Do they? Hmm. I never thought about that. I just read out a few things and they all use the middle of the mouth more heavily than a cleaner English does... I dunno, that might be it. It’s strange; I can read and speak, accurately, just about any word in any language (and I’m pretty good at determining what language a new word is from), but for the life of me I can’t do a Spanish or French accent. Oh, German; I can do nonspecific German, too, but that’s probably cheating since I know actual German. Can’t do a good north Indian accent, though, despite growing up with a smattering of Hindi.
That’s what we ought to tell actors: If you want to do a convincing [country] accent, learn the language!
BTW isn't "Cultured Southern Drawl" an oxymoron?
I can do a dumb hick, of course. The difference isn’t just a matter of what you say; I change the tonality up a bit, too, and that defines the change. Kentucky differs from Georgia, for example.
They do not sound similar. Although Dublin has more accents than the mid west of the US.
There's definitely a cultured Southern accent see Spacy in House of Cards. That accent is apparantly closer to aristocratic English as it was spoken in the 17th century England than the modern posh ( or RP) accent in England now.
I know, I was kidding. The Southern Gentleman drawl is a lovely accent and they are most gracious people, well they were to me on many visits there over the years ... but then i'm white.
Do they? Hmm. I never thought about that. I just read out a few things and they all use the middle of the mouth more heavily than a cleaner English does... I dunno, that might be it. It’s strange; I can read and speak, accurately, just about any word in any language (and I’m pretty good at determining what language a new word is from), but for the life of me I can’t do a Spanish or French accent. Oh, German; I can do nonspecific German, too, but that’s probably cheating since I know actual German. :p Can’t do a good north Indian accent, though, despite growing up with a smattering of Hindi.
That’s what we ought to tell actors: If you want to do a convincing [country] accent, learn the language!
I can do a dumb hick, of course. The difference isn’t just a matter of what you say; I change the tonality up a bit, too, and that defines the change. Kentucky differs from Georgia, for example.
I'm a pretty good mimic of accents and having lived in many parts of the world I have been lucky enough to have had some pretty good immersions. The strange thing is, well it seems other people find this stranger than I do as I don't think about it, I have no trace of an American accent after 22 years and an American wife and family. Phraseology, idioms and perhaps some syllabic stress changes for sure but not the accent as such.
What always shocks me is hearing a really good English actor pull off an American accent. But of course I am probably the last one who can judge ... I mean is House even remotely convincing to an American? Christian Bale is amazing too for me as an American, and oddly, his real English accent is awful to me!
He's a troll. No one who identifies themselves as from the UK in these forums likes Apple, without exception.
It'd be great if you could stop generalising the whole of the British population. You have no idea, I can assure you, we are not all suckers for Google. I know many people who like Apple, and as a British citizen myself, I can assure you I like Apple over android.
Gog Magog are the rolling hills south of the city, unless you are a golfer. And it's not a canal, it's the River Cam. That was home for many years (the city, not the river) until I moved to the U.S. Seems like a natural place for an R&D facility in the UK.
Thanks for the correction except the pub was on a canal, not the Cam, we got there by barge on a trip in the fen area for an outing. I was down in the bronze age pits in the Gog Magogs not golfing , Yep it does seem like a good area for such a facility, not the pits that is ... then again ...
Oh - apologies then. Pub crawls by barge are hard to beat, although I never tried that in the Fens - just up on the Midlands network.
Oh - apologies then. Pub crawls by barge are hard to beat, although I never tried that in the Fens - just up on the Midlands network.
It was all about the King Street run when I was a student. I think a pub crawl by barge would be too dangerous!
The King Street Run gradually fell apart as the pubs closed down. It was eight when I went up to Cambridge, but down to four or so by the time I left. I've no idea what they do now instead. Pub crawling by barge actually works OK because the pubs are relatively few and far between.
Oh - apologies then. Pub crawls by barge are hard to beat, although I never tried that in the Fens - just up on the Midlands network.
It was all about the King Street run when I was a student. I think a pub crawl by barge would be too dangerous!
