I'll just never understand why Apple didn't become a carrier when it had the chance (screw their damn internet cloud server farms).
"Early on, both sides determined it would be a bad idea for Apple to offer its own cellphone service, leasing access to Cingular's network.
"Even though Virgin Mobile USA and other startup cellphone operators were using that method with some success, Mr. Jobs was cautious. He viewed the cellphone business as an unforgiving one, where carriers are blamed for network problems and overwhelmed by customer complaints.
"Instead, he wanted to focus on building a good handset."
- "How Steve Jobs Played Hardball In iPhone Birth", Wall Street Journal, Feb 17, 2007
So I'm guessing that the real joke is that the EU has to stand aside while the talking heads stop us from making sense.
Originally Posted by v5v
Whatever.
So you lose.
Your being here sooner doesn't make you better, smarter or "righter."
Nice strawman.
crowley, and others, understand that largest troll has some serious personality problems, he gets a kick out of being obnoxious, hiding behind the safety of internet anonymity, it's best to just ignore him
i'm sure he'll post some pithy response to make himself feel good, that's how he is, he can't resist it, but as i never read responses to anything i post here he'll just be ranting impotently, as usual
have fun
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So you lose.
Conversations are win/lose?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Nice strawman.
I really don't wanna get into a debate, but I wasn't changing the subject to claim victory. I was responding specifically to what you wrote:
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
It would be if that were the case, but really it's more like we're having a pool party, you weren't invited, and when you break and enter into our backyard you have the gall to act like you have anything remotely close to the right to be here.
My response is that being here sooner doesn't bestow you with special privilege or status. My opinion matters as much as anyone's, including yours. You made a statement, I countered it. No scarecrows anywhere.
Originally Posted by v5v
I was responding specifically to what you wrote:
Dear mother of humanity, that's what you took away from the analogy?!
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Dear mother of humanity, that's what you took away from the analogy?!
Yeah. Did I misunderstand? Fer cryin' out loud, I keep TELLING you I'm about a sharp as a sock full of pudding! Dumb, that is. Stoooopid as a stump.
Spell it out boy! Subtle doesn't work on the terminally thick.