You can get your iPod for the same price you always could. Only now you can pay $50 to put contact info on it or $100 for 5g of more storage.
And they released another monitor you can't afford.
What is the problem? Sounds like it went well to me.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I concur. You all still have choices. The new monitor's price increase corresponds to the increase pixels, but wait! There's still the 22 inch one that's still at $2499 and that I still can't afford. There's a new iPod for those of you that have enough music. I don't, I still use my $50 DiscMan. But we all have the choice of buying these things. All in all, this was a very productive keynote. It introduced some welcome new products, explained shipping problems (good to clear things up with Wall Street), and (the thing that people keep ignoring) introduced a new technology on the Mac. I think the future is very promising, and I don't plan on selling my stock any time soon.
Regarding the HD display, does anyone make one that size and resolution for less? The HD displays I see are usually around $5,000 or more. There was another display in another booth with even higher resolution (around 3000 by 2000) for about $8,000. Apple is the least expensive of the bunch that I know of. It will probably be snapped up by video professionals working on HD.
We buy memory in Japan to bundle with our product. Our prices for 256MB sticks jumped from about $20 last fall to about $60 now. I recently saw a blurb that wholesale LCD prices were up sharply. The margins on iMacs were probably somewhat thin in hopes of getting high volumes. In light of that $100 doesn't seem unreasonable.
However, it is a good point that Apple should have locked up parts pricing for the first six months or so. Perhaps they were guessing that prices would come down and guessed wrong.
Apple's PR problem vis-a-vis pricing is that they only serve the higher end part of the market. They don't make stripped down product that could sell for less.
[quote]Case: Gateway Micro-Tower Case HDW<hr></blockquote>
Um, yeah.
16x10x40x CD-RW? The Apple CD-RW is a 24x10x40x.
As well, I bet you a shaved monkey with a nickel up his nose that the LCD on the Gateway configured is a piece...especially if it's like the 15 inch Gateway LCDs I have in my lab. 3 out of 10 had to be sent back within 6 months.
[quote]Should we start thinking about leaving the Mac platform ??? <hr></blockquote>
You're kidding, right? You think that you should ditch the platform now because Apple increased the price of the iMac by $100? That's overreacting.
Heck, I was without my computer for months while Apple decided how they would fix it, and my next computer will still be a Mac. Why would I want to stay with the platform after such a bad tech support incident? After months and months of having no PowerBook, why would I ever buy another Mac? Simple. The problem got resolved, the guy who was in charge of handling my case was canned, and after using my PowerBook for two years now, it still feels new to me and does everything I want it to do. Plus, I still feel that Apple's stuff is better. Plain and simple.
We've had to deal with a lot of bad decisions by Apple, including the confusing product lines of the early-mid 90s, the failure to clone earlier, cloning too late, announcing a Power Mac G4/500 and then shifting the entire product line DOWN, being unable to ship those machines for MONTHS, shipping an unfinished and slow Mac OS X, and you want to leave the platform now, because Apple increased the price of the iMac by $100? Maybe MWTY was disappointing to you, but it still seems to me that Apple can please some of the people some of the time, but all of the people none of the time.
sorry to tell but if your really want an iMac and can afford it, $100 doesn't make a difference...
You also can't compare a PC to a Mac, let me say that Macs are not made with cheap materials... I have a new compaq and I can tell that and WinXP sucks big way in terms of simplicity of use...The new iPod is terrific $100 for 5 GB more... that's not bad.
For the movies and tv industry, the new Cinema Display HD will be a god send ! Imagine a dual Gig + Cinema HD + Final Cut Pro = WOW !
and Bluetooth !!!! They are the first in the pc industry to put it in a OS (no ?) can we have a new pro mouse and keyboard without cables?... i think so.
So now we have the opportunity to talk again about the future. WWDC and MWNY !
SOoOOoo: 10.2, the PPC7500, upgrade to iBook, upgrade to PowerBook... i think spring & summertime will be very hot !
Man some of you people are nuts. You would think reading this topic that a $100 price increase is the end of the friggin' world, jezz get a grip and chill out. Apple is a company, and following the trend of most successful companies, they have to be profitable. Anyone here remember Q1 of 1996? Some of you people have lost all common sense, one moderate announcement out of 4 a year is ok.
Nah....I am not really saying I am leaving the platform. I am mad about the price hike too...makes me remember that G4 fiasco in 99......But look at other people's reaction here.......I made that line just to reflect those people's reaction
It's not just about price hikes. It's about Apple's self-absorbed arrogance. They don't seem to realize that people buy computers because they wanta computer. The LCD & RAM price excuse is bull. I looked in the back of a Maximum PC and a company is selling an Athlon XP 2000+ & nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4400 with an LCD (think it might have been like a 17 inch too) for iMac prices. The price/performance is terrible. Apple's got all the resources, they just need to put them in use. It's unbelievable what Steve wants to do nowadays. This is coming from someone who just bought a new G4. Why I bought one is because I was sick of waiting for one, and second Mac OS X. We are only concerned about Apple as a company. Seems like Apple's concerned with special engraving for $50 more, and $500 MP3 players. Where are the new portables? The processors and new graphics options are here, why arent they? Apple can't keep this up.
