You know you're paying more than full unlocked retail for all of these phones by subsidizing your own purchase, right? I'll give you the resale value, but you're netting $400+ per phone because of your contract. There is no such thing as a $200 iPhone from a carrier.
Do the math on my $30/month unlimited 4G data plan with a $300 unlocked phone compared to whatever plan you're rocking, and tell me how much that iPhone costs.
Which means that people who are now getting the mid-range Android phones on a no-contract basis are saving a ton of money. They get a capable device for $150-$250 instead of $500 for, say, an iPhone 5c, and are not falling for the "free" (with 2 year contract) scam. Which means they are a lot smarter than certain people on this site give them credit for. And they are exactly the demographic that Apple is targeting with the Beats deal. If what you primarily care about is music and not using your phone as some sort of computer, instead of spending $500 on the phone, spend $250 on the phone and $250 on the headphones. Pretty savvy if you ask me.
Sample size of nearly 100,000 people, yet it suggested the iPhone 5S would outsell the 5C by over 10:1. The actual ratio was closer to 3:1.
There are a lot of assumptions made in surveys - that they are suitably random and cover wide enough age, gender and geographical demographics.
Also, when it comes to future products, people make the buying decision once they see the product and assess the price.
Asking a vague question like would you consider a phone above 4" with no insight about the design, exact size, price or features gives no meaningful information whatsoever. Did they want a 4.3" phone or a 5" phone? Did they want a $300 phone or a $600 phone?
Apple's sales share was 150m out of 1b smartphones in 2013 so it would be 35% of 850m = ~300m. In other words, Apple would triple their sales. But y'know, sample size and all that.
No, you merely jumped to conclusions. Even with the valid comments you make about vague questions, randomness, demographics, etc., the engadget survey only sampled engadget readers, and thus can only speak to what they might do. But you compared it to what the real world public did. Apples and oranges, friend. If you were to do a followup survey of engadget readers ONLY, I bet you would find that the initial survey is much closer to predicting what they actually did.
the engadget survey only sampled engadget readers, and thus can only speak to what they might do.
Right and by the same reasoning, the survey referenced in this article lets us know that the 1427 people in the survey will consider an iPhone larger than 4". Unless we know that those 1427 people adequately represent the other 850,000,000 potential buyers in multiple countries and age groups then it doesn't tell us much. And even if it was suitably representative, the question is still too vague. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't consider an iPhone larger than 4" because that includes a 4.1" iPhone.
I would probably say the percentage of people Apple will convert to iPhone from Android with the larger device will be MUCH higher than 35%.
Most people I talk to who were foolish enough to go with a large Android phone say they did so either because of the fact it was free (or heavily discounted) on contract, or because of the screen size.
While the new iPhone's won't change the minds of the cheapo's out there, those who went for size will all come clamouring back!
I would probably say the percentage of people Apple will convert to iPhone from Android with the larger device will be MUCH higher than 35%.
Most people I talk to who were foolish enough to go with a large Android phone say they did so either because of the fact it was free (or heavily discounted) on contract, or because of the screen size.
While the new iPhone's won't change the minds of the cheapo's out there, those who went for size will all come clamouring back!
How can that be possible when iPhone-class devices only account for around 33% of Android devices? Check Googles developer dashboard.
People don't by Android because they like Android, people by Android because they are addicted to choice and resent Apple for denying them their fix.
How can that be possible when iPhone-class devices only account for around 33% of Android devices? Check Googles developer dashboard.
People don't by Android because they like Android, people by Android because they are addicted to choice and resent Apple for denying them their fix.
McD
ROTFL... OK Fandroid, keep telling yourself that... The majority of consumers don't even know choice is there, and how dangerous it is. Ever ask the average owner of an Android device why they haven't replaced TouchWiz with a different launcher? Their eyes glaze over, or have a coronary because you've just spoken way too much geek speak at them.
They just needed a cheap phone and they happened to walk out of the store with an Android phone. That's the average Android phone user, not the techie type.
What's wrong with someone wanting a cheap phone? Not everyone has the money or the desire to buy a £500 phone, whether it's an iPhone or not. Do you have a top-of-the range car, watch, set of golf clubs, and everything else in your life? No, because you probably don't care much about all those things. Plenty of people don't particularly care about phones.
Moan about Android users all you like, but your constant sneering at "poor people" is really not very nice. Frankly, it would have got you kicked off these forums months ago if the moderation wasn't so slanted and anaemic.
My sister-in-law picked up three Samsung Galaxy S4 phones a year and a half ago at the local Costco because they were practically giving them away. By her own admission, cost was the ONLY factor. Two of the three are presently broken and off for repairs. They will be without them for at least 4 weeks! As I told her at the time she bought them, you get what you pay for.
They can't wait for the iPhone 6 this fall and are excited to dump the Galaxy phones.
I hesitate to call them "slow learners", so let's just say that they finally "get it".
They also purchased their first Mac last summer, a 21 inch iMac and love it, so that helps.
Heh: I’ll say it for you—always pleasing when slow learners get it.
