I have the latest Mac mini and it is cute but so very slow compared to even my 2010 MBP let alone my nMac Pro, which I know is totally unfair to mention in the same sentence. Is yours using SSD? Perhaps that would help mine.
I have a mid-2011 Mini running with dual SSDs and 8gb RAM and this thing screams and most of what I use it for. It runs Server, it runs Plex Media Server, I use it with Aperture, and by day it runs Windows 7 inside of Parallels driving dual 24" and 20" monitors. In the evenings I occasionally run some older games.
...okay, saying it screams is a bit of a stretch. But I rarely notice a slowdown. The only thing that would make me upgrade would be quad i7 (yeah, I know that's an option now) and discrete graphics (and even that is really unnecessary). In other words, I'm not itching for an upgrade. Drop an SSD in your Mini (or better yet, buy a kit from iFixit that includes a second drive cable) and you'll be perfectly happy with what you've got.
If Apple switches to an A processor or decides to dumb it down to an AppleTV form factor, I'll be very upset. The iMac is gorgeous, but doesn't really suit my needs as I prefer to choose my own monitors and I like the (relatively) easy upgradability of the Mini. And without the ability to virtualize with an Intel processor, I'd no longer be able to function in my day job.
bash is a relatively independent non-OS X part of UN*X, and shouldn't require an OS X update, though it might come as part of one. In any case, someone will probably provide a tool and source for building your own fixed bash, which will be a single file which can be put on your Mac (usually in /bin/). Terminal should not need to be updated for this, though again Apple could enhance Terminal slightly to inform the user that the bash in use is vulnerable, should they wish to do so.
This page also has a (highly technical) discussion of the overall landscape for this vulnerability and its fixes.
I haven't got around to doing this yet, but the instructions look credible (not easy in some case, but credible; also, you'll need Xcode to recompile with the first procedure described, not a lightweight download. There are more "classic" UN*X ways to do it, not requiring Xcode; one such is described about 60% of the way down the page: "This is going to be beyond the ken…"). It's possible the recompile instructions would fail to build a patched bash if either the source tarball used or the patch happen to be incompatible with your older OS X version (this difficulty is pretty well confirmed near the bottom of the page).
Best is to keep your eyes open for a compatible patched version from a reputable source (e.g. MacUpdate)
Update: looks like /bin/sh (the predecessor to pretty well all shells in use today, including bash) is also vulnerable; probably doesn't make it appreciably more difficult to fix this mess.
So you're probably in only a slightly worse position than users with brand-new systems, and you'll ultimately be able to get a fix, I'm sure.
One way or another. Getting Xcode shouldn't be too hard, and the machine I would be fixing is my 2006 Mac Pro, which despite being nearly a decade old is no slouch.
The BASH flaw isn't a problem unless you do a lot of network facing stuff via a web server or SSH. This particular bug has been blow way out of proportion to the way it could potentially impact Mac users.
I'm not quaking in my boots, but the fact remains that Lion is on its way out, and exploits are going to become more common. I was already planning to replace my MP anyway, this just gives me extra incentive.
I got the base quad i7 2012 model, put in an SSD and 8GB and that thing rips. 8 threads, 1.25GB fusion drive for $850+tax. The SSD is the most amazing upgrade and homemade fusion drive is best of both worlds. Just salvaged a 2008 MacBook from sluggish to rockin with a $100 upgrade.
I call shenanigans on anyone asking for a bigger mini and invoke the 2005 law against requesting an xMac (between mini and power mac/Mac Pro) ;-)
I have a mid-2011 Mini running with dual SSDs and 8gb RAM and this thing screams and most of what I use it for. It runs Server, it runs Plex Media Server, I use it with Aperture, and by day it runs Windows 7 inside of Parallels driving dual 24" and 20" monitors. In the evenings I occasionally run some older games.
...okay, saying it screams is a bit of a stretch. But I rarely notice a slowdown. The only thing that would make me upgrade would be quad i7 (yeah, I know that's an option now) and discrete graphics (and even that is really unnecessary). In other words, I'm not itching for an upgrade. Drop an SSD in your Mini (or better yet, buy a kit from iFixit that includes a second drive cable) and you'll be perfectly happy with what you've got.
