At least Samsung doesn't steal IP. Apple, on the other hand...
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A jury of Samsung's peers felt differently, a billion dollars differently.
Don't confuse terms, please. Patents are the nowadays equivalent to the "business" of Vito Corleone. It's just business. Apple and Samsung can do business, because they're big "families". Every few years there're wars between "families", but they're "men of honour" and finally come to "reasonable" peace in their business.
Now don't confuse your position in the business. You're like a small shop owner: Corleone will be pleased to "help" you, but don't dare to play the business, because you're small and you'll be shot.
That's it on computers. Developers no longer develop technology, unless they're on a "family" big enough to play this "business"
Best thread I've seen in a while. Please stick around JoshKar426. It's not every day someone spends so much time to call out the lunacy around here. Maybe give Apple a little credit for being so good at what they do, but otherwise carry on!
The only thing I see Samsung copying is the design of consumer products. All their tech is made in-house, and that's something I respect. Samsung stands by their own tech.
Unfortunately for you Apple fans, designs should ONLY be defended under certain circumstances (AKA. Direct look-alike). Otherwise, you'd have a market with only 1 car manufacturer, 1 TV manufacturer, 1 phone manufacturer, etc. etc. So I support Samsung's stance in the current smartphone war.
Also, LOL at you thinking Samsung is a horrible manufacturer. Samsung is the best in the industry. They are second to none. No other manufacturer is as diverse as Samsung is, while providing the highest quality components with incredibly high yields. LG couldn't do it. SHARP couldn't do it (In fact, SHARP's screens were laughed at in Apple's headquarters because SHARP couldn't produce a SINGLE panel that was on-par with Samsung's).
That's why Apple keeps crawling back to them like a whore ex you dumped like 10 times already. TSMC is only a foundry. NVIDIA, Qualcomm and AMD are all looking at Samsung now.
Intel is ahead of Samsung at the moment in regards to CPU manufacturing. That's the only area where Samsung is 2nd.
Samsung spends most of its money on R&D and restructuring. They devoted $40.2 billion last year alone to R&D. Just because Samsung has a high marketing budget doesn't mean it doesn't engage in R&D.
Wow! Are you way off. Samsung does not do all their own tech, they license a lot of it as do a lot of tech companies. You have this inability to separate manufacture with invention and invention with manufacture. You also seem to want to redefine what it means to invent so that it justifies your juvenile view of the world.
Their R&D budget is put towards studies of who they should spend their marketing money on and of course how better to dispose of all the unsold returned phones they flooded the market with.
LOL At you thinking Samsung is the best. Prove it. You can't. And of course they're second in CPU, who else is going to want their components in crappy Samsung products, that have the highest failure rate in the industry. Samsung's panels aren't better, they just had plenty of time to work the bugs out of their process as they were the first Apple contracted. Both LG and Sharp got the bugs worked out now and are making panels and Samsung is out.
Let's not forgot all the times they've been dragged into court for antitrust issues all over the world. They have to be the most immoral of all tech companies. Including by the EU and DoJ who are currently looking into suing Samsung for violating SEPs. Personally, I hope the standards bodies around the world take a look at what Samsung is doing and decide that Samsung will never be allowed to submit IP towards another standard again, and furthermore, invalidate any IP that resides in any current standard.
Suppose you write this algorithm that removes punctuation in a textfile, then creates another textfile that has all the words on 1 column, I don't think my method should be patentable, as I'm sure that many other software developers have done it my way as well.
public static String removePunctuation(String input)
...
Of course that wouldn't be patentable, you haven't done anything any other programmer wouldn't do. However, if you're trying to simplify software down to something like that, then why not hardware... I made a slim metal fastener, that when with hammer will hold two pieces of wood together, I'm calling it a nail. See, I've just reasoned, using your logic (or lack of), that NO hardware should ever be patentable.
You do have a bias towards hardware, because you think software is simplistic and trivial.
