If $80 is such a hardship you should have purchased an Android. Batteries die. It happens. Deal with it
Let's see, on the low end you pay $650 for an iPhone and EXPECT to get the best quality phone in existence. Apple praises the quality of their products, engineering, and manufacturing quite a bit and because of that its reasonable to expect that this product will last much longer than a year. They also boast about their battery technology as being the best tech our there. And now you want to say that we are unreasonable to expect the best products for our hard-earned money?
I predict two things: you didn't work for your money and yet somehow you have plenty of it.
I predict two things: you didn't work for your money and yet somehow you have plenty of it.
Or he/she is a member of the generation of 20-30 year olds and places no value on money. Their full paycheck is spent just in time to receive the next one, without a dime to spare.
Me? I'm a 'tweener. Halfway between that generation and my depression-era parents who taught me to live within my means, save for a rainy day and invest for my retirement. I think it gives me the mindset that allows the best of both worlds; I buy the best-in-class products, spend as little as possible on those things….which allows me to spend more on the things I want….and still allows me to take what's leftover to save for a rainy day and also fund my retirement.
I employ a few ~25 year old guys that will not own a house or have a pot to piss in by age 40….unless they win the lottery.
Or he/she is a member of the generation of 20-30 year olds and places no value on money. Their full paycheck is spent just in time to receive the next one, without a dime to spare.
Me? I'm a 'tweener. Halfway between that generation and my depression-era parents who taught me to live within my means, save for a rainy day and invest for my retirement. I think it gives me the mindset that allows the best of both worlds; I buy the best-in-class products, spend as little as possible on those things….which allows me to spend more on the things I want….and still allows me to take what's leftover to save for a rainy day and also fund my retirement.
I employ a few ~25 year old guys that will not own a house or have a pot to piss in by age 40….unless they win the lottery.
At 32 I am part of that generation. Yet I do watch my money, own property, and buy products that last. The rest of my younger siblings value money similarly. This guy obviously didn't grow up the way I did and doesn't value the hard work it take to earn the money to buy high priced things.
What people need to do is look at the value of something compared to what you have to give up for it. In the case of an iPhone, assuming someone earns $25/hour, that means that after taxes you devoted all of your earning for over 4 days just for a phone. $80 for a new battery . . . that comes out to you making $104 at your job to buy something that shouldn't have gone bad in the first place. So that's not an $80 battery, it's over $100 and 4 hours of your day that you're essentially penalized for someone else's defect.
That seems wrong to me. A defective battery with relatively few full charges should not fall under the standard "bumper-to-bumper" warranty. I would try again and explain the issue as well as look irritated, be a little louder than normal and use aggravated hand gestures while also trying to get them to empathizes with you. Also, you may want to not wear nice clothes when you go in.
Actually, you may want to send an attractive female friend in to take care of the problem. As "unfair" as it may seem, I know of just such a person who had their phone replaced several times for free by an Apple Store Genius even though the phone damage was clearly her fault. ???? Not kidding, BTW.
If true, it's not good enough. Apple are pushing thinness way too far ahead of usability. Sure you can make it last 8 hours if you just use Safari, Mail, text, basic apps, music and video but anything with GPS kills the battery in no time. Those "dating" apps that show people near you are a classic culprit. You're lucky to get 2-3 hours battery life using those things. Navigation and frequent use of Maps runs the battery down too, just when you likely need the phone the most (such as visiting a foreign city).
Seriously, I'd be happy with a 4.7" iPhone 4 design with the stainless steel band, much bigger battery and I don't give a crap about the weight!
Assuming the predictable avalanche of part leaks are accurate, I don't even like the thinner iPhone 3G/3GS-style volume rockers...much prefer the iPhone 4/5-era round buttons.
Hell, even if I wan't addicted to dating apps I still wouldn't mind 16 hours of normal usage. 1800/1500 mAmp improvement with a bigger screen isn't good enough and ain't gonna cut it, so I'm still gonna have to carry a spare battery almost everywhere I go.