The King Street Run gradually fell apart as the pubs closed down. It was eight when I went up to Cambridge, but down to four or so by the time I left. I've no idea what they do now instead. Pub crawling by barge actually works OK because the pubs are relatively few and far between.
Sounds like the sort of thing Google would do.
After their Google Glass Barge debacle, a barge pub crawl would be the ideal way for drowning their sorrows.
He's a troll. No one who identifies themselves as from the UK in these forums likes Apple, without exception.
Erm. I'm the most pro Apple person that has ever walked this earth I will have you know! Though to be honest, I'm not entirely sure I can cal myself English any more. I go home to see family and get depressed, that's about it. In sunny San Diego right now. Love it here
Erm. I'm the most pro Apple person that has ever walked this earth I will have you know! Though to be honest, I'm not entirely sure I can cal myself English any more. I go home to see family and get depressed, that's about it. In sunny San Diego right now. Love it here
It is all about sunshine for me too. I only went back twice in 22 years. I got depressed too. I couldn't get back to Sarasota, Florida fast enough. I am a citizen of the USA so I suppose I am definitely not English anymore. I didn't even bother to renew my British passport although in theory I could have.
Really?
I looked but found no sarcasm tags and given your usual low tolerance of uninformed troll'ish commentary, I'll put this one down to a temporary aberration. :rolleyes:
I put it down to humor. Sarcasm would have inferred he meant the opposite which isn't true either. He should have just winked ... unless he meant it, in which case he would be being stupid which I am sure he isn't.
Suddenly Newton obviously has little knowledge of Apple history. Apple has had deep roots in the UK since ARM and going back even further, since the UK was in at the birth of PC's with ACORN/Spectrum etc. And at one stage had a total monopoly on the education and media markets. Although you are right that certain media organisations seem to have an almost paid-for antipathy towards Apple i.e. the Guardian, I remember going into their offices many years ago, around the time of the founding of the Independent newspaper, which the organisation that I worked for helped to set up, and they were totally Mac.
So no, the Mac fan-base, as you call it, is HUGE in the UK, don't be mis-led by the antipathy of the press.
Suddenly Newton obviously has little knowledge of Apple history. Apple has had deep roots in the UK since ARM and going back even further, since the UK was in at the birth of PC's with ACORN/Spectrum etc. And at one stage had a total monopoly on the education and media markets. Although you are right that certain media organisations seem to have an almost paid-for antipathy towards Apple i.e. the Guardian, I remember going into their offices many years ago, around the time of the founding of the Independent newspaper, which the organisation that I worked for helped to set up, and they were totally Mac.
So no, the Mac fan-base, as you call it, is HUGE in the UK, don't be mis-led by the antipathy of the press.
I recall long ago that attitude in the media was there. When I owned the Apple Dealership in Newcastle upon Tyne supplying Apple ][s in the late 70's and early 80's we supplied schools, hospitals, higher education and major corporations in fields ranging from nuclear, gas, shipbuilding and chemical and so on. Yet the media would push anything else that came along from Sinclair Spectrums to BBC micros as being the correct solution for all needs. The anti Apple sentiment dripped from the pages. I never understood why.
By the time the first Osborn and IBM PC came along it just got worse. As a computer nut I had several PCs and an Osborn myself, even an early RISC mini. I even had a dealership for the Victor, an early 16 bit micro for a while. What a beast that was and their posters were worthy of Star Wars! I had no problem with the non Apple folks. I used to suggest my clients went to the PC dealer for accounting needs, as i didn't sell accounts systems at first, and never had any anti-PC attitude. I saw it is best to use the equipment most appropriate for what ever the need.
The IT / mini / mainframe guys that had experienced departments in their companies using Apple ][s for several years with main frame connectivity as well as revolutionary stand alone powers such as Visicalc, suddenly turned hostile and banned Apple equipment on their turf. IBM even broke all terminal emulation from Apple's that has been working fine. It had to be an IBM PC or nothing from that point on regardless if an Apple was better suited for a particular need.
The animosity between Apple and PC user, in the UK at least, was born back then and it started in one direction, against all things Apple.