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Originally Posted by JoshKar426
Unfortunately for you Apple fans, designs should ONLY be defended under certain circumstances (AKA. Direct look-alike). Otherwise, you'd have a market with only 1 car manufacturer, 1 TV manufacturer, 1 phone manufacturer, etc. etc. So I support Samsung's stance in the current smartphone war.
Uh, no you wouldn't, just as in the smartphone market all of the products you mentioned can have their own unique look - unfortunately for you brainwashed Samesung fans, Samsung lacks the ability to be unique, so you need an excuse for their outright copying - and not just in the phone market, they copy competitors products in all markets.
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Originally Posted by JoshKar426
- *sigh* They DON'T build the same components. The "retina display", for example, was from Samsung and LG, but the screens were NOT the same technology; hence, Samsung's screens were vastly superior to LG's.
Do you know anything about manufacturing? Do you know anything about yields? I'm guessing that's a big fat, NO.
Bakery A and Bakery B can both be hired to make a cake using my recipe. Those cakes may not turn out the same due too many details to describe, even though they followed my recipe exactly. This is the same for Apple's displays. Samsung also had horrible yields and quality control issues when they switched to producing new displays for Apple, but over time, they worked the kinks out. Apple later added LG, and at first their yields and control issues where bad, but they eventually worked them out as well.
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Originally Posted by JoshKar426
- TSMC isn't making anything for Apple, yet. The processors are still Samsung-only, and that's because part of Samsung's designs are in the A5 and A6 series. That's why Apple can't move. Unlike the screen, having processors with different performance can cause a shit storm with Apps.
Actually, Samsung had no hand in designing the A6... Even a Samsung company official stated that the A6 was the first without any input from Samsung, so I'm not really sure what you're talking about, but this could be your inability to separate invention with manufacture again.
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Originally Posted by JoshKar426
Yes, you read that right. It's like Dell patenting using the AMD 7850 graphics card on desktops. It's asinine.
Samsung didn't invent the transistor or the integrated circuit or OLED or flexible displays or radio or... and yet all these previous inventions are used in all the products and components they make. So again, by using your logic (or lack of) all they've done is take an AMD graphics card and plug into their Dell and patented it. THEY HAVENT INVENTED ANYTHING EITHER.
Well at least we can agree on that. Now that that's over. Yes, you read that correctly.
I think many people don't understand that there's a difference between Apple and Samsung's patents.
Apple's patents are mainly broad, generic designs that take $0 in R&D costs.
Samsung's patents deal with REAL technological progress such as 4G LTE and wireless communication. This is why Samsung's patents are VALID while Apple's isn't, and why courts are upholding Samsung's patents while rejecting Apple's.
You are obviously confused and have no idea what you are talking about!
In statement to AllThingsD, Apple spokeswoman Kristin Huguet said, ?We are disappointed that the Commission has overturned an earlier ruling and we plan to appeal,?"Today?s decision has no impact on the availability of Apple products in the United States. Samsung is using a strategy which has been rejected by courts and regulators around the world. They?ve admitted that it?s against the interests of consumers in Europe and elsewhere, yet here in the United States Samsung continues to try to block the sale of Apple products by using patents they agreed to license to anyone for a reasonable fee.?
Pet peeve time. I know these question marks are the curly quotes and curly apostrophes ("smart quotes") that Microsoft Word loves so much. I assume the problem is that your forum database uses ISO-8859-1 (aka ISO Latin-1) for ASCII encoding. Word uses Windows-1252 (aka CP1252, aka ANSI Latin-1). I know, confusing, but the upshot is that you can't "cast" ASCII strings that contain smart quotes from 1252 to 8859-1. The ASCII values used by smart quotes (0x91 to 0x94) aren't printable characters in 8859-1. Either switch your database to Windows-1252 or better still, switch to Unicode and properly convert your CP1252 strings into Unicode strings. Or, if you really want to continue using 8859-1, use some Perl or sed script to replace the smart quotes with ordinary "dumb" ones. Same with the long dash character, and any other that falls inside the C1 (Latin-1 Supplement) range.
