You don't think there are any consequences to an increasing planetary population?
Ebola, AIDS and other not yet known or discovered diseases will take care of those extra people. Nature has a fine way of dealing with populations of various things when they become too numerous, be it animals, or humans.
The population explosion is also mostly happening in third world places, where people are ignorant and have no common sense. Nature will set them straight.
The chief argument for those who deny that the Earth's climate could be adversely affected by human activity, is that there is no scientific proof whatsoever. Ironically, these are generally the same people who believe there is a god, a savior and a heaven despite the same lack of scientific evidence.
I don't believe in any god, and also, many of those "climate change" slobs that are marching are more religious than actual religious people. They're ignorant, they're fanatical, they believe in unproven science and propaganda, and they're tools for marching around like hypocritical ignoramuses. Their made up cause is their religion.
The whole idiotic movement could have saved a whole bunch of fossil fuels by merely staying home.
Here's a picture of Al Gore, Apple's embarrassment, marching in the event.
OMG, wow. Just wow. Poverty does not equate to stupidity. People in third world countries are not "ignorant" nor do they lack "common sense". You on the other hand seem to be cursed with both.
Ebola, AIDS and other not yet known or discovered diseases will take care of those extra people. Nature has a fine way of dealing with populations of various things when they become too numerous, be it animals, or humans.
The population explosion is also mostly happening in third world places, where people are ignorant and have no common sense. Nature will set them straight.
I seriously don't even know.
Are you trying to be funny? Are you trying to troll? I don't even. Even the few things you've posted as factual information have been wildly inaccurate.
The chief argument for those who deny that the Earth's climate could be adversely affected by human activity, is that there is no scientific proof whatsoever. Ironically, these are generally the same people who believe there is a god, a savior and a heaven despite the same lack of scientific evidence.
God's flatulence is the cause of climate change. Heavy drinking sessions are what causes floods.
There's evidence that climate change is happening presented here:
The core issue is how much is caused by human activity and is it possible to take effective measures to reduce the impact. There's an article here about the human impact:
They need to do more studies on where CO2 is coming from and how it's removed so there's a spacecraft that's been launched this year to run some tests:
Oh, it's quite easy to be optimistic about climate change. The shift of terms from a hysterical "global warming" to a more benign "climate change" hints that the latter ended some seventeen years ago. We've now had more recent years with flat temperatures than rising ones.
The only credible risk is that sun seems to be hinting we might be entering another period like the prolonged sunspot minimum called the Maunder Minimum (1645-1715).
That means a serious cooling trend, one in which carbon in the air will be a plus. Keep in mind this means really cold. Climatologist call that period the Little Ice Age. The Thames often froze over thickly enough the city held fairs out on the ice.
That failure is to be expected. Every other scientific hysteria had been contrived to put in place a political agenda. Why should this one be any different? The population explosion hysteria of the late 1960s, for instance, was to get abortion legalized. And as the opening paragraph of Roe v. Wade hints, that was for "eugenic" purposes with "racial overtones." Think little black babies.
The more recent climate hysteria was to get global controls in everything from industry to personal life. Essentially, with the fall of the USSR, the Old Reds became the New Greens, with the usual crowd of clueless fellow travelers.
Their attempt at a global regulatory agenda has clearly failed. The movement has degenerated into little more than the Obama administration's crony capitalist subsides for solar plants and wind factories. Global warming has morphed into crooked politics.
Tim Cook may actually be making smart marketing moves. He seems to be playing this hysteria in ways that help the sale of Apple products without imposing any real costs on the company or demanding any real lifestyle changes on upscale consumers.
Your iPhone, which probably contains as much aluminum as a couple of cans of pop, is recycled, so you can take that 6,000-mile vacation without feeling a twinge of guilty for Mother Earth.
Yes, that makes no sense, but none of these hysterias made sense. Fears about feeble-minded immigrants hit their peak just as one of those groups, East European Jews, was exploding out of poverty and swamping our major universities. And the 'Population Bomb' was championed just as the pill sent (white) birthrates plummeting throughout the developed world.
Fear is a common technique to get people to abandon their reasoning facilities. For those of us who don't scare easily, is all seems silly. The only real thing to worry about is what crooked politicians may do with our money before it fades away.
--Michael W. Perry, editor of Eugenics and Other Evils (one of those scientific hysterias)
I know what you're saying but I don't think it's 'completely removed'. Developing more efficient and sustainable technologies and processes can cater to both sides of the argument?
I know what you're saying but I don't think it's 'completely removed'. Developing more efficient and sustainable technologies and processes can cater to both sides of the argument?
