I had no issues running 7 on the iPhone 4S, so "many" is anecdotal. Everyone I know with an iPhone is on iOS 7. In fact, at 78%, you and your acquaintances are distinctively in the minority on this.
I am glad that it worked for you.
Yes, "many" is vague. Apple sure as heck isn't releasing any numbers, so it is all vague about how big of a problem this is.
Of course, it is interesting to note that unless someone is counted in that 78% running iOS7 they will not know if their phone has issues. Therefore, the pool of people who have issues with an iPhone 4S and iOS7 is not the 22% who haven't upgraded, but the 78% that have.
That all being said, I am having a hard time understanding the responses that I am getting here. Many people seem to be taking the stance that since Apple only broke a small percentage of phones that they have no responsibility for their actions. Is it really your contention that it is okay for Apple to do this since it is just a minority of people who were adversely affected by this? Is that what the standard of ethics and right has become? It is okay that I messed up and hurt, and this is a financial harm, a group of people because it was only a small percentage?
My cousin was one of those whose iPhone 4S was broken. He talked to Apple support several times and was basically told the same thing every time, "Sorry, but we can't help you. We suggest you buy a new phone." And he did. He bought an Android phone on Black Friday and has stated that he is done with Apple. Maybe he is and maybe he isn't, but he has been a huge supporter and Apple evangelist for close to half a decade now. He talked most of his family into buying Apple products. Now, he is telling them to buy something else.
We’ve heard that meme over and over. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence until the other side of the fence disappoints him too. Whatever. Your assertion that “iOS 7 broke wifi on so many iPhone 4S phones” is still complete bullshit. And as for your cousin’s shift in attitude, he’s mad at Apple not enamored with Android. My son did the same thing at least twice. He got angry over his iPhone for some reason, bought an HTC Android phone only to have it blow up in his face. It literally fell apart, the charging connector broke, it wouldn’t boot any more, etc. So back he went to an iPhone 5. Now he’s yammering about it and how iOS 7 “destroyed my battery life,” another meme we hear after every update. And so it goes. Technology craps on some people. Your cousin is just a statistic in an extreme minority.
And do you really believe that iPhone owners are all so stupid that none of them have done any research at all before upgrading? A simple search for "iphone 4s iOS7 issues" returns close to 18 million results. But your assertion is that not a single iPhone 4S user did a quick search before upgrading nor that a single person asked the "tech guru" about it before upgrading?
I'm enjoying iOS7 however there is definitely room for more improvement on it. The UI in some areas is too simple and too CLOSE together! Space between buttons is a good thing. I've read 7.1 makes some more UI improvments.
It should be noted that the chart from Google's developer website only counts devices that access the Google Play Store, not all of Androidlandia.
This is Google's only viable attempt at lessening just how bad fragmentation is with Android OS. It's funny how they count all Android-based devices when they tout activations, yet when they try to demonstrate OS version adoption, they limit the scope.
That chart is intended for the developer, to know which OS version and screen resolution are in use between potential users/customers (those accessing Play Store).
And to be honest, I am suffering fragmentation more on iOS devices than on Android devices. On iPad and iPhone I have to wait an iOS release to have system app (for example Safari) updated, while on any Android version all system apps receive updates almost monthly.
We’ve heard that meme over and over. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence until the other side of the fence disappoints him too. Whatever. Your assertion that “iOS 7 broke wifi on so many iPhone 4S phones” is still complete bullshit. And as for your cousin’s shift in attitude, he’s mad at Apple not enamored with Android. My son did the same thing at least twice. He got angry over his iPhone for some reason, bought an HTC Android phone only to have it blow up in his face. It literally fell apart, the charging connector broke, it wouldn’t boot any more, etc. So back he went to an iPhone 5. Now he’s yammering about it and how iOS 7 “destroyed my battery life,” another meme we hear after every update. And so it goes. Technology craps on some people. Your cousin is just a statistic in an extreme minority.
So, you are asserting that I and everyone who has posted about this issue are all liars and that this did not happen?
Well, there isn't anything else to say to that. The issue never happened. There is not a problem.
So, to go with your grass is always greener meme. How about we add the ostrich with his head in the sand meme. Denying that a problem exist doesn't make it go away.
And technology didn't crap on my cousin, Apple did. His phone didn't just break. It was broken by a combination of bad hardware and an update by Apple. Then Apple refused to take any responsibility for it.
And to be honest, I am suffering fragmentation more on iOS devices than on Android devices. On iPad and iPhone I have to wait an iOS release to have system app (for example Safari) updated, while on any Android version all system apps receive updates almost monthly.
How is that fragmentation? In fact, a slower update cycle would likely cause less fragmentation since there would be less options for people to even have.