In Apple's marketing bullshit you always here Ive saying design and form follows function, but here is evidence to the contrary.
If true, it's not good enough. Apple are pushing thinness way too far ahead of usability. <span style="line-height:1.4em;">Sure you </span>
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<span style="line-height:1.4em;"> make it last 8 hours if you just use Safari, Mail, text, basic apps, music and video but anything with GPS kills the battery in no time. Those "dating" apps that show people near you are a classic culprit. You're lucky to get 2-3 hours battery life using</span>
those<span style="line-height:1.4em;"> things. Navigation and frequent use of Maps runs the battery down too, just when you likely need the phone the most (such as visiting a foreign city).</span>
Seriously, I'd be happy with a 4.7" iPhone 4 design with the stainless steel band, much bigger battery and I don't give a crap about the weight!
Assuming the predictable avalanche of part leaks are accurate, I don't even like the thinner iPhone 3G/3GS-style volume rockers...much prefer the iPhone 4/5-era round buttons.
Hell, even if I wan't addicted to dating apps I still wouldn't mind 16 hours of normal usage. 1800/1500 mAmp improvement with a bigger screen isn't good enough and ain't gonna cut it, so I'm still gonna have to carry a spare battery almost everywhere I go.
In Apple's marketing bullshit you always here Ive saying design and form follows function, but here is evidence to the contrary.
Things go wrong with electronics. Deal with it. I mean seriously. You are wiling to pay $700-$900 for a phone, willing to pay $100 a month on a your phone service, yet are not willing to pay $80 to replace the battery!
Batteries die. Its a FACT of life. No matter how well they are made. Its a consumable item. The guy probably got unlucky since most people's battery last 3 years or more.
Just because something is expensive and high quality does not mean it should last forever or a company needs to warranty it forever. The Mercedes-Benz S class is considered the best car in the world. Yet its warranty only covers 50,000 miles. Just deal with it.
Again if you can't deal with $80 battery changes go buy an Android for $100. Then you can easily change the battery yourself for $20.
If you want to PLAY you need to PAY.
So since I was unlucky I should suck it up. Sorry, I'm not ok with that answer. If Apple is going to seal the battery in the phone so I cannot, without a lot of trouble, fix or replace it myself, then they should be more understanding when, according to their troubleshooting/testing, a battery shows signs it was failing while still under warranty. Apple knows the battery has a certain life span and if 95% of iPhone users are getting 3 years or more of good use, then the other 5% obviously received batteries that had a manufacturing problem. Especially when my phone is in perfect condition, otherwise, with no water damage or evidence that I dropped it. I could see if evidence points to me abusing my phone but that's not the case so I feel like I got a lemon.
Using your analogy, if you brought your $100K M-B S class to the dealer @ 51,200 miles for a failed timing belt, which isn't due to be changed until 100K according to M-B's service schedule, and they say: "Sorry buddy, you're 1200 miles out of warranty", are you going to be ok with that? If so, you're a complete fool.
You may think your opinion is correct and if the same happened to you, you sound like you would be perfectly happy, with a huge smile, doling out $80 for a new battery. You may argue that an $80 battery doesn't compare to a $4K timing belt job, and you're right. But remember my original argument was about the principle and not the cash. Same applies here.
I bet a quick survey would tell quite a different sentiment amongst other iPhone users; iPhone users, like myself, that can easily afford $80.
This is worrying, there are phones out there which is as slim as the iPhone 6 ( if it is 7mm ) and offers even larger battery capacity. I know it depends on software etc... But purely on technical spec, this doesn't sounds good.
But what would that matter if the tests indicated the battery is adequate and more than competitive, and that they'd worked out a phone architecture that's just more efficient than your average Android or Windows phone due to some clever use of the on-board processor(s)? For one we haven't seen any benchmarks, tests or anything, and another, this should battery size should still be classed as a 'rumour' or possibility until Apple confirms anyway, so I wouldn't be "worrying" just right now.