Appreciate your post. I think it is useful for us "old timers" to give some of the youngsters "context". However, whilst I agree with your corporate historical replay, this was not a "UK" thing. This was a global commercial thing that enabled MSF to take over the commercial desk top and merge it into domestic dominance also. Firstly, the corporate gatekeepers in IT departments decided that they would go along with the IBM PC standard. This entrenched MSF and made it almost impossible for non-MSF systems to flourish outside of education and creatives, thus Apple was banished to these ghetto's. Having worked in corporate environments, Insurance, banking etc for over 30 years and also had an insight in manufacturing, this was nothing to do with the UK and everything to do with the corporate world and the emerging MSF standard.
Having said all that. The UK media anti-Apple mime is a relatively recent thing. If you move within creative/Educational circles in the UK, which I do, you will see 95% Apple. If you move within educational circles you will see 50/60% penetration (skewed towards higher education), because many in education stuck with Apple and now many of the newer institutions with money of their own (Harris Academies for instance) are deeply into Apple and the creative opportunities.
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Do they? Hmm. I never thought about that. I just read out a few things and they all use the middle of the mouth more heavily than a cleaner English does... I dunno, that might be it. It’s strange; I can read and speak, accurately, just about any word in any language (and I’m pretty good at determining what language a new word is from), but for the life of me I can’t do a Spanish or French accent. Oh, German; I can do nonspecific German, too, but that’s probably cheating since I know actual German.
Can’t do a good north Indian accent, though, despite growing up with a smattering of Hindi.
That’s what we ought to tell actors: If you want to do a convincing [country] accent, learn the language!
I can do a dumb hick, of course. The difference isn’t just a matter of what you say; I change the tonality up a bit, too, and that defines the change. Kentucky differs from Georgia, for example.
I know, I was kidding. The Southern Gentleman drawl is a lovely accent and they are most gracious people, well they were to me on many visits there over the years ... but then i'm white.
I'm a pretty good mimic of accents and having lived in many parts of the world I have been lucky enough to have had some pretty good immersions. The strange thing is, well it seems other people find this stranger than I do as I don't think about it, I have no trace of an American accent after 22 years and an American wife and family. Phraseology, idioms and perhaps some syllabic stress changes for sure but not the accent as such.
What always shocks me is hearing a really good English actor pull off an American accent. But of course I am probably the last one who can judge ... I mean is House even remotely convincing to an American? Christian Bale is amazing too for me as an American, and oddly, his real English accent is awful to me!
Gog Magog are the rolling hills south of the city, unless you are a golfer. And it's not a canal, it's the River Cam. That was home for many years (the city, not the river) until I moved to the U.S. Seems like a natural place for an R&D facility in the UK.
Thanks for the correction except the pub was on a canal, not the Cam, we got there by barge on a trip in the fen area for an outing. I was down in the bronze age pits in the Gog Magogs not golfing
Oh - apologies then. Pub crawls by barge are hard to beat, although I never tried that in the Fens - just up on the Midlands network.
Oh - apologies then. Pub crawls by barge are hard to beat, although I never tried that in the Fens - just up on the Midlands network.
It was all about the King Street run when I was a student. I think a pub crawl by barge would be too dangerous!
Oh - apologies then. Pub crawls by barge are hard to beat, although I never tried that in the Fens - just up on the Midlands network.
It was all about the King Street run when I was a student. I think a pub crawl by barge would be too dangerous!
The King Street Run gradually fell apart as the pubs closed down. It was eight when I went up to Cambridge, but down to four or so by the time I left. I've no idea what they do now instead. Pub crawling by barge actually works OK because the pubs are relatively few and far between.
Sounds like the sort of thing Google would do.
After their Google Glass Barge debacle, a barge pub crawl would be the ideal way for drowning their sorrows.
He's a troll. No one who identifies themselves as from the UK in these forums likes Apple, without exception.
Erm. I'm the most pro Apple person that has ever walked this earth I will have you know! Though to be honest, I'm not entirely sure I can cal myself English any more. I go home to see family and get depressed, that's about it. In sunny San Diego right now. Love it here
It is all about sunshine for me too. I only went back twice in 22 years. I got depressed too. I couldn't get back to Sarasota, Florida fast enough. I am a citizen of the USA so I suppose I am definitely not English anymore. I didn't even bother to renew my British passport although in theory I could have.
