I'm waiting to hear about all this revolutionary display technology that only just became available for Apple to have a larger phone in 2014. I'm expecting then that the new iPhone will have the best display of any smartphone on the market.
Don't hold your breath. This is Apple we are talking about. When I see it revealed come September a 5.5" screen then I will believe. Apple did a great job keeping the lid on going into WWDC so I'll remain skeptical with a lot of these rumors even if it is RBC. I too expect newer displays, will they be the best out there, that remains to be seen. I will be more excited if they can do some magic with the battery life seeing the form factor is larger. iOS 8 and Healthkit and them allowing third party apps more access to keyboard and touch sensor will draw in more folk as well. All in all Apple should have a phenomenal 2014. Waiting patiently to see all the new hardware coming our way this fall.
Apple could sway 35% of Android & Windows Phone buyers with bigger iPhone, survey finds
How stupid can these people be? 35% of Android and Windows Phone users don’t even HAVE PHONES LARGER THAN THE IPHONE. As previously stated, perhaps 35% OF larger phone owners (which is roughly 10% of the Android market), but not 35% of their userbase.
Originally Posted by gwmac
Nice to have actual data now to show how right I was.
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iPhones cost nearly twice as much as a Nexus phone, and offer nothing more for many users. My 12-year-old was given the option to have any smartphone he wanted for his first phone, he chose a Nexus 5, and he's been using various iPod touch versions for years. He pays for the devices himself, and is very good at saving money. He used my Nexus 4 a bunch on trips to compare to his iOS 7 Touch, and very much preferred the open customization possibilities, screen, keyboard, Google Now integration, voice integration, wifi hotspot hosting, etc.
That said, I would not recommend an Android phone to my wife. They are more hands-on, and she is not as technically driven, so an iPhone is a better choice for her. I think this is true across the board -- most of my highly technical friends prefer Android and Windows Phone, and my non-tech friends prefer iPhone.
That's a generalization, but does highlight that some like one, and some like another, and you can throw poop at the wall all you want about it.
Way too anecdotal.
If you want anecdotal, then I have some of my own.
Those techy geeks that you speak of are a tiny minority of Android buyers. The average Android person that I see is not the techy type at all, they are merely poor and/or ignorant. They do not go home and install custom roms on their phone and they do not know that much about tech at all. They just needed a cheap phone and they happened to walk out of the store with an Android phone. That's the average Android phone user, not the techie type.
Do you think that the fat lady (who was most likely on welfare) that I saw on the bus the other day with her three annoying kids, and who was speaking loudly into her Android phone is going to go home and install custom roms later that night? That's the average Android phone user, and that's my anecdotal evidence.
Some people might think that constantly messing with their Android phone and customizing it is a nice hobby, but most people have better things to do with their time and they can't be bothered with such activities.
The text on the graph says "will you consider an iPhone" not "will you buy"
Indeed, but it's just one of the flaws in the rationale behind the article.
There is no mention in the analysis that other data in the survey does not corroborate the '35%' headline. In the first pie-chart only 12% are citing screen size as the reason they do not buy a iPhones.
This must also be weighed up against how many consumers who are currently 100% happy with Apple's existing policy of keeping their smartphones neat, compact and optimised for one handed use, wouldn't then buy a new iPhone if it was substantially bigger. (That's my position).
There is also lack of clarity about the sample for the survey. Is this a US survey, a Canadian one, or worldwide? The first paragraph indicates an American perspective, as Apple is not set 'to capture nearly half the smartphone market in 2014' anywhere else.
My sister-in-law picked up three Samsung Galaxy S4 phones a year and a half ago at the local Costco because they were practically giving them away. By her own admission, cost was the ONLY factor. Two of the three are presently broken and off for repairs. They will be without them for at least 4 weeks! As I told her at the time she bought them, you get what you pay for.
They can't wait for the iPhone 6 this fall and are excited to dump the Galaxy phones.
I hesitate to call them "slow learners", so let's just say that they finally "get it".
They also purchased their first Mac last summer, a 21 inch iMac and love it, so that helps.
Hopefully they've learned their lesson and will never buy Samsung again, or jump at something because of price...
you buy the phone that costs less to do the job you expect it to do.
if all you do is make calls and surf the web and do facebook. you're pretty mobile.
If you happen to need a Android only feature or App, you stay on Android.
Or if you've decided your investment in learning a new mobile OS is completely spent on Kit-Kat on BlahBlah S3 5.38" phone, then you're not moving on.