Again, aside from phone sex workers and people addicted to cat videos on Youtube, burning through an entire battery in a morning is out of the ordinary.
So you think MB is fixing your timing belt for free out of warranty? Not going to happen. A timing belt like breaks is a wear and tear item. Just like a battery.
There is a very good reason why Apple seals the battery in the iphone.
If my battery died out of warranty I would gladly pay the $80 to replace it. I don't expect batteries to last forever and neither should you.
So you think MB is fixing your timing belt for free out of warranty? Not going to happen. A timing belt like breaks is a wear and tear item. Just like a battery.
There is a very good reason why Apple seals the battery in the iphone.
If my battery died out of warranty I would gladly pay the $80 to replace it. I don't expect batteries to last forever and neither should you.
I call bullshit, just so you can save face, but, whatever.
So you drop $100+K on premium vehicle, the timing belt breaks 1200 miles out of warranty (when the normal service interval is 100K miles and hypothetically 100 of your friends that bought the same vehicle had no problem) and you'll happily pay the dealer $4K to fix it without even questioning? How about if you happen to be unlucky and the belt snaps while cruising @ 4000 RPM and you throw valves that smash through the pistons, requiring a new engine for $25K?
You're a better man than me, but, IMO, a fool, nonetheless. Plus, you're P.T. Barnum's favorite kind of guy.
I just happen to know from first hand experience that Mercedes would honor the warranty, which is why I am a loyal customer. Mine was a different issue but they hook it up to the computer and look for abuse. If they see the engine's tach maxed out habitually, they wouldn't honor it, even if the belt snapped 1 mile out of warranty. If they see normal usage, my dealer confided with me that all Mercedes dealers would honor things like timing belt failure (plus the alternator, A/C compressors {which is what failed in my car}, engine controller, cruise module, entertainment/nav system etc.) up to about 70K miles. Their reasoning is that Mercedes builds things to last and those items usually only fail due to abuse or poor workmanship, with the latter being unacceptable to them. It's an unwritten company policy; the same type of unwritten warranty policy that Apple once practiced. But it's this type of policy that keeps customers happy and coming back.
Lastly, besides the back-side aesthetics (which is hidden by the cases most people use, rendering that a moot point), please enlighten me as to the very good reason why Apple seals the battery in the iPhone.
I call bullshit, just so you can save face, but, whatever.
So you drop $100+K on premium vehicle, the timing belt breaks 1200 miles out of warranty (when the normal service interval is 100K miles and hypothetically 100 of your friends that bought the same vehicle had no problem) and you'll happily pay the dealer $4K to fix it without even questioning? How about if you happen to be unlucky and the belt snaps while cruising @ 4000 RPM and you throw valves that smash through the pistons, requiring a new engine for $25K?
You're a better man than me, but, IMO, a fool, nonetheless. Plus, you're P.T. Barnum's favorite kind of guy.
I just happen to know from first hand experience that Mercedes would honor the warranty, which is why I am a loyal customer. Mine was a different issue but they hook it up to the computer and look for abuse. If they see the engine's tach maxed out habitually, they wouldn't honor it, even if the belt snapped 1 mile out of warranty. If they see normal usage, my dealer confided with me that all Mercedes dealers would honor things like timing belt failure (plus the alternator, A/C compressors {which is what failed in my car}, engine controller, cruise module, entertainment/nav system etc.) up to about 70K miles. Their reasoning is that Mercedes builds things to last and those items usually only fail due to abuse or poor workmanship, with the latter being unacceptable to them. It's an unwritten company policy; the same type of unwritten warranty policy that Apple once practiced. But it's this type of policy that keeps customers happy and coming back.
Lastly, besides the back-side aesthetics (which is hidden by the cases most people use, rendering that point moot), please enlighten me as to the very good reason why Apple seals the battery in the iPhone.