<strong>It's not just about price hikes. It's about Apple's self-absorbed arrogance. They don't seem to realize that people buy computers because they wanta computer. The LCD & RAM price excuse is bull. I looked in the back of a Maximum PC and a company is selling an Athlon XP 2000+ & nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4400 with an LCD (think it might have been like a 17 inch too) for iMac prices. The price/performance is terrible. Apple's got all the resources, they just need to put them in use. It's unbelievable what Steve wants to do nowadays. This is coming from someone who just bought a new G4. Why I bought one is because I was sick of waiting for one, and second Mac OS X. We are only concerned about Apple as a company. Seems like Apple's concerned with special engraving for $50 more, and $500 MP3 players. Where are the new portables? The processors and new graphics options are here, why arent they? Apple can't keep this up.</strong><hr></blockquote>
THANK YOU!!!!! NOW MAYBE PEOPLE WILL SEE WHY I'M UPSET TOO.
[quote]I looked in the back of a Maximum PC and a company is selling an Athlon XP 2000+ & nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4400 with an LCD (think it might have been like a 17 inch too) for iMac prices.<hr></blockquote>
Now if that isn't proof positive of Apple's arrogance I don't know what is.
I especially like the decisive phrase "it might have been like a..."
I haven't seen a group of whiners this big since... uh.... the last Expo.
The iPod is selling like freakin hot cakes. Can't fault them for not dropping the price. Groverat is right - they kept the thing the same (which everyone slobbered all over until yesterday) and now you can get one with twice the storage capacity for $100 more. This is bad why??
Oh, I guess you're all right - they should sell the 10 GB model for $299. Better to lose your shirt on a million iPods than to make a small profit on 250,000.
The crying in here is pathetic, man. We're still using the best computing platform in the world. Adding $100 to an iMac doesn't spell the end of the fu*king world.
I haven't seen a group of whiners this big since... uh.... the last Expo.
The iPod is selling like freakin hot cakes. Can't fault them for not dropping the price. Groverat is right - they kept the thing the same (which everyone slobbered all over until yesterday) and now you can get one with twice the storage capacity for $100 more. This is bad why??
Oh, I guess you're all right - they should sell the 10 GB model for $299. Better to lose your shirt on a million iPods than to make a small profit on 250,000.
The crying in here is pathetic, man. We're still using the best computing platform in the world. Adding $100 to an iMac doesn't spell the end of the fu*king world.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Murbot, I think you're missing the point. While many in this thread and on the forums ARE being a bunch of whiners and babies about this I think we have the right to be dissapointed with the announcements.
many were expecting cheaper prices or better products at the same price. But Apple instead came out with products that were ALL more expensive than anything they previously had. MW Tokyo was like a showcase for the rich. It's amazing that Apple does not have problems coming out with 500 dollar MP3 players and 3500 dollar LCD displays and raising prices on existing products when the economy isn't that great and all people wanted was cheaper prices or improvements on the existing products.
It's as if Apple is out of touch. That's what I'm dissapointed in. They are quickly becoming a sharper image nich company. What happened to the computer for the rest of us? it's now the tech gizmo for those who can afford it.
Well, I do agree with much of what you're saying, but I really do believe they didn't have much choice in raising the iMac price. I could be wrong, but seeing how other manufacturers are cutting specs, raising prices, etc, to fight these cost increases also, it's not like it's just Steve trying to finance a new jet or something.
And the iPod? I don't know... after thinking it over a little, I agree it would have been really nice to see even a small 5 GB price drop. But until I see some hard evidence on their costs of the components, we can't really say that they should've dropped the price to $299 - it's possible that they just couldn't do it. Don't you think?
<strong>we can't really say that they should've dropped the price to $299 - it's possible that they just couldn't do it. Don't you think?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well...if you buy from me you can pay even lower than this price
<strong>Well, I do agree with much of what you're saying, but I really do believe they didn't have much choice in raising the iMac price. I could be wrong, but seeing how other manufacturers are cutting specs, raising prices, etc, to fight these cost increases also, it's not like it's just Steve trying to finance a new jet or something.