I did the opposite. I bought a Samsung phone 3 years ago, what a revelation. It makes the apple phone look like a childs toy. I then replaced my imac with a Samsung, and I bought a Samsung smart TV. So glad I did. Apple fans live in a self-deluding little world, although more and more of them are now seeing the light. My wife is, for the moment, stuck with an apple phone; she cannot wait to be rid of it and get a fantastic Android device.
Apple does not keep ANY money in the USA.So even in the unlikely event they get any money from Samsung, it will go straight to the British Virgin Islands, or some other British island. Note they are banned from IMPORTING phones, so they don't make anything in your country, and they don't keep any money in your country. It is quite possible that Samsung contributes more to the USA economy in taxes and employment than Apple.
Apple does not keep ANY money in the USA.So even in the unlikely event they get any money from Samsung, it will go straight to the British Virgin Islands, or some other British island. Note they are banned from IMPORTING phones, so they don't make anything in your country, and they don't keep any money in your country. It is quite possible that Samsung contributes more to the USA economy in taxes and employment than Apple.
LOL. All models that Apple would love to take off the market anyway.
If they aren't already EOL'd.
This pretty much. The Retina iPad (3rd generation) and the iPhone 5 have LTE radios, so they're not affected by this. The iPad 2 and the iPhone4 could be discontinued and that will pretty much do nothing to the marketplace.
Honestly, Samsung sueing Samsung customers for incompetence on Samsung's part is a bad idea and if I were shopping around a project to be built, Samsung would end up at the bottom of the list, if they even end up on the list.
Doesn't Apple keep about 1/3 of their cash in the USA?
Look up Braeburn Capital. Its' Apple's investment arm, based in Nevada (which a lot of companies do so they don't have to pay California corporate taxes on the earnings).
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Originally Posted by curtb87
Samsung is an abomination.
At least Samsung doesn't steal IP. Apple, on the other hand...
Is this the great American company Americans want representing them?
A jury of Samsung's peers felt differently, a billion dollars differently.
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Originally Posted by Pendergast
A jury of Samsung's peers felt differently, a billion dollars differently.
Yeah, it's too bad those patents are now invalidated.
How do you infringe on an invalid patent?
Apple - Copycat, infringer, and fraud. Even Microsoft has more honor than them.
you realize many of samsung's patents are being invalidated too, right?
and the reasons for invalidating apple's patents are not because they are inferior to samsung's patents, right?
and you know pto (an agency) invalidation does not mean the federal courts (article III courts) should follow.
Don't bother.
Now don't confuse your position in the business. You're like a small shop owner: Corleone will be pleased to "help" you, but don't dare to play the business, because you're small and you'll be shot.
That's it on computers. Developers no longer develop technology, unless they're on a "family" big enough to play this "business"
Best thread I've seen in a while. Please stick around JoshKar426. It's not every day someone spends so much time to call out the lunacy around here. Maybe give Apple a little credit for being so good at what they do, but otherwise carry on!
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Originally Posted by JoshKar426
The only thing I see Samsung copying is the design of consumer products. All their tech is made in-house, and that's something I respect. Samsung stands by their own tech.
Unfortunately for you Apple fans, designs should ONLY be defended under certain circumstances (AKA. Direct look-alike). Otherwise, you'd have a market with only 1 car manufacturer, 1 TV manufacturer, 1 phone manufacturer, etc. etc. So I support Samsung's stance in the current smartphone war.
Also, LOL at you thinking Samsung is a horrible manufacturer. Samsung is the best in the industry. They are second to none. No other manufacturer is as diverse as Samsung is, while providing the highest quality components with incredibly high yields. LG couldn't do it. SHARP couldn't do it (In fact, SHARP's screens were laughed at in Apple's headquarters because SHARP couldn't produce a SINGLE panel that was on-par with Samsung's).
That's why Apple keeps crawling back to them like a whore ex you dumped like 10 times already. TSMC is only a foundry. NVIDIA, Qualcomm and AMD are all looking at Samsung now.