Defective components don't fall under the standard warranty. We've seen with automobiles that they've had recalls long after the standard 3 year warranty was over. I'm not just talking about safety issues but other things like defective paint jobs.
Defective components don't fall under the standard warranty. We've seen with automobiles that they've had recalls long after the standard 3 year warranty was over. I'm not just talking about safety issues but other things like defective paint jobs.
I don't feel this a wide-spread problem. Could be a single batch problem or an anomaly but there is clearly a problem with my battery. My original iPhone (1st gen, a 7 year old phone) still has a longer battery life than my present iPhone 5.
If true, it's not good enough. Apple are pushing thinness way too far ahead of usability. <span style="line-height:1.4em;">Sure you </span>
<em style="line-height:1.4em;">can</em>
<span style="line-height:1.4em;"> make it last 8 hours if you just use Safari, Mail, text, basic apps, music and video but anything with GPS kills the battery in no time. Those "dating" apps that show people near you are a classic culprit. You're lucky to get 2-3 hours battery life using</span>
those<span style="line-height:1.4em;"> things. Navigation and frequent use of Maps runs the battery down too, just when you likely need the phone the most (such as visiting a foreign city).</span>
Seriously, I'd be happy with a 4.7" iPhone 4 design with the stainless steel band, much bigger battery and I don't give a crap about the weight!
Assuming the predictable avalanche of part leaks are accurate, I don't even like the thinner iPhone 3G/3GS-style volume rockers...much prefer the iPhone 4/5-era round buttons.
Hell, even if I wan't addicted to dating apps I still wouldn't mind 16 hours of normal usage. 1800/1500 mAmp improvement with a bigger screen isn't good enough and ain't gonna cut it, so I'm still gonna have to carry a spare battery almost everywhere I go.
In Apple's marketing bullshit you always here Ive saying design and form follows function, but here is evidence to the contrary.
Sounds as though you need to brush up on your dating skills, so you don't need to keep using dating apps.
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Just pay the $80 for new battery.
If $80 is such a hardship you should have purchased an Android. Batteries die. It happens. Deal with it
Let's see, on the low end you pay $650 for an iPhone and EXPECT to get the best quality phone in existence. Apple praises the quality of their products, engineering, and manufacturing quite a bit and because of that its reasonable to expect that this product will last much longer than a year. They also boast about their battery technology as being the best tech our there. And now you want to say that we are unreasonable to expect the best products for our hard-earned money?
I predict two things: you didn't work for your money and yet somehow you have plenty of it.
I predict two things: you didn't work for your money and yet somehow you have plenty of it.
Or he/she is a member of the generation of 20-30 year olds and places no value on money. Their full paycheck is spent just in time to receive the next one, without a dime to spare.
Me? I'm a 'tweener. Halfway between that generation and my depression-era parents who taught me to live within my means, save for a rainy day and invest for my retirement. I think it gives me the mindset that allows the best of both worlds; I buy the best-in-class products, spend as little as possible on those things….which allows me to spend more on the things I want….and still allows me to take what's leftover to save for a rainy day and also fund my retirement.
I employ a few ~25 year old guys that will not own a house or have a pot to piss in by age 40….unless they win the lottery.
Or he/she is a member of the generation of 20-30 year olds and places no value on money. Their full paycheck is spent just in time to receive the next one, without a dime to spare.
Me? I'm a 'tweener. Halfway between that generation and my depression-era parents who taught me to live within my means, save for a rainy day and invest for my retirement. I think it gives me the mindset that allows the best of both worlds; I buy the best-in-class products, spend as little as possible on those things….which allows me to spend more on the things I want….and still allows me to take what's leftover to save for a rainy day and also fund my retirement.
I employ a few ~25 year old guys that will not own a house or have a pot to piss in by age 40….unless they win the lottery.