And the iPod? I don't know... after thinking it over a little, I agree it would have been really nice to see even a small 5 GB price drop. But until I see some hard evidence on their costs of the components, we can't really say that they should've dropped the price to $299 - it's possible that they just couldn't do it. Don't you think?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm not too upset over the iMac price increase because its such a bad pr move that it must have really been neccessary. it's just not something I think Apple would do just to get another 100 bucks out of everyone.
the iPod annoys me though. Since it has been released Apple has forced Toshiba to really ramp up production and has been there biggest customer and likely has hge contracts for future sizes. You would think from October to March the price of components would have dropped a bit. even 50 bucks would have been welcome.
But th thing that really ticks me off about the iPod is the engraving. I would love to get my name engraved on it... but not for 50 bucks more. they didn't cut prices at all, they should at least include engraving with the standard price then. it would attract customers to buy from the Apple Store. But with it 50 dollars extra now an iPod engraved is costing me close to 600 dolalrs with taxes while I can get an unengraved one for 499 at Outpost or ClubMac, etc.
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You can get your iPod for the same price you always could. Only now you can pay $50 to put contact info on it or $100 for 5g of more storage.
And they released another monitor you can't afford.
What is the problem? Sounds like it went well to me.
<strong>You guys are freaks, just so you know.
You can get your iPod for the same price you always could. Only now you can pay $50 to put contact info on it or $100 for 5g of more storage.
And they released another monitor you can't afford.
What is the problem? Sounds like it went well to me.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I concur. You all still have choices. The new monitor's price increase corresponds to the increase pixels, but wait! There's still the 22 inch one that's still at $2499 and that I still can't afford. There's a new iPod for those of you that have enough music. I don't, I still use my $50 DiscMan. But we all have the choice of buying these things. All in all, this was a very productive keynote. It introduced some welcome new products, explained shipping problems (good to clear things up with Wall Street), and (the thing that people keep ignoring) introduced a new technology on the Mac. I think the future is very promising, and I don't plan on selling my stock any time soon.
We buy memory in Japan to bundle with our product. Our prices for 256MB sticks jumped from about $20 last fall to about $60 now. I recently saw a blurb that wholesale LCD prices were up sharply. The margins on iMacs were probably somewhat thin in hopes of getting high volumes. In light of that $100 doesn't seem unreasonable.
However, it is a good point that Apple should have locked up parts pricing for the first six months or so. Perhaps they were guessing that prices would come down and guessed wrong.
Apple's PR problem vis-a-vis pricing is that they only serve the higher end part of the market. They don't make stripped down product that could sell for less.
<strong>Should we start thinking about leaving the Mac platform ???
If I was looking for a computer now I would think about it. I'd get an iMac, but I don't know if I'd wanna after the increase.
Um, yeah.
16x10x40x CD-RW? The Apple CD-RW is a 24x10x40x.
As well, I bet you a shaved monkey with a nickel up his nose that the LCD on the Gateway configured is a piece...especially if it's like the 15 inch Gateway LCDs I have in my lab. 3 out of 10 had to be sent back within 6 months.
You're kidding, right? You think that you should ditch the platform now because Apple increased the price of the iMac by $100? That's overreacting.
Heck, I was without my computer for months while Apple decided how they would fix it, and my next computer will still be a Mac. Why would I want to stay with the platform after such a bad tech support incident? After months and months of having no PowerBook, why would I ever buy another Mac? Simple. The problem got resolved, the guy who was in charge of handling my case was canned, and after using my PowerBook for two years now, it still feels new to me and does everything I want it to do. Plus, I still feel that Apple's stuff is better. Plain and simple.
We've had to deal with a lot of bad decisions by Apple, including the confusing product lines of the early-mid 90s, the failure to clone earlier, cloning too late, announcing a Power Mac G4/500 and then shifting the entire product line DOWN, being unable to ship those machines for MONTHS, shipping an unfinished and slow Mac OS X, and you want to leave the platform now, because Apple increased the price of the iMac by $100? Maybe MWTY was disappointing to you, but it still seems to me that Apple can please some of the people some of the time, but all of the people none of the time.
You also can't compare a PC to a Mac, let me say that Macs are not made with cheap materials... I have a new compaq and I can tell that and WinXP sucks big way in terms of simplicity of use...The new iPod is terrific $100 for 5 GB more... that's not bad.
For the movies and tv industry, the new Cinema Display HD will be a god send ! Imagine a dual Gig + Cinema HD + Final Cut Pro = WOW !
and Bluetooth !!!! They are the first in the pc industry to put it in a OS (no ?) can we have a new pro mouse and keyboard without cables?... i think so.
So now we have the opportunity to talk again about the future. WWDC and MWNY !
SOoOOoo: 10.2, the PPC7500, upgrade to iBook, upgrade to PowerBook... i think spring & summertime will be very hot !
[ 03-21-2002: Message edited by: Crusader ]</p>
<strong>Should we start thinking about leaving the Mac platform ???
Where the hell do we go then?
Dude, I'm NOT GETTIN' A DELL!!!