Personally, I think you're mapping your iOS expectations on Android - "I just need a phone to text people on Facebook" users (which I think is the majority of the buyers... get me a cheap phone that does X, oh... this is less expensive AND has a bigger screen... big is great right? I'll buy it). They don't get new versions of OSes, they don't get phones that upgrade from their previous phones (at least not well). They make point in time purchases. Android sellers are fine with that, as it's the classic 'race to the bottom' for profit margins they are all used to do (Sell now! There is no Tomorrow!) Apple sells an ecosystem and a life experience beyond the 'one app/feature/job' Different buyer.
Honestly, this is not the case. Folks insist on pretending as if Android is still the junk that it was when it was still in the Ice Cream Sandwich and prior iterations. The newer Android releases are capable of running anything that runs on iOS, and not just for casual/entertainment users but even for intensive enterprise applications. Proof: the developers themselves. This data visualization app developer states that their new app for Android is capable of doing 80% of what their iOS app does, and had they used the Google SDK instead of developing their own (which they did because they also want to port the same code to Windows and Tizen later) it would have been 90%. http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobile-technology/yes-you-can-create-rich-android-apps-it-aint-easy-244516
So enough with the claims that are no longer true and have not been for some time, and will become utterly ridiculous down the line. Google has even slowed down their previously very fast upgrade cycle because they have run out of "obvious" things to address. Apple devices being better than Android devices no longer means that Android devices are bad. And this is a good thing, because being better than the Android hardware and OS from 3 years ago like those Motorola Xoom tablets was not exactly an accomplishment. Being better than the Galaxy S4 or the HTC One or the latest Nexus tablet is an accomplishment and speaks more to the superiority of Apple than ruling over a bunch of midgets does.
I have been making that assertion for years here and certain members (usually ones with more than 2,000 posts) shouted me down and told me I was insane and a few other choice words. Nice to have actual data now to show how right I was.
I hate to say it but I see a report like this before the new iPhone comes out. I find the results are never as the report finds. What consumers say and what they do are two different things. Nearly unrelated it would seem at times.
So does gwmac get points for being right? Or should we wait for actual sales data to see if iPhone 6 grabs 35% of the Android market?
How stupid can these people be? 35% of Android and Windows Phone users don’t even HAVE PHONES LARGER THAN THE IPHONE. As previously stated, perhaps 35% OF larger phone owners (which is roughly 10% of the Android market), but not 35% of their userbase.
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I think it is more data than you have which is to keep repeating a larger iPhone is unusable. Everyone knows all the crap you have been saying about larger iPhones so we will sure see who was right very soon once it goes on sale. So keep rocking with that antique 1st gen iPhone of yours which is less capable than even throw away $50 Android phones at this point and telling youngin's to get off your Mom's lawn since you live with her don't you? It must kill you to think you know Apple so well and they keep failing to heed your sage advice. Bless your heart.
If you want anecdotal, then I have some of my own.
Those techy geeks that you speak of are a tiny minority of Android buyers. The average Android person that I see is not the techy type at all, they are merely poor and/or ignorant. They do not go home and install custom roms on their phone and they do not know that much about tech at all. They just needed a cheap phone and they happened to walk out of the store with an Android phone. That's the average Android phone user, not the techie type.
Do you think that the fat lady (who was most likely on welfare) that I saw on the bus the other day with her three annoying kids, and who was speaking loudly into her Android phone is going to go home and install custom roms later that night? That's the average Android phone user, and that's my anecdotal evidence.
Some people might think that constantly messing with their Android phone and customizing it is a nice hobby, but most people have better things to do with their time and they can't be bothered with such activities.
I won't dispute the value shopper component of Android. iPhone has never been for the masses. It's way too expensive.
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Some people might think that constantly messing with their Android phone and customizing it is a nice hobby, but most people have better things to do with their time and they can't be bothered with such activities.
Some people think that engineers using Android are always messing with their phones, when they actually just spend a batch of hours with a new phone setting it up to perfection, then never mess with it for three years. My phone silences automatically when I arrive at certain locations. It lets people know I'm driving when I receive a text (if I'm driving), and I host wifi for all the ipods and ipads in our family when we're on the road (for free), etc., etc. All of this has been set up and working perfectly on my N4 for nearly two years, and I don't know how long it's been since I cracked open a Tasker script -- but it's done and done.
My teenage nephew has an N4 too (in his family of iPhone users). He has his set up perfectly, and never touches it, instead using his free time to win national programming contests, and interview for internships at Apple and Google.
Just because poor people can afford a crappy phone with crappy OS mods, has nothing at all to do with Android's usefulness. Good on Google for creating a system that can be purchased by those below the poverty line so they can have mobile Internet access and loud phone conversations on the bus.