If Apple switches to an A processor or decides to dumb it down to an AppleTV form factor, I'll be very upset. The iMac is gorgeous, but doesn't really suit my needs as I prefer to choose my own monitors and I like the (relatively) easy upgradability of the Mini. And without the ability to virtualize with an Intel processor, I'd no longer be able to function in my day job.
How many simultaneous 1080p transcodes can you do with Plex on your Mac Mini? I was considering getting one of these for my parents as their local plex server, but putting Linux on it instead.
But about 10.9 and 10.10, I'm not too concerned (I did switch my Mac mini's 10.10 web server off for now), I'm sure OS X will get patched ASAP and it isn't something that will trouble the average user. It is however a major concern for Linux servers and that is not a trivial number!
It still needs something that hooks into bash in order to run. People seem to be targeting CGI scripts and using wget to switch the user-agent:
You might even be able to exploit a server using Safari. In the develop menu, you can insert a custom user-agent. If you put the exploit code in there and access a vulnerable CGI script, it will execute the code in the user-agent string - you could delete every file on a webserver by visiting a page and a shared server could be running hundreds of websites. The guy at the 2nd link is scanning the internet for vulnerable servers by getting them to ping him back and has found thousands.
High profile targets will be first but this could turn out to be a pretty big problem. OS X desktop users shouldn't be worried about it because there's no way for people to run any code or even access their computer behind a router. Maybe malicious email content if people have enabled web server functionality but I doubt it and most users won't have that enabled. Router attacks might be something to worry about as they could redirect network traffic.
Bash is a tiny program, Apple should be able to issue a few MB update for every every OS. It shouldn't have changed much between systems. They don't have to worry about PPC systems, just 10.6 - 10.10, just 5 tiny installers maximum (one installer may work for every system) plus OS X Server versions if they are different.
I have the latest Mac mini and it is cute but so very slow compared to even my 2010 MBP let alone my nMac Pro, which I know is totally unfair to mention in the same sentence. Is yours using SSD? Perhaps that would help mine.
An SSD makes a big difference, the quad Mini has the same CPU as the MBP of the same year. I wonder if they'll add a PCIe SSD to it. It's the only model now without one.
I expect the entry model will have a HDD by default but maybe they can get away with 128GB SSD. I don't suppose they'll get rid of the HDD option internally but they could and just ask people to supplement it externally. By doing this, they could cut the size down by about 1/3. Soldered RAM is another thing that saves some space but vertically. They won't be switching to Broadwell yet so no higher density DDR4 RAM, which might limit them to 8GB of RAM if they did that.
I'll just say that I'm super happy with my 2012 quad core i7 (with SSD and 16 GB) as my workhorse machine, but since my 2009 entertainment center (with only 4 GB) is getting a bit creaky, I'd be very interested to see what comes next. Potentially, my 2009 could take over some duties from my 2005 iMac and then the latter could just get turned on for the occasional PPC or Classic app.
If this did get moved to US production- than I wouldn't expect any leaks. The Americans did a great job keeping the Mac Pro completely under wraps. Even with third party testing!
I'd like a new Mini. Given the re-design of the MacPro line, however, I fully expect the new Mini to be the size and shape of a 12 oz soda can. And it should be able to use an iPhone 6+ leaning against it as a monitor, via bluetooth, and simultaneously act as a wireless charging station for that phone/monitor. Sort of like a larger version of Palm's Touchstone charger which I loved so much.
The Americans did a great job keeping the Mac Pro completely under wraps. Even with third party testing!
Andysol, are you being sarcastic? It seems to me that the new Mac Pro was announced and displayed over a year before it shipped, so the American assemblers had no secret to keep.
Andysol, are you being sarcastic? It seems to me that the new Mac Pro was announced and displayed over a year before it shipped, so the American assemblers had no secret to keep.
Not at all. Not only all preceding test models, but a final model was built and Adobe even had it in Their labs testing prior to announcement. It was also only 6 months, not a year :smokey:
You are right though in that it wasn't mass assembled like an iPhone, so Like you said- they really didn't have a secret to keep- that might be more accurate.
I got the base quad i7 2012 model, put in an SSD and 8GB and that thing rips. 8 threads, 1.25GB fusion drive for $850+tax. The SSD is the most amazing upgrade and homemade fusion drive is best of both worlds. Just salvaged a 2008 MacBook from sluggish to rockin with a $100 upgrade.
Yup.