Intel is ahead of Samsung at the moment in regards to CPU manufacturing. That's the only area where Samsung is 2nd.
Samsung spends most of its money on R&D and restructuring. They devoted $40.2 billion last year alone to R&D. Just because Samsung has a high marketing budget doesn't mean it doesn't engage in R&D.
Wow! Are you way off. Samsung does not do all their own tech, they license a lot of it as do a lot of tech companies. You have this inability to separate manufacture with invention and invention with manufacture. You also seem to want to redefine what it means to invent so that it justifies your juvenile view of the world.
Their R&D budget is put towards studies of who they should spend their marketing money on and of course how better to dispose of all the unsold returned phones they flooded the market with.
LOL At you thinking Samsung is the best. Prove it. You can't. And of course they're second in CPU, who else is going to want their components in crappy Samsung products, that have the highest failure rate in the industry. Samsung's panels aren't better, they just had plenty of time to work the bugs out of their process as they were the first Apple contracted. Both LG and Sharp got the bugs worked out now and are making panels and Samsung is out.
Let's not forgot all the times they've been dragged into court for antitrust issues all over the world. They have to be the most immoral of all tech companies. Including by the EU and DoJ who are currently looking into suing Samsung for violating SEPs. Personally, I hope the standards bodies around the world take a look at what Samsung is doing and decide that Samsung will never be allowed to submit IP towards another standard again, and furthermore, invalidate any IP that resides in any current standard.
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Originally Posted by JoshKar426
I don't have a bias towards hardware.
Suppose you write this algorithm that removes punctuation in a textfile, then creates another textfile that has all the words on 1 column, I don't think my method should be patentable, as I'm sure that many other software developers have done it my way as well.
public static String removePunctuation(String input)
...
Of course that wouldn't be patentable, you haven't done anything any other programmer wouldn't do. However, if you're trying to simplify software down to something like that, then why not hardware... I made a slim metal fastener, that when with hammer will hold two pieces of wood together, I'm calling it a nail. See, I've just reasoned, using your logic (or lack of), that NO hardware should ever be patentable.
You do have a bias towards hardware, because you think software is simplistic and trivial.
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Originally Posted by JoshKar426
Unfortunately for you Apple fans, designs should ONLY be defended under certain circumstances (AKA. Direct look-alike). Otherwise, you'd have a market with only 1 car manufacturer, 1 TV manufacturer, 1 phone manufacturer, etc. etc. So I support Samsung's stance in the current smartphone war.
Uh, no you wouldn't, just as in the smartphone market all of the products you mentioned can have their own unique look - unfortunately for you brainwashed Samesung fans, Samsung lacks the ability to be unique, so you need an excuse for their outright copying - and not just in the phone market, they copy competitors products in all markets.
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Originally Posted by JoshKar426
- *sigh* They DON'T build the same components. The "retina display", for example, was from Samsung and LG, but the screens were NOT the same technology; hence, Samsung's screens were vastly superior to LG's.
Do you know anything about manufacturing? Do you know anything about yields? I'm guessing that's a big fat, NO.
Bakery A and Bakery B can both be hired to make a cake using my recipe. Those cakes may not turn out the same due too many details to describe, even though they followed my recipe exactly. This is the same for Apple's displays. Samsung also had horrible yields and quality control issues when they switched to producing new displays for Apple, but over time, they worked the kinks out. Apple later added LG, and at first their yields and control issues where bad, but they eventually worked them out as well.
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Originally Posted by JoshKar426
- TSMC isn't making anything for Apple, yet. The processors are still Samsung-only, and that's because part of Samsung's designs are in the A5 and A6 series. That's why Apple can't move. Unlike the screen, having processors with different performance can cause a shit storm with Apps.
Actually, Samsung had no hand in designing the A6... Even a Samsung company official stated that the A6 was the first without any input from Samsung, so I'm not really sure what you're talking about, but this could be your inability to separate invention with manufacture again.