Good on Google for creating a system that can be purchased by those below the poverty line so they can have mobile Internet access and loud phone conversations on the bus.
I don't believe that many of those people should even be allowed to have phones, as they are most likely being subsidized by you and me. They don't do anything important with their phones, I've heard the conversations that many Android people have on their phones, and having a phone is not a human right.
I think it is more data than you have which is to keep repeating a larger iPhone is unusable. Everyone knows all the crap you have been saying about larger iPhones so we will sure see who was right very soon once it goes on sale. So keep rocking with that antique 1st gen iPhone of yours which is less capable than even throw away $50 Android phones at this point and telling youngin's to get off your Mom's lawn since you live with her don't you? It must kill you to think you know Apple so well and they keep failing to heed your sage advice. Bless your heart.
He said it back when the 4s came out.
1. There will be no iphone 5
2. Any bigger screen than the 4s will suck
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There will be no iPhone 5. And I'll still say that it sucks eggs if any future iPhone has a larger screen.
How stupid can these people be? 35% of Android and Windows Phone users don’t even HAVE PHONES LARGER THAN THE IPHONE. As previously stated, perhaps 35% OF larger phone owners (which is roughly 10% of the Android market), but not 35% of their userbase.
It's also 35% of the people who respond to surveys.
I don't believe that many of those people should even be allowed to have phones, as they are most likely being subsidized by you and me. They don't do anything important with their phones, I've heard the conversations that many Android people have on their phones, and having a phone is not a human right.
Surely there's a politics and religion subforum around where people will participate in these types of conversations?
There is no logical reason for any Android owners or owners of other phones to not switch to one of the new, larger iPhone models being released. Besides having a crappy OS, Android has very little unique to offer, unless you count being the king of malware and viruses as being unique.
Apple is gonna kill it with their new iPhones.
It's going to be the most significant iPhone release ever, since the initial iPhone release.
Let's see, what would I rather own?
An Android phone, full of gimmicks and features that don't work properly and being tied into a fragmented, crappy eco system with inferior apps and second rate games that runs on a real shitty and poorly optimized OS?
Or would I rather own an iPhone, which has the best hardware and design, the best and most efficient OS, the knowledge that your phone will be supported for years to come, access to the latest and best apps and games not found elsewhere, superior Apple support should you ever need it, a great security feature called Touch ID which actually works well and so on and so on.
The choice is clear.
There are many Android people out there who are surely regretting their decisions, and a certain percentage of them will no doubt be willing to flee from the hell known as Android, as soon as they get the chance. Who doesn't want to escape from poverty?, because Android is definitely a poor man's phone.
I haven't had to pay for my iPhone since my initial iPhone I just sell my old one on eBay for more than what I paid for it on 2 yr contract.
I put a case on it from day one and sell it with the original headphones.
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3.5" was the best size. Apple did research and told us it was the optimal size.
4" is their phablet category. Do iphone 5 and 5s not understand that?
No one wants a bigger size.
Apple could sway 35% of Android & Windows Phone buyers with bigger iPhone, survey finds
How stupid can these people be? 35% of Android and Windows Phone users don’t even HAVE PHONES LARGER THAN THE IPHONE. As previously stated, perhaps 35% OF larger phone owners (which is roughly 10% of the Android market), but not 35% of their userbase.
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I’m copying this down so that I can keep using it in the future. You think this is “actual data”?!
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Slow and over the plate?
iPhones cost nearly twice as much as a Nexus phone, and offer nothing more for many users. My 12-year-old was given the option to have any smartphone he wanted for his first phone, he chose a Nexus 5, and he's been using various iPod touch versions for years. He pays for the devices himself, and is very good at saving money. He used my Nexus 4 a bunch on trips to compare to his iOS 7 Touch, and very much preferred the open customization possibilities, screen, keyboard, Google Now integration, voice integration, wifi hotspot hosting, etc.
That said, I would not recommend an Android phone to my wife. They are more hands-on, and she is not as technically driven, so an iPhone is a better choice for her. I think this is true across the board -- most of my highly technical friends prefer Android and Windows Phone, and my non-tech friends prefer iPhone.
That's a generalization, but does highlight that some like one, and some like another, and you can throw poop at the wall all you want about it.
Way too anecdotal.
If you want anecdotal, then I have some of my own.
Those techy geeks that you speak of are a tiny minority of Android buyers. The average Android person that I see is not the techy type at all, they are merely poor and/or ignorant. They do not go home and install custom roms on their phone and they do not know that much about tech at all. They just needed a cheap phone and they happened to walk out of the store with an Android phone. That's the average Android phone user, not the techie type.