<div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/180877/apple-could-sway-35-of-android-windows-phone-buyers-with-bigger-iphone-survey-finds#post_2555013" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false"><span>Quote:</span><div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Apple ][</strong> <a href="/t/180877/apple-could-sway-35-of-android-windows-phone-buyers-with-bigger-iphone-survey-finds#post_2555013"><img src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" class="inlineimg" alt="View Post"/></a><br/><br/><p> </p><p>Way too anecdotal.</p><p> </p><p>If you want anecdotal, then I have some of my own.</p><p> </p><p>Those techy geeks that you speak of are a tiny minority of Android buyers. The average Android person that I see is not the techy type at all, they are merely poor and/or ignorant. They do not go home and install custom roms on their phone and they do not know that much about tech at all. They just needed a cheap phone and they happened to walk out of the store with an Android phone. That's the average Android phone user, not the techie type.</p><p> </p><p>Do you think that the fat lady (who was most likely on welfare) that I saw on the bus the other day with her three annoying kids, and who was speaking loudly into her Android phone is going to go home and install custom roms later that night? That's the average Android phone user, and that's my anecdotal evidence.</p><p> </p><p>Some people might think that constantly messing with their Android phone and customizing it is a nice hobby, but most people have better things to do with their time and they can't be bothered with such activities.</p></div></div><p> </p>
Woah, mate. You talk about being poor and ignorant, clearly you are the ignorant one. You just profiled an obese woman as being poor, ignorant, and welfare all over what type of phone she was using?
You said the women was talking loudly in her Android phone, but I've seen just as many blacks in poor neighborhoods having an inappropriate conversation on speaker on their iPhone.
Lastly, being an iPhone user that is presumably not "poor" what are you doing on the bus?
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">They just needed a cheap phone and they happened to walk out of the store with an Android phone. That's the average Android phone user, not the techie type.</span>
What's wrong with someone wanting a cheap phone? Not everyone has the money or the desire to buy a £500 phone, whether it's an iPhone or not. Do you have a top-of-the range car, watch, set of golf clubs, and everything else in your life? No, because you probably don't care much about all those things. Plenty of people don't particularly care about phones.
Moan about Android users all you like, but your constant sneering at "poor people" is really not very nice. Frankly, it would have got you kicked off these forums months ago if the moderation wasn't so slanted and anaemic.
No-one has suggested there's anything wrong with someone wanting a cheap phone.
The prejudice is all yours, my euphonious friend.
(If Relic is reading, I think that was an atomic reply)
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You know you're paying more than full unlocked retail for all of these phones by subsidizing your own purchase, right? I'll give you the resale value, but you're netting $400+ per phone because of your contract. There is no such thing as a $200 iPhone from a carrier.
Do the math on my $30/month unlimited 4G data plan with a $300 unlocked phone compared to whatever plan you're rocking, and tell me how much that iPhone costs.
Which means that people who are now getting the mid-range Android phones on a no-contract basis are saving a ton of money. They get a capable device for $150-$250 instead of $500 for, say, an iPhone 5c, and are not falling for the "free" (with 2 year contract) scam. Which means they are a lot smarter than certain people on this site give them credit for. And they are exactly the demographic that Apple is targeting with the Beats deal. If what you primarily care about is music and not using your phone as some sort of computer, instead of spending $500 on the phone, spend $250 on the phone and $250 on the headphones. Pretty savvy if you ask me.
It doesn't hold up in the real world unfortunately. Take for example:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/10/poll-are-you-buying-new-iphone-5s-or-iphone-5c/
Sample size of nearly 100,000 people, yet it suggested the iPhone 5S would outsell the 5C by over 10:1. The actual ratio was closer to 3:1.
There are a lot of assumptions made in surveys - that they are suitably random and cover wide enough age, gender and geographical demographics.
Also, when it comes to future products, people make the buying decision once they see the product and assess the price.
Asking a vague question like would you consider a phone above 4" with no insight about the design, exact size, price or features gives no meaningful information whatsoever. Did they want a 4.3" phone or a 5" phone? Did they want a $300 phone or a $600 phone?
Apple's sales share was 150m out of 1b smartphones in 2013 so it would be 35% of 850m = ~300m. In other words, Apple would triple their sales. But y'know, sample size and all that.
No, you merely jumped to conclusions. Even with the valid comments you make about vague questions, randomness, demographics, etc., the engadget survey only sampled engadget readers, and thus can only speak to what they might do. But you compared it to what the real world public did. Apples and oranges, friend. If you were to do a followup survey of engadget readers ONLY, I bet you would find that the initial survey is much closer to predicting what they actually did.
Right and by the same reasoning, the survey referenced in this article lets us know that the 1427 people in the survey will consider an iPhone larger than 4". Unless we know that those 1427 people adequately represent the other 850,000,000 potential buyers in multiple countries and age groups then it doesn't tell us much. And even if it was suitably representative, the question is still too vague. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't consider an iPhone larger than 4" because that includes a 4.1" iPhone.
People don't by Android because they like Android, people by Android because they are addicted to choice and resent Apple for denying them their fix.
McD
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How can that be possible when iPhone-class devices only account for around 33% of Android devices? Check Googles developer dashboard.
People don't by Android because they like Android, people by Android because they are addicted to choice and resent Apple for denying them their fix.
McD
ROTFL... OK Fandroid, keep telling yourself that... The majority of consumers don't even know choice is there, and how dangerous it is. Ever ask the average owner of an Android device why they haven't replaced TouchWiz with a different launcher? Their eyes glaze over, or have a coronary because you've just spoken way too much geek speak at them.
They just needed a cheap phone and they happened to walk out of the store with an Android phone. That's the average Android phone user, not the techie type.
What's wrong with someone wanting a cheap phone? Not everyone has the money or the desire to buy a £500 phone, whether it's an iPhone or not. Do you have a top-of-the range car, watch, set of golf clubs, and everything else in your life? No, because you probably don't care much about all those things. Plenty of people don't particularly care about phones.
Moan about Android users all you like, but your constant sneering at "poor people" is really not very nice. Frankly, it would have got you kicked off these forums months ago if the moderation wasn't so slanted and anaemic.
Heh: I’ll say it for you—always pleasing when slow learners get it.
He's travelling somewhere.
No-one has suggested there's anything wrong with someone wanting a cheap phone.
The prejudice is all yours, my euphonious friend.
(If Relic is reading, I think that was an atomic reply)