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Originally Posted by JoshKar426
Yes, you read that right. It's like Dell patenting using the AMD 7850 graphics card on desktops. It's asinine.
Samsung didn't invent the transistor or the integrated circuit or OLED or flexible displays or radio or... and yet all these previous inventions are used in all the products and components they make. So again, by using your logic (or lack of) all they've done is take an AMD graphics card and plug into their Dell and patented it. THEY HAVENT INVENTED ANYTHING EITHER.
Well at least we can agree on that. Now that that's over. Yes, you read that correctly.
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Originally Posted by JoshKar426
I think many people don't understand that there's a difference between Apple and Samsung's patents.
Apple's patents are mainly broad, generic designs that take $0 in R&D costs.
Samsung's patents deal with REAL technological progress such as 4G LTE and wireless communication. This is why Samsung's patents are VALID while Apple's isn't, and why courts are upholding Samsung's patents while rejecting Apple's.
You are obviously confused and have no idea what you are talking about!
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
In statement to AllThingsD, Apple spokeswoman Kristin Huguet said, ?We are disappointed that the Commission has overturned an earlier ruling and we plan to appeal,?"Today?s decision has no impact on the availability of Apple products in the United States. Samsung is using a strategy which has been rejected by courts and regulators around the world. They?ve admitted that it?s against the interests of consumers in Europe and elsewhere, yet here in the United States Samsung continues to try to block the sale of Apple products by using patents they agreed to license to anyone for a reasonable fee.?
Pet peeve time. I know these question marks are the curly quotes and curly apostrophes ("smart quotes") that Microsoft Word loves so much. I assume the problem is that your forum database uses ISO-8859-1 (aka ISO Latin-1) for ASCII encoding. Word uses Windows-1252 (aka CP1252, aka ANSI Latin-1). I know, confusing, but the upshot is that you can't "cast" ASCII strings that contain smart quotes from 1252 to 8859-1. The ASCII values used by smart quotes (0x91 to 0x94) aren't printable characters in 8859-1. Either switch your database to Windows-1252 or better still, switch to Unicode and properly convert your CP1252 strings into Unicode strings. Or, if you really want to continue using 8859-1, use some Perl or sed script to replace the smart quotes with ordinary "dumb" ones. Same with the long dash character, and any other that falls inside the C1 (Latin-1 Supplement) range.
I did the opposite. I bought a Samsung phone 3 years ago, what a revelation. It makes the apple phone look like a childs toy. I then replaced my imac with a Samsung, and I bought a Samsung smart TV. So glad I did. Apple fans live in a self-deluding little world, although more and more of them are now seeing the light. My wife is, for the moment, stuck with an apple phone; she cannot wait to be rid of it and get a fantastic Android device.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I'm unfamiliar with French law, but everything I know about sanity and common sense says that this is ludicrous.
You change "French" into "US" and we agree, OK ?
Apple does not keep ANY money in the USA.So even in the unlikely event they get any money from Samsung, it will go straight to the British Virgin Islands, or some other British island. Note they are banned from IMPORTING phones, so they don't make anything in your country, and they don't keep any money in your country. It is quite possible that Samsung contributes more to the USA economy in taxes and employment than Apple.
What a load of crap.
This pretty much. The Retina iPad (3rd generation) and the iPhone 5 have LTE radios, so they're not affected by this. The iPad 2 and the iPhone4 could be discontinued and that will pretty much do nothing to the marketplace.
Honestly, Samsung sueing Samsung customers for incompetence on Samsung's part is a bad idea and if I were shopping around a project to be built, Samsung would end up at the bottom of the list, if they even end up on the list.
Wow! very persuasive argument. You win
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Originally Posted by Exmacuser
Apple does not keep ANY money in the USA.
Doesn't Apple keep about 1/3 of their cash in the USA?
Look up Braeburn Capital. Its' Apple's investment arm, based in Nevada (which a lot of companies do so they don't have to pay California corporate taxes on the earnings).