Viewing this sit on my iPad now. Never had any problems with safari crashing. I do use Bing as the search engine though - maybe the crashing is a Google thing
I'm enjoying iOS7 however there is definitely room for more improvement on it. The UI in some areas is too simple and too CLOSE together! Space between buttons is a good thing. I've read 7.1 makes some more UI improvments.
I expect that it will continue to improve as it matures. This has been the case with OSX after every major UI change, and I see no reason for it to not be the case with iOS7.
I expect that it will continue to improve as it matures. This has been the case with OSX after every major UI change, and I see no reason for it to not be the case with iOS7.
How is that fragmentation? In fact, a slower update cycle would likely cause less fragmentation since there would be less options for people to even have.
LOL. Apple should name their fragmentation after whimsical desserts, then it would be OK, even delightful.
You're the same kind of person that would piss and moan after updating your iPad 1 to iOS 6 and have it run poorly.
How do people like you get through the day? Is your entire life a vast cycle of having cake and eating it too?
How is that you imagine in that brain of yours that one is supposed to write new, powerful, cutting edge software that is optimized for the latest and greatest devices, achieving the best possible experience...and at the same time making it work just as well on every device that came before it....devices that were built several years before they even started work on the latest software?
The original iPad had one single update, not even two years worth of software coverage. I'm sorry, but for a premium Apple device that is piss poor.
Keeping in mind that the iPhone 3GS that was released 10 months earlier was able to run iOS 6 it just reinforces my point.
I own a lot of Apple hardware and will point out when I think Apple is wrong, rather than a faceless Apple Fan who almost has a heart attack when anything negative is said about their beloved corporation.
What?! What does that have to do with the discussion?
This isn't about iOS versus Android. This is about Apple breaking a number of people's phones and then not taking responsibility for it.
You said if you search for ios7 issues with the 4S, you get 18 MM hits to "prove" it's widespread. I just search for android issues and got that many hits. So if your relative is that concerned with issues, maybe Android isn't his best bet.
The original iPad had one single update, not even two years worth of software coverage. I'm sorry, but for a premium Apple device that is piss poor.
Keeping in mind that the iPhone 3GS that was released 10 months earlier was able to run iOS 6 it just reinforces my point.
I own a lot of Apple hardware and will point out when I think Apple is wrong, rather than a faceless Apple Fan who almost has a heart attack when anything negative is said about their beloved corporation.
I'm sorry, but just because 78% of devices *have* been upgraded to 7, [B]that doesn't mean that all 78% of users are happy with 7[/B]. I demand to see a poll that asks, how many of them would like to revert back to iOS 6, if they could.
Sent from my iPod (4th-gen, which will always use the perfectly good iOS 6. Thanks, Apple!)
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I had no issues running 7 on the iPhone 4S, so "many" is anecdotal. Everyone I know with an iPhone is on iOS 7. In fact, at 78%, you and your acquaintances are distinctively in the minority on this.
I am glad that it worked for you.
Yes, "many" is vague. Apple sure as heck isn't releasing any numbers, so it is all vague about how big of a problem this is.
Of course, it is interesting to note that unless someone is counted in that 78% running iOS7 they will not know if their phone has issues. Therefore, the pool of people who have issues with an iPhone 4S and iOS7 is not the 22% who haven't upgraded, but the 78% that have.
That all being said, I am having a hard time understanding the responses that I am getting here. Many people seem to be taking the stance that since Apple only broke a small percentage of phones that they have no responsibility for their actions. Is it really your contention that it is okay for Apple to do this since it is just a minority of people who were adversely affected by this? Is that what the standard of ethics and right has become? It is okay that I messed up and hurt, and this is a financial harm, a group of people because it was only a small percentage?
My cousin was one of those whose iPhone 4S was broken. He talked to Apple support several times and was basically told the same thing every time, "Sorry, but we can't help you. We suggest you buy a new phone." And he did. He bought an Android phone on Black Friday and has stated that he is done with Apple. Maybe he is and maybe he isn't, but he has been a huge supporter and Apple evangelist for close to half a decade now. He talked most of his family into buying Apple products. Now, he is telling them to buy something else.
We’ve heard that meme over and over. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence until the other side of the fence disappoints him too. Whatever. Your assertion that “iOS 7 broke wifi on so many iPhone 4S phones” is still complete bullshit. And as for your cousin’s shift in attitude, he’s mad at Apple not enamored with Android. My son did the same thing at least twice. He got angry over his iPhone for some reason, bought an HTC Android phone only to have it blow up in his face. It literally fell apart, the charging connector broke, it wouldn’t boot any more, etc. So back he went to an iPhone 5. Now he’s yammering about it and how iOS 7 “destroyed my battery life,” another meme we hear after every update. And so it goes. Technology craps on some people. Your cousin is just a statistic in an extreme minority.