Do you think that the fat lady (who was most likely on welfare) that I saw on the bus the other day with her three annoying kids, and who was speaking loudly into her Android phone is going to go home and install custom roms later that night? That's the average Android phone user, and that's my anecdotal evidence.
Some people might think that constantly messing with their Android phone and customizing it is a nice hobby, but most people have better things to do with their time and they can't be bothered with such activities.
The text on the graph says "will you consider an iPhone" not "will you buy"
Indeed, but it's just one of the flaws in the rationale behind the article.
There is no mention in the analysis that other data in the survey does not corroborate the '35%' headline. In the first pie-chart only 12% are citing screen size as the reason they do not buy a iPhones.
This must also be weighed up against how many consumers who are currently 100% happy with Apple's existing policy of keeping their smartphones neat, compact and optimised for one handed use, wouldn't then buy a new iPhone if it was substantially bigger. (That's my position).
There is also lack of clarity about the sample for the survey. Is this a US survey, a Canadian one, or worldwide? The first paragraph indicates an American perspective, as Apple is not set 'to capture nearly half the smartphone market in 2014' anywhere else.
My sister-in-law picked up three Samsung Galaxy S4 phones a year and a half ago at the local Costco because they were practically giving them away. By her own admission, cost was the ONLY factor. Two of the three are presently broken and off for repairs. They will be without them for at least 4 weeks! As I told her at the time she bought them, you get what you pay for.
They can't wait for the iPhone 6 this fall and are excited to dump the Galaxy phones.
I hesitate to call them "slow learners", so let's just say that they finally "get it".
They also purchased their first Mac last summer, a 21 inch iMac and love it, so that helps.
Hopefully they've learned their lesson and will never buy Samsung again, or jump at something because of price...
you buy the phone that costs less to do the job you expect it to do.
if all you do is make calls and surf the web and do facebook. you're pretty mobile.
If you happen to need a Android only feature or App, you stay on Android.
Or if you've decided your investment in learning a new mobile OS is completely spent on Kit-Kat on BlahBlah S3 5.38" phone, then you're not moving on.
Personally, I think you're mapping your iOS expectations on Android - "I just need a phone to text people on Facebook" users (which I think is the majority of the buyers... get me a cheap phone that does X, oh... this is less expensive AND has a bigger screen... big is great right? I'll buy it). They don't get new versions of OSes, they don't get phones that upgrade from their previous phones (at least not well). They make point in time purchases. Android sellers are fine with that, as it's the classic 'race to the bottom' for profit margins they are all used to do (Sell now! There is no Tomorrow!) Apple sells an ecosystem and a life experience beyond the 'one app/feature/job' Different buyer.
Honestly, this is not the case. Folks insist on pretending as if Android is still the junk that it was when it was still in the Ice Cream Sandwich and prior iterations. The newer Android releases are capable of running anything that runs on iOS, and not just for casual/entertainment users but even for intensive enterprise applications. Proof: the developers themselves. This data visualization app developer states that their new app for Android is capable of doing 80% of what their iOS app does, and had they used the Google SDK instead of developing their own (which they did because they also want to port the same code to Windows and Tizen later) it would have been 90%. http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobile-technology/yes-you-can-create-rich-android-apps-it-aint-easy-244516
So enough with the claims that are no longer true and have not been for some time, and will become utterly ridiculous down the line. Google has even slowed down their previously very fast upgrade cycle because they have run out of "obvious" things to address. Apple devices being better than Android devices no longer means that Android devices are bad. And this is a good thing, because being better than the Android hardware and OS from 3 years ago like those Motorola Xoom tablets was not exactly an accomplishment. Being better than the Galaxy S4 or the HTC One or the latest Nexus tablet is an accomplishment and speaks more to the superiority of Apple than ruling over a bunch of midgets does.
3.5" was the best size. Apple did research and told us it was the optimal size.
4" is their phablet category. Do iphone 5 and 5s not understand that?
No one wants a bigger size.
Many people disagree...
Including myself. I'm very much looking forward to a bigger screen.
So does gwmac get points for being right? Or should we wait for actual sales data to see if iPhone 6 grabs 35% of the Android market?
How stupid can these people be? 35% of Android and Windows Phone users don’t even HAVE PHONES LARGER THAN THE IPHONE. As previously stated, perhaps 35% OF larger phone owners (which is roughly 10% of the Android market), but not 35% of their userbase.
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I’m copying this down so that I can keep using it in the future. You think this is “actual data”?!