The development of said technologies could quite easily entail (or result in) the opposite of what the global warming movement desires.
Ensuring that chlorine doesn’t make its way into the aquifer from which your potable water is drawn and wanting the roadside to be free of garbage doesn’t have much to do with solar/human/earthly output of [insert gaseous element/molecule here].
One thing he needs to address is how to reconcile reducing carbon output with shipping the vast majority of their products through airplanes from China to North America and Western Europe. That said, capitalism has done more than its share to improve the environment. Fracking, as controversial as it is, is responsible for reducing US carbon emissions to levels last seen in 1994. We need to make sure it doesn't have other unintended consequences, but generally speaking it is a part of making us more green while maintaining profitability and making energy more affordable.
Climate change deniers are like those people who steadfastly held on to the geocentric view of the universe until the very end. The studies are there and the evidence is strong and undeniable. Unfortunately, the stakes are much higher now and the future of the planet hangs in the balance. If we didn't accept heliocentrism, humanity can still live on. If we don't do anything about climate change, then humanity will probably become extinct.
The trouble with the “climate change” movement is that, at its core, it is an anti-capitalist, socialist political movement.
It is truly silly to blame science for what 'movements' do. The evidence is what it is. What people choose to believe, and how they choose to use/express it in the political/social arena has nothing to do with what the evidence is.
Climate change and global warming are one in the same. There is no bait and switch. People stopped calling it global warming because stupid people kept saying, "Its not getting warmer out, its snowing outside". Global warming does not mean every day from here on out will be increasingly hotter than the day before. LOL Stupid people. Can't live with them, can't kill them all.
That's the kind of attitude that gets you killed when a revolution starts. Right, the people are too stupid to know what to do. Elitists like yourself are the only ones competent to rule the world. How generous of you to help us ignorant fools survive. Actually you sound just like the Android crowd who's mantra is that only stupiud people buy Apple products. But then you know best I guess.
I am a big Apple fan, and I am always prepared to slay a Fandroid or two, when needed, but sorry, I don't buy into this "climate change" baloney. There are far greater problems and concerns to deal with.
And by the way, that climate change march in New York City was attended by hypocritical, dirty slobs who left behind vast amounts of garbage everywhere that they went. Screw those people and their "cause". And whatever happened to "global warming"? They changed their propaganda and now it's all about "climate change"!
More energy efficient processors and the like are a good thing, because they allow for greater battery life on mobile devices, but I am against "green" products in general.
1) Global problems are not mutually exclusive to deal with. Ultimately, we will deal with this issue -- as with any other mega-issue -- only if it makes long-run economic sense to do so. (In this particular case even more so, since corporations will be solution in the long run. Too long to go into why, but we get the gist from Cook's response.)
2) You're confusing cause and effect. AGW is the potential cause of all sorts of changes to earth's systems, including climate. Hence 'climate change.' It's simply like saying that if you're a 'conservative' you're likely to be a Republican (and 'liberal,' a Democrat), but to call someone a Republican is not 'propaganda.'
3) It really does not matter whether you dislike labels such as 'green' (actually I dislike that label too): as long as you're for things like greater energy efficiency, you're on the right side whether you know/like it or not.
The core issue is how much is caused by human activity and is it possible to take effective measures to reduce the impact. There's an article here about the human impact:
They need to do more studies on where CO2 is coming from and how it's removed so there's a spacecraft that's been launched this year to run some tests:
This is down to coal burning. Regardless of the magnitude of the effect on temperature, we all benefit from clean air and sustainable energy.
Interesting that you bring up that Chinese video. China has absolutely no intention of following any Western initiatives for cleaner energy. Along with China, India will become one the world's most polluting economies. You think pressure from the West will influence the totalitarian government of China to "think green?" Also funny is how organizations like Greenpeace seem to ignore China, Russia, Iran, and all the other totalitarian governments who would execute or imprison them if they showed up in those regions.
As long as I don't have to pay for Apple's climate change nonsense let them do whatever they want. The minute they start having to raise prices to fund their green agenda then you'll see people voting with their wallets.
It's core to their values as a company. If you buy Apple products, you are paying for it.
I am SOOOOO worried about a revolution here in America. And yes, the people are too stupid to know what to do. Far too stupid. That doesn't mean they have to remain stupid or that they don't have the capabilities to not be stupid. But currently a vast majority of my fellow Americans are stupid. Maybe ignorant is a better word, your call, I don't care. I understand what you mean by elitist, or what you are trying to infer, but I am more of an elitists elitist, thank you very much. If you are going to be stupid, fine, be stupid, but for the sake of society, know that you are stupid and quit electing people that remind you of yourself.... because, remember, YOU ARE STUPID!