At 32 I am part of that generation. Yet I do watch my money, own property, and buy products that last. The rest of my younger siblings value money similarly. This guy obviously didn't grow up the way I did and doesn't value the hard work it take to earn the money to buy high priced things.
What people need to do is look at the value of something compared to what you have to give up for it. In the case of an iPhone, assuming someone earns $25/hour, that means that after taxes you devoted all of your earning for over 4 days just for a phone. $80 for a new battery . . . that comes out to you making $104 at your job to buy something that shouldn't have gone bad in the first place. So that's not an $80 battery, it's over $100 and 4 hours of your day that you're essentially penalized for someone else's defect.
Actually, you may want to send an attractive female friend in to take care of the problem. As "unfair" as it may seem, I know of just such a person who had their phone replaced several times for free by an Apple Store Genius even though the phone damage was clearly her fault. ???? Not kidding, BTW.
If true, it's not good enough. Apple are pushing thinness way too far ahead of usability. Sure you can make it last 8 hours if you just use Safari, Mail, text, basic apps, music and video but anything with GPS kills the battery in no time. Those "dating" apps that show people near you are a classic culprit. You're lucky to get 2-3 hours battery life using those things. Navigation and frequent use of Maps runs the battery down too, just when you likely need the phone the most (such as visiting a foreign city).
Seriously, I'd be happy with a 4.7" iPhone 4 design with the stainless steel band, much bigger battery and I don't give a crap about the weight!
Assuming the predictable avalanche of part leaks are accurate, I don't even like the thinner iPhone 3G/3GS-style volume rockers...much prefer the iPhone 4/5-era round buttons.
Hell, even if I wan't addicted to dating apps I still wouldn't mind 16 hours of normal usage. 1800/1500 mAmp improvement with a bigger screen isn't good enough and ain't gonna cut it, so I'm still gonna have to carry a spare battery almost everywhere I go.
In Apple's marketing bullshit you always here Ive saying design and form follows function, but here is evidence to the contrary.
No.
Things go wrong with electronics. Deal with it. I mean seriously. You are wiling to pay $700-$900 for a phone, willing to pay $100 a month on a your phone service, yet are not willing to pay $80 to replace the battery!
Batteries die. Its a FACT of life. No matter how well they are made. Its a consumable item. The guy probably got unlucky since most people's battery last 3 years or more.
Just because something is expensive and high quality does not mean it should last forever or a company needs to warranty it forever. The Mercedes-Benz S class is considered the best car in the world. Yet its warranty only covers 50,000 miles. Just deal with it.
Again if you can't deal with $80 battery changes go buy an Android for $100. Then you can easily change the battery yourself for $20.
If you want to PLAY you need to PAY.
So since I was unlucky I should suck it up. Sorry, I'm not ok with that answer. If Apple is going to seal the battery in the phone so I cannot, without a lot of trouble, fix or replace it myself, then they should be more understanding when, according to their troubleshooting/testing, a battery shows signs it was failing while still under warranty. Apple knows the battery has a certain life span and if 95% of iPhone users are getting 3 years or more of good use, then the other 5% obviously received batteries that had a manufacturing problem. Especially when my phone is in perfect condition, otherwise, with no water damage or evidence that I dropped it. I could see if evidence points to me abusing my phone but that's not the case so I feel like I got a lemon.
Using your analogy, if you brought your $100K M-B S class to the dealer @ 51,200 miles for a failed timing belt, which isn't due to be changed until 100K according to M-B's service schedule, and they say: "Sorry buddy, you're 1200 miles out of warranty", are you going to be ok with that? If so, you're a complete fool.
You may think your opinion is correct and if the same happened to you, you sound like you would be perfectly happy, with a huge smile, doling out $80 for a new battery. You may argue that an $80 battery doesn't compare to a $4K timing belt job, and you're right. But remember my original argument was about the principle and not the cash. Same applies here.
I bet a quick survey would tell quite a different sentiment amongst other iPhone users; iPhone users, like myself, that can easily afford $80.