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I think it is more data than you have which is to keep repeating a larger iPhone is unusable. Everyone knows all the crap you have been saying about larger iPhones so we will sure see who was right very soon once it goes on sale. So keep rocking with that antique 1st gen iPhone of yours which is less capable than even throw away $50 Android phones at this point and telling youngin's to get off your Mom's lawn since you live with her don't you? It must kill you to think you know Apple so well and they keep failing to heed your sage advice. Bless your heart.
Way too anecdotal.
If you want anecdotal, then I have some of my own.
Those techy geeks that you speak of are a tiny minority of Android buyers. The average Android person that I see is not the techy type at all, they are merely poor and/or ignorant. They do not go home and install custom roms on their phone and they do not know that much about tech at all. They just needed a cheap phone and they happened to walk out of the store with an Android phone. That's the average Android phone user, not the techie type.
Do you think that the fat lady (who was most likely on welfare) that I saw on the bus the other day with her three annoying kids, and who was speaking loudly into her Android phone is going to go home and install custom roms later that night? That's the average Android phone user, and that's my anecdotal evidence.
Some people might think that constantly messing with their Android phone and customizing it is a nice hobby, but most people have better things to do with their time and they can't be bothered with such activities.
I won't dispute the value shopper component of Android. iPhone has never been for the masses. It's way too expensive.
Some people might think that constantly messing with their Android phone and customizing it is a nice hobby, but most people have better things to do with their time and they can't be bothered with such activities.
Some people think that engineers using Android are always messing with their phones, when they actually just spend a batch of hours with a new phone setting it up to perfection, then never mess with it for three years. My phone silences automatically when I arrive at certain locations. It lets people know I'm driving when I receive a text (if I'm driving), and I host wifi for all the ipods and ipads in our family when we're on the road (for free), etc., etc. All of this has been set up and working perfectly on my N4 for nearly two years, and I don't know how long it's been since I cracked open a Tasker script -- but it's done and done.
My teenage nephew has an N4 too (in his family of iPhone users). He has his set up perfectly, and never touches it, instead using his free time to win national programming contests, and interview for internships at Apple and Google.
Just because poor people can afford a crappy phone with crappy OS mods, has nothing at all to do with Android's usefulness. Good on Google for creating a system that can be purchased by those below the poverty line so they can have mobile Internet access and loud phone conversations on the bus.
Good on Google for creating a system that can be purchased by those below the poverty line so they can have mobile Internet access and loud phone conversations on the bus.
I don't believe that many of those people should even be allowed to have phones, as they are most likely being subsidized by you and me. They don't do anything important with their phones, I've heard the conversations that many Android people have on their phones, and having a phone is not a human right.
I think it is more data than you have which is to keep repeating a larger iPhone is unusable. Everyone knows all the crap you have been saying about larger iPhones so we will sure see who was right very soon once it goes on sale. So keep rocking with that antique 1st gen iPhone of yours which is less capable than even throw away $50 Android phones at this point and telling youngin's to get off your Mom's lawn since you live with her don't you? It must kill you to think you know Apple so well and they keep failing to heed your sage advice. Bless your heart.
He said it back when the 4s came out.
1. There will be no iphone 5
2. Any bigger screen than the 4s will suck
There will be no iPhone 5. And I'll still say that it sucks eggs if any future iPhone has a larger screen.
http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/133483/apple-unveils-iphone-4s-with-a5-cpu-and-4g-like-data-speeds/120#post_1956535
How stupid can these people be? 35% of Android and Windows Phone users don’t even HAVE PHONES LARGER THAN THE IPHONE. As previously stated, perhaps 35% OF larger phone owners (which is roughly 10% of the Android market), but not 35% of their userbase.
It's also 35% of the people who respond to surveys.
Your judgmental attitude towards poverty and weight makes it much easier to identify you as a bigot, not that I had any doubts.
I believe that you are guilty of confusing bigotry with science. There is a definite link between poverty and obesity.
I don't believe that many of those people should even be allowed to have phones, as they are most likely being subsidized by you and me. They don't do anything important with their phones, I've heard the conversations that many Android people have on their phones, and having a phone is not a human right.
Surely there's a politics and religion subforum around where people will participate in these types of conversations?
I haven't had to pay for my iPhone since my initial iPhone I just sell my old one on eBay for more than what I paid for it on 2 yr contract.
I put a case on it from day one and sell it with the original headphones.
Bless your heart.
Again, enjoy your unusable 5.5” piece of garbage. There’s only mockery for people who pretend something that large can fit the bill.
I’ll thank you to stop the other lies, though.
I believe that you are guilty of confusing bigotry with science. There is a definite link between poverty and obesity.
How about the science of the dictionary?
bigot: : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
How about the science of the dictionary?
bigot: : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
According to that definition, practically everybody on the internet is a bigot.