I have a two-drive 2010 Mac mini server and replaced the boot drive with an SSD in 2011 after the warranty expired. Never bothered to set up Fusion, everything's on the SSD except my iTunes library and photos (which are on the old school rotational hard drive). The performance is fabulous.
Likewise, I installed an SSD in my 2006 white MacBook around the same time (2011) and I still use it, despite it's stuck on OS X 10.7 Lion. It runs better than the day I bought it, with the exception of the display (the eight year old backlight is weak). A couple of years later I bought a MacBook Air 2013 thinking I'd retire the 2006 MacBook, but it turns out that having the old white MacBook around is convenient, especially since it still runs so well with the SSD.
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I have the latest Mac mini and it is cute but so very slow compared to even my 2010 MBP let alone my nMac Pro, which I know is totally unfair to mention in the same sentence. Is yours using SSD? Perhaps that would help mine.
I have a mid-2011 Mini running with dual SSDs and 8gb RAM and this thing screams and most of what I use it for. It runs Server, it runs Plex Media Server, I use it with Aperture, and by day it runs Windows 7 inside of Parallels driving dual 24" and 20" monitors. In the evenings I occasionally run some older games.
...okay, saying it screams is a bit of a stretch. But I rarely notice a slowdown. The only thing that would make me upgrade would be quad i7 (yeah, I know that's an option now) and discrete graphics (and even that is really unnecessary). In other words, I'm not itching for an upgrade. Drop an SSD in your Mini (or better yet, buy a kit from iFixit that includes a second drive cable) and you'll be perfectly happy with what you've got.
If Apple switches to an A processor or decides to dumb it down to an AppleTV form factor, I'll be very upset. The iMac is gorgeous, but doesn't really suit my needs as I prefer to choose my own monitors and I like the (relatively) easy upgradability of the Mini. And without the ability to virtualize with an Intel processor, I'd no longer be able to function in my day job.
One way or another. Getting Xcode shouldn't be too hard, and the machine I would be fixing is my 2006 Mac Pro, which despite being nearly a decade old is no slouch.
I'm not quaking in my boots, but the fact remains that Lion is on its way out, and exploits are going to become more common. I was already planning to replace my MP anyway, this just gives me extra incentive.
I call shenanigans on anyone asking for a bigger mini and invoke the 2005 law against requesting an xMac (between mini and power mac/Mac Pro) ;-)
I have a mid-2011 Mini running with dual SSDs and 8gb RAM and this thing screams and most of what I use it for. It runs Server, it runs Plex Media Server, I use it with Aperture, and by day it runs Windows 7 inside of Parallels driving dual 24" and 20" monitors. In the evenings I occasionally run some older games.
...okay, saying it screams is a bit of a stretch. But I rarely notice a slowdown. The only thing that would make me upgrade would be quad i7 (yeah, I know that's an option now) and discrete graphics (and even that is really unnecessary). In other words, I'm not itching for an upgrade. Drop an SSD in your Mini (or better yet, buy a kit from iFixit that includes a second drive cable) and you'll be perfectly happy with what you've got.
If Apple switches to an A processor or decides to dumb it down to an AppleTV form factor, I'll be very upset. The iMac is gorgeous, but doesn't really suit my needs as I prefer to choose my own monitors and I like the (relatively) easy upgradability of the Mini. And without the ability to virtualize with an Intel processor, I'd no longer be able to function in my day job.
How many simultaneous 1080p transcodes can you do with Plex on your Mac Mini? I was considering getting one of these for my parents as their local plex server, but putting Linux on it instead.
It still needs something that hooks into bash in order to run. People seem to be targeting CGI scripts and using wget to switch the user-agent:
http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/68122/what-is-a-specific-example-of-how-the-shellshock-bash-bug-could-be-exploited
http://blog.erratasec.com/2014/09/bash-shellshock-bug-is-wormable.html
You might even be able to exploit a server using Safari. In the develop menu, you can insert a custom user-agent. If you put the exploit code in there and access a vulnerable CGI script, it will execute the code in the user-agent string - you could delete every file on a webserver by visiting a page and a shared server could be running hundreds of websites. The guy at the 2nd link is scanning the internet for vulnerable servers by getting them to ping him back and has found thousands.