Hell, even if I wan't addicted to dating apps I still wouldn't mind 16 hours of normal usage.
Read that as "surfing porn"
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This is worrying, there are phones out there which is as slim as the iPhone 6 ( if it is 7mm ) and offers even larger battery capacity. I know it depends on software etc... But purely on technical spec, this doesn't sounds good.
But what would that matter if the tests indicated the battery is adequate and more than competitive, and that they'd worked out a phone architecture that's just more efficient than your average Android or Windows phone due to some clever use of the on-board processor(s)? For one we haven't seen any benchmarks, tests or anything, and another, this should battery size should still be classed as a 'rumour' or possibility until Apple confirms anyway, so I wouldn't be "worrying" just right now.
How many phone sex operators use iPhones?
If you used your phone more than you pick your nose you would probably find that the battery doesn't last all day.
All this delay and THAT'S what you have?
Again, aside from phone sex workers and people addicted to cat videos on Youtube, burning through an entire battery in a morning is out of the ordinary.
So you think MB is fixing your timing belt for free out of warranty? Not going to happen. A timing belt like breaks is a wear and tear item. Just like a battery.
There is a very good reason why Apple seals the battery in the iphone.
If my battery died out of warranty I would gladly pay the $80 to replace it. I don't expect batteries to last forever and neither should you.
Hence the meaning and implication of "warranty".
So you think MB is fixing your timing belt for free out of warranty? Not going to happen. A timing belt like breaks is a wear and tear item. Just like a battery.
There is a very good reason why Apple seals the battery in the iphone.
If my battery died out of warranty I would gladly pay the $80 to replace it. I don't expect batteries to last forever and neither should you.
I call bullshit, just so you can save face, but, whatever.
So you drop $100+K on premium vehicle, the timing belt breaks 1200 miles out of warranty (when the normal service interval is 100K miles and hypothetically 100 of your friends that bought the same vehicle had no problem) and you'll happily pay the dealer $4K to fix it without even questioning? How about if you happen to be unlucky and the belt snaps while cruising @ 4000 RPM and you throw valves that smash through the pistons, requiring a new engine for $25K?
You're a better man than me, but, IMO, a fool, nonetheless. Plus, you're P.T. Barnum's favorite kind of guy.
I just happen to know from first hand experience that Mercedes would honor the warranty, which is why I am a loyal customer. Mine was a different issue but they hook it up to the computer and look for abuse. If they see the engine's tach maxed out habitually, they wouldn't honor it, even if the belt snapped 1 mile out of warranty. If they see normal usage, my dealer confided with me that all Mercedes dealers would honor things like timing belt failure (plus the alternator, A/C compressors {which is what failed in my car}, engine controller, cruise module, entertainment/nav system etc.) up to about 70K miles. Their reasoning is that Mercedes builds things to last and those items usually only fail due to abuse or poor workmanship, with the latter being unacceptable to them. It's an unwritten company policy; the same type of unwritten warranty policy that Apple once practiced. But it's this type of policy that keeps customers happy and coming back.
Lastly, besides the back-side aesthetics (which is hidden by the cases most people use, rendering that a moot point), please enlighten me as to the very good reason why Apple seals the battery in the iPhone.
Defective components don't fall under the standard warranty. We've seen with automobiles that they've had recalls long after the standard 3 year warranty was over. I'm not just talking about safety issues but other things like defective paint jobs.
Defective components don't fall under the standard warranty. We've seen with automobiles that they've had recalls long after the standard 3 year warranty was over. I'm not just talking about safety issues but other things like defective paint jobs.
I don't feel this a wide-spread problem. Could be a single batch problem or an anomaly but there is clearly a problem with my battery. My original iPhone (1st gen, a 7 year old phone) still has a longer battery life than my present iPhone 5.
Sounds as though you need to brush up on your dating skills, so you don't need to keep using dating apps.