It is truly silly to blame science for what 'movements' do. The evidence is what it is. What people choose to believe, and how they choose to use/express it in the political/social arena has nothing to do with what the evidence is.
The chief argument for those who deny that the Earth's climate could be adversely affected by human activity, is that there is no scientific proof whatsoever. Ironically, these are generally the same people who believe there is a god, a savior and a heaven despite the same lack of scientific evidence.
There is another common denominator I see, they also seem to believe everything Murdoch's news organization puts out (i use the tern 'news' lightly), be it the US, UK or Australia. To understand his intent, follow the money.
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You don't think there are any consequences to an increasing planetary population?
Ebola, AIDS and other not yet known or discovered diseases will take care of those extra people. Nature has a fine way of dealing with populations of various things when they become too numerous, be it animals, or humans.
The population explosion is also mostly happening in third world places, where people are ignorant and have no common sense. Nature will set them straight.
The chief argument for those who deny that the Earth's climate could be adversely affected by human activity, is that there is no scientific proof whatsoever. Ironically, these are generally the same people who believe there is a god, a savior and a heaven despite the same lack of scientific evidence.
I don't believe in any god, and also, many of those "climate change" slobs that are marching are more religious than actual religious people. They're ignorant, they're fanatical, they believe in unproven science and propaganda, and they're tools for marching around like hypocritical ignoramuses. Their made up cause is their religion.
The whole idiotic movement could have saved a whole bunch of fossil fuels by merely staying home.
Here's a picture of Al Gore, Apple's embarrassment, marching in the event.
OMG, wow. Just wow. Poverty does not equate to stupidity. People in third world countries are not "ignorant" nor do they lack "common sense". You on the other hand seem to be cursed with both.
Ebola, AIDS and other not yet known or discovered diseases will take care of those extra people. Nature has a fine way of dealing with populations of various things when they become too numerous, be it animals, or humans.
The population explosion is also mostly happening in third world places, where people are ignorant and have no common sense. Nature will set them straight.
I seriously don't even know.
Are you trying to be funny? Are you trying to troll? I don't even. Even the few things you've posted as factual information have been wildly inaccurate.
Ugh.
God's flatulence is the cause of climate change. Heavy drinking sessions are what causes floods.
There's evidence that climate change is happening presented here:
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
The core issue is how much is caused by human activity and is it possible to take effective measures to reduce the impact. There's an article here about the human impact:
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=2001
They need to do more studies on where CO2 is coming from and how it's removed so there's a spacecraft that's been launched this year to run some tests:
http://www.nasa.gov/jpl/oco2/carbon-counter-20140811
If we look at the largest CO2 producer China, you can see with your own eyes the man-made pollution:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/25/china-toxic-air-pollution-nuclear-winter-scientists
This is down to coal burning. Regardless of the magnitude of the effect on temperature, we all benefit from clean air and sustainable energy.
The only credible risk is that sun seems to be hinting we might be entering another period like the prolonged sunspot minimum called the Maunder Minimum (1645-1715).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum
That means a serious cooling trend, one in which carbon in the air will be a plus. Keep in mind this means really cold. Climatologist call that period the Little Ice Age. The Thames often froze over thickly enough the city held fairs out on the ice.
That failure is to be expected. Every other scientific hysteria had been contrived to put in place a political agenda. Why should this one be any different? The population explosion hysteria of the late 1960s, for instance, was to get abortion legalized. And as the opening paragraph of Roe v. Wade hints, that was for "eugenic" purposes with "racial overtones." Think little black babies.
The more recent climate hysteria was to get global controls in everything from industry to personal life. Essentially, with the fall of the USSR, the Old Reds became the New Greens, with the usual crowd of clueless fellow travelers.
Their attempt at a global regulatory agenda has clearly failed. The movement has degenerated into little more than the Obama administration's crony capitalist subsides for solar plants and wind factories. Global warming has morphed into crooked politics.
Tim Cook may actually be making smart marketing moves. He seems to be playing this hysteria in ways that help the sale of Apple products without imposing any real costs on the company or demanding any real lifestyle changes on upscale consumers.
Your iPhone, which probably contains as much aluminum as a couple of cans of pop, is recycled, so you can take that 6,000-mile vacation without feeling a twinge of guilty for Mother Earth.
Yes, that makes no sense, but none of these hysterias made sense. Fears about feeble-minded immigrants hit their peak just as one of those groups, East European Jews, was exploding out of poverty and swamping our major universities. And the 'Population Bomb' was championed just as the pill sent (white) birthrates plummeting throughout the developed world.