High profile targets will be first but this could turn out to be a pretty big problem. OS X desktop users shouldn't be worried about it because there's no way for people to run any code or even access their computer behind a router. Maybe malicious email content if people have enabled web server functionality but I doubt it and most users won't have that enabled. Router attacks might be something to worry about as they could redirect network traffic.
Bash is a tiny program, Apple should be able to issue a few MB update for every every OS. It shouldn't have changed much between systems. They don't have to worry about PPC systems, just 10.6 - 10.10, just 5 tiny installers maximum (one installer may work for every system) plus OS X Server versions if they are different.
An SSD makes a big difference, the quad Mini has the same CPU as the MBP of the same year. I wonder if they'll add a PCIe SSD to it. It's the only model now without one.
I expect the entry model will have a HDD by default but maybe they can get away with 128GB SSD. I don't suppose they'll get rid of the HDD option internally but they could and just ask people to supplement it externally. By doing this, they could cut the size down by about 1/3. Soldered RAM is another thing that saves some space but vertically. They won't be switching to Broadwell yet so no higher density DDR4 RAM, which might limit them to 8GB of RAM if they did that.
They could have so much fun with this little machine.
They could do 3 versions of the machine for different needs.
Something like this:
$499 basically MBA base model specs. 128GB flash storage. CTO options.
$899 same specs as $1499 iMac. i5-QC, 8GB removable/replaceable ram. Iris Pro graphics. CTO options (GTX 750, SSD/Flash etc.)
$1299 same specs as 27" iMac, upgraded: i7, 8GB Ram (removable ~ replaceable), GTX 780M, Fusion 1TB as default with drive options on CTO.
The housing may need to be a little larger on the high end machines. Or maybe just do external power supply like they do on the laptops.
Just dreaming. Apple would never, but it's fun to think what they could do. ...
PS: I had the latest base model mac mini and slapped a samsung 256 SSD in it and the thing was impressive. Speedy.
I hope it's thinner and lighter- but doesn't bend.
I need a Mac mini with some NEW hardware, not some "well, we're kinda waiting on the NEW chips; but try this for now kid" hardware…
I want to be able run the new WoW expansion on a 60" UltraHD flat-panel and have a better than decent frame rate while raiding…
Is that REALLY asking too much…?!?
It could be nicknamed "Short Stack"
Looking forward to this (if true)
I'd like a new Mini. Given the re-design of the MacPro line, however, I fully expect the new Mini to be the size and shape of a 12 oz soda can. And it should be able to use an iPhone 6+ leaning against it as a monitor, via bluetooth, and simultaneously act as a wireless charging station for that phone/monitor. Sort of like a larger version of Palm's Touchstone charger which I loved so much.
The Americans did a great job keeping the Mac Pro completely under wraps. Even with third party testing!
Andysol, are you being sarcastic? It seems to me that the new Mac Pro was announced and displayed over a year before it shipped, so the American assemblers had no secret to keep.
Not at all. Not only all preceding test models, but a final model was built and Adobe even had it in Their labs testing prior to announcement. It was also only 6 months, not a year :smokey:
You are right though in that it wasn't mass assembled like an iPhone, so Like you said- they really didn't have a secret to keep- that might be more accurate.
I got the base quad i7 2012 model, put in an SSD and 8GB and that thing rips. 8 threads, 1.25GB fusion drive for $850+tax. The SSD is the most amazing upgrade and homemade fusion drive is best of both worlds. Just salvaged a 2008 MacBook from sluggish to rockin with a $100 upgrade.
Yup.
I have a two-drive 2010 Mac mini server and replaced the boot drive with an SSD in 2011 after the warranty expired. Never bothered to set up Fusion, everything's on the SSD except my iTunes library and photos (which are on the old school rotational hard drive). The performance is fabulous.
Likewise, I installed an SSD in my 2006 white MacBook around the same time (2011) and I still use it, despite it's stuck on OS X 10.7 Lion. It runs better than the day I bought it, with the exception of the display (the eight year old backlight is weak). A couple of years later I bought a MacBook Air 2013 thinking I'd retire the 2006 MacBook, but it turns out that having the old white MacBook around is convenient, especially since it still runs so well with the SSD.
I really hope so. It is about time for the MM to be refreshed.
I sat on my mac mini did not bend but burnt my B*m
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I'd just like to see a Mac Mini with iMac spec's instead of laptop specs.
I don't think that's likely to happen.