I'm enjoying iOS7 however there is definitely room for more improvement on it. The UI in some areas is too simple and too CLOSE together! Space between buttons is a good thing. I've read 7.1 makes some more UI improvments.
It should be noted that the chart from Google's developer website only counts devices that access the Google Play Store, not all of Androidlandia.
This is Google's only viable attempt at lessening just how bad fragmentation is with Android OS. It's funny how they count all Android-based devices when they tout activations, yet when they try to demonstrate OS version adoption, they limit the scope.
That chart is intended for the developer, to know which OS version and screen resolution are in use between potential users/customers (those accessing Play Store).
And to be honest, I am suffering fragmentation more on iOS devices than on Android devices. On iPad and iPhone I have to wait an iOS release to have system app (for example Safari) updated, while on any Android version all system apps receive updates almost monthly.
We’ve heard that meme over and over. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence until the other side of the fence disappoints him too. Whatever. Your assertion that “iOS 7 broke wifi on so many iPhone 4S phones” is still complete bullshit. And as for your cousin’s shift in attitude, he’s mad at Apple not enamored with Android. My son did the same thing at least twice. He got angry over his iPhone for some reason, bought an HTC Android phone only to have it blow up in his face. It literally fell apart, the charging connector broke, it wouldn’t boot any more, etc. So back he went to an iPhone 5. Now he’s yammering about it and how iOS 7 “destroyed my battery life,” another meme we hear after every update. And so it goes. Technology craps on some people. Your cousin is just a statistic in an extreme minority.
So, you are asserting that I and everyone who has posted about this issue are all liars and that this did not happen?
Well, there isn't anything else to say to that. The issue never happened. There is not a problem.
So, to go with your grass is always greener meme. How about we add the ostrich with his head in the sand meme. Denying that a problem exist doesn't make it go away.
And technology didn't crap on my cousin, Apple did. His phone didn't just break. It was broken by a combination of bad hardware and an update by Apple. Then Apple refused to take any responsibility for it.
"Android issues" returned 500MM results.
What?! What does that have to do with the discussion?
This isn't about iOS versus Android. This is about Apple breaking a number of people's phones and then not taking responsibility for it.
And to be honest, I am suffering fragmentation more on iOS devices than on Android devices. On iPad and iPhone I have to wait an iOS release to have system app (for example Safari) updated, while on any Android version all system apps receive updates almost monthly.
How is that fragmentation? In fact, a slower update cycle would likely cause less fragmentation since there would be less options for people to even have.
I'm enjoying iOS7 however there is definitely room for more improvement on it. The UI in some areas is too simple and too CLOSE together! Space between buttons is a good thing. I've read 7.1 makes some more UI improvments.
I expect that it will continue to improve as it matures. This has been the case with OSX after every major UI change, and I see no reason for it to not be the case with iOS7.
I expect that it will continue to improve as it matures. This has been the case with OSX after every major UI change, and I see no reason for it to not be the case with iOS7.
I agree. iOS 8 should be a nice update.
LOL. Apple should name their fragmentation after whimsical desserts, then it would be OK, even delightful.
You're the same kind of person that would piss and moan after updating your iPad 1 to iOS 6 and have it run poorly.
How do people like you get through the day? Is your entire life a vast cycle of having cake and eating it too?
How is that you imagine in that brain of yours that one is supposed to write new, powerful, cutting edge software that is optimized for the latest and greatest devices, achieving the best possible experience...and at the same time making it work just as well on every device that came before it....devices that were built several years before they even started work on the latest software?
The original iPad had one single update, not even two years worth of software coverage. I'm sorry, but for a premium Apple device that is piss poor.
Keeping in mind that the iPhone 3GS that was released 10 months earlier was able to run iOS 6 it just reinforces my point.
I own a lot of Apple hardware and will point out when I think Apple is wrong, rather than a faceless Apple Fan who almost has a heart attack when anything negative is said about their beloved corporation.
You said if you search for ios7 issues with the 4S, you get 18 MM hits to "prove" it's widespread. I just search for android issues and got that many hits. So if your relative is that concerned with issues, maybe Android isn't his best bet.
"To be honest" is a staple phrase of concern trolls. It nearly always means "to appear to be honest" in these forums.
Why don't you create your own pie chart showing us how fragmented iOS really is, because Apple has got to be lying.
And previous generation iPod Touch.
Did your iPad stop working when 6 came out?
It's called redirecting.
Sent from my iPod (4th-gen, which will always use the perfectly good iOS 6. Thanks, Apple!)