Fear is a common technique to get people to abandon their reasoning facilities. For those of us who don't scare easily, is all seems silly. The only real thing to worry about is what crooked politicians may do with our money before it fades away.
--Michael W. Perry, editor of Eugenics and Other Evils (one of those scientific hysterias)
I know what you're saying but I don't think it's 'completely removed'. Developing more efficient and sustainable technologies and processes can cater to both sides of the argument?
The development of said technologies could quite easily entail (or result in) the opposite of what the global warming movement desires.
Ensuring that chlorine doesn’t make its way into the aquifer from which your potable water is drawn and wanting the roadside to be free of garbage doesn’t have much to do with solar/human/earthly output of [insert gaseous element/molecule here].
I can't believe that people believe this stupidity...
You mean your post?
Climate change deniers are like those people who steadfastly held on to the geocentric view of the universe until the very end. The studies are there and the evidence is strong and undeniable. Unfortunately, the stakes are much higher now and the future of the planet hangs in the balance. If we didn't accept heliocentrism, humanity can still live on. If we don't do anything about climate change, then humanity will probably become extinct.
The trouble with the “climate change” movement is that, at its core, it is an anti-capitalist, socialist political movement.
It is truly silly to blame science for what 'movements' do. The evidence is what it is. What people choose to believe, and how they choose to use/express it in the political/social arena has nothing to do with what the evidence is.
That's the kind of attitude that gets you killed when a revolution starts. Right, the people are too stupid to know what to do. Elitists like yourself are the only ones competent to rule the world. How generous of you to help us ignorant fools survive. Actually you sound just like the Android crowd who's mantra is that only stupiud people buy Apple products. But then you know best I guess.
I am a big Apple fan, and I am always prepared to slay a Fandroid or two, when needed, but sorry, I don't buy into this "climate change" baloney. There are far greater problems and concerns to deal with.
And by the way, that climate change march in New York City was attended by hypocritical, dirty slobs who left behind vast amounts of garbage everywhere that they went. Screw those people and their "cause". And whatever happened to "global warming"? They changed their propaganda and now it's all about "climate change"!
More energy efficient processors and the like are a good thing, because they allow for greater battery life on mobile devices, but I am against "green" products in general.
1) Global problems are not mutually exclusive to deal with. Ultimately, we will deal with this issue -- as with any other mega-issue -- only if it makes long-run economic sense to do so. (In this particular case even more so, since corporations will be solution in the long run. Too long to go into why, but we get the gist from Cook's response.)
2) You're confusing cause and effect. AGW is the potential cause of all sorts of changes to earth's systems, including climate. Hence 'climate change.' It's simply like saying that if you're a 'conservative' you're likely to be a Republican (and 'liberal,' a Democrat), but to call someone a Republican is not 'propaganda.'
3) It really does not matter whether you dislike labels such as 'green' (actually I dislike that label too): as long as you're for things like greater energy efficiency, you're on the right side whether you know/like it or not.
Interesting that you bring up that Chinese video. China has absolutely no intention of following any Western initiatives for cleaner energy. Along with China, India will become one the world's most polluting economies. You think pressure from the West will influence the totalitarian government of China to "think green?" Also funny is how organizations like Greenpeace seem to ignore China, Russia, Iran, and all the other totalitarian governments who would execute or imprison them if they showed up in those regions.
Only because I couldn't possibly say it better than this:
More than surface temperature...
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As long as I don't have to pay for Apple's climate change nonsense let them do whatever they want. The minute they start having to raise prices to fund their green agenda then you'll see people voting with their wallets.
It's core to their values as a company. If you buy Apple products, you are paying for it.
I know I know, but you have to remember he is more knowledgeable than 99% of scientists ... :rolleyes:
I am SOOOOO worried about a revolution here in America. And yes, the people are too stupid to know what to do. Far too stupid. That doesn't mean they have to remain stupid or that they don't have the capabilities to not be stupid. But currently a vast majority of my fellow Americans are stupid. Maybe ignorant is a better word, your call, I don't care. I understand what you mean by elitist, or what you are trying to infer, but I am more of an elitists elitist, thank you very much. If you are going to be stupid, fine, be stupid, but for the sake of society, know that you are stupid and quit electing people that remind you of yourself.... because, remember, YOU ARE STUPID!
Well said.
There is another common denominator I see, they also seem to believe everything Murdoch's news organization puts out (i use the tern 'news' lightly), be it the US, UK or Australia. To understand his intent, follow the money.