LOL I never saw that I must have missed that meeting. That is a lot of work in the day!
Yes, it would have been. I love all the names of the songs they don't sing, just as good as the ones they do sing.
There was one other: http://youtu.be/PnCqNH7V9R0
Amazing Gates, how sweet the sound,
That boots up my PC…
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now, I C:\
T'was Gates that taught...
my heart to fear
using my own PC.
These disks were made for crashing, and that's just what they'll do
one of these days I’ll wipe these disks installed with OS/2.
Whoa, tie a SCSI cable round the ole PC,
It's been three long years, can you still boot me?
If I don't see a SCSI in the ole PC
I'll crash to the desk, empty my queue, claim Error 503
If I don't see a SCSI cable round the ole PC
LOL
I put it down to humor. Sarcasm would have inferred he meant the opposite which isn't true either. He should have just winked ... unless he meant it, in which case he would be being stupid which I am sure he isn't.
Suddenly Newton obviously has little knowledge of Apple history. Apple has had deep roots in the UK since ARM and going back even further, since the UK was in at the birth of PC's with ACORN/Spectrum etc. And at one stage had a total monopoly on the education and media markets. Although you are right that certain media organisations seem to have an almost paid-for antipathy towards Apple i.e. the Guardian, I remember going into their offices many years ago, around the time of the founding of the Independent newspaper, which the organisation that I worked for helped to set up, and they were totally Mac.
So no, the Mac fan-base, as you call it, is HUGE in the UK, don't be mis-led by the antipathy of the press.
I recall long ago that attitude in the media was there. When I owned the Apple Dealership in Newcastle upon Tyne supplying Apple ][s in the late 70's and early 80's we supplied schools, hospitals, higher education and major corporations in fields ranging from nuclear, gas, shipbuilding and chemical and so on. Yet the media would push anything else that came along from Sinclair Spectrums to BBC micros as being the correct solution for all needs. The anti Apple sentiment dripped from the pages. I never understood why.
By the time the first Osborn and IBM PC came along it just got worse. As a computer nut I had several PCs and an Osborn myself, even an early RISC mini. I even had a dealership for the Victor, an early 16 bit micro for a while. What a beast that was and their posters were worthy of Star Wars! I had no problem with the non Apple folks. I used to suggest my clients went to the PC dealer for accounting needs, as i didn't sell accounts systems at first, and never had any anti-PC attitude. I saw it is best to use the equipment most appropriate for what ever the need.
The IT / mini / mainframe guys that had experienced departments in their companies using Apple ][s for several years with main frame connectivity as well as revolutionary stand alone powers such as Visicalc, suddenly turned hostile and banned Apple equipment on their turf. IBM even broke all terminal emulation from Apple's that has been working fine. It had to be an IBM PC or nothing from that point on regardless if an Apple was better suited for a particular need.
The animosity between Apple and PC user, in the UK at least, was born back then and it started in one direction, against all things Apple.
Appreciate your post. I think it is useful for us "old timers" to give some of the youngsters "context". However, whilst I agree with your corporate historical replay, this was not a "UK" thing. This was a global commercial thing that enabled MSF to take over the commercial desk top and merge it into domestic dominance also. Firstly, the corporate gatekeepers in IT departments decided that they would go along with the IBM PC standard. This entrenched MSF and made it almost impossible for non-MSF systems to flourish outside of education and creatives, thus Apple was banished to these ghetto's. Having worked in corporate environments, Insurance, banking etc for over 30 years and also had an insight in manufacturing, this was nothing to do with the UK and everything to do with the corporate world and the emerging MSF standard.
Having said all that. The UK media anti-Apple mime is a relatively recent thing. If you move within creative/Educational circles in the UK, which I do, you will see 95% Apple. If you move within educational circles you will see 50/60% penetration (skewed towards higher education), because many in education stuck with Apple and now many of the newer institutions with money of their own (Harris Academies for instance) are deeply into Apple and the creative opportunities.