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<strong>It's not just about price hikes. It's about Apple's self-absorbed arrogance. They don't seem to realize that people buy computers because they wanta computer. The LCD & RAM price excuse is bull. I looked in the back of a Maximum PC and a company is selling an Athlon XP 2000+ & nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4400 with an LCD (think it might have been like a 17 inch too) for iMac prices. The price/performance is terrible. Apple's got all the resources, they just need to put them in use. It's unbelievable what Steve wants to do nowadays. This is coming from someone who just bought a new G4. Why I bought one is because I was sick of waiting for one, and second Mac OS X. We are only concerned about Apple as a company. Seems like Apple's concerned with special engraving for $50 more, and $500 MP3 players. Where are the new portables? The processors and new graphics options are here, why arent they? Apple can't keep this up.</strong><hr></blockquote>
THANK YOU!!!!! NOW MAYBE PEOPLE WILL SEE WHY I'M UPSET TOO.
Now if that isn't proof positive of Apple's arrogance I don't know what is.
I especially like the decisive phrase "it might have been like a..."
I haven't seen a group of whiners this big since... uh.... the last Expo.
The iPod is selling like freakin hot cakes. Can't fault them for not dropping the price. Groverat is right - they kept the thing the same (which everyone slobbered all over until yesterday) and now you can get one with twice the storage capacity for $100 more. This is bad why??
Oh, I guess you're all right - they should sell the 10 GB model for $299. Better to lose your shirt on a million iPods than to make a small profit on 250,000.
The crying in here is pathetic, man. We're still using the best computing platform in the world. Adding $100 to an iMac doesn't spell the end of the fu*king world.
Well I certainly wouldn't go that far, but this latest MW is certainly nothing to be down about.
The iMac is still a good deal.
iPods still own my soul.
<strong>
I haven't seen a group of whiners this big since... uh.... the last Expo.
The iPod is selling like freakin hot cakes. Can't fault them for not dropping the price. Groverat is right - they kept the thing the same (which everyone slobbered all over until yesterday) and now you can get one with twice the storage capacity for $100 more. This is bad why??
Oh, I guess you're all right - they should sell the 10 GB model for $299. Better to lose your shirt on a million iPods than to make a small profit on 250,000.
The crying in here is pathetic, man. We're still using the best computing platform in the world. Adding $100 to an iMac doesn't spell the end of the fu*king world.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Murbot, I think you're missing the point. While many in this thread and on the forums ARE being a bunch of whiners and babies about this I think we have the right to be dissapointed with the announcements.
many were expecting cheaper prices or better products at the same price. But Apple instead came out with products that were ALL more expensive than anything they previously had. MW Tokyo was like a showcase for the rich. It's amazing that Apple does not have problems coming out with 500 dollar MP3 players and 3500 dollar LCD displays and raising prices on existing products when the economy isn't that great and all people wanted was cheaper prices or improvements on the existing products.
It's as if Apple is out of touch. That's what I'm dissapointed in. They are quickly becoming a sharper image nich company. What happened to the computer for the rest of us? it's now the tech gizmo for those who can afford it.
<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
And the iPod? I don't know... after thinking it over a little, I agree it would have been really nice to see even a small 5 GB price drop. But until I see some hard evidence on their costs of the components, we can't really say that they should've dropped the price to $299 - it's possible that they just couldn't do it. Don't you think?
<strong>we can't really say that they should've dropped the price to $299 - it's possible that they just couldn't do it. Don't you think?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well...if you buy from me you can pay even lower than this price
[ 03-21-2002: Message edited by: Leonis ]</p>
<strong>Well, I do agree with much of what you're saying, but I really do believe they didn't have much choice in raising the iMac price. I could be wrong, but seeing how other manufacturers are cutting specs, raising prices, etc, to fight these cost increases also, it's not like it's just Steve trying to finance a new jet or something.
And the iPod? I don't know... after thinking it over a little, I agree it would have been really nice to see even a small 5 GB price drop. But until I see some hard evidence on their costs of the components, we can't really say that they should've dropped the price to $299 - it's possible that they just couldn't do it. Don't you think?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm not too upset over the iMac price increase because its such a bad pr move that it must have really been neccessary. it's just not something I think Apple would do just to get another 100 bucks out of everyone.
the iPod annoys me though. Since it has been released Apple has forced Toshiba to really ramp up production and has been there biggest customer and likely has hge contracts for future sizes. You would think from October to March the price of components would have dropped a bit. even 50 bucks would have been welcome.
But th thing that really ticks me off about the iPod is the engraving. I would love to get my name engraved on it... but not for 50 bucks more. they didn't cut prices at all, they should at least include engraving with the standard price then. it would attract customers to buy from the Apple Store. But with it 50 dollars extra now an iPod engraved is costing me close to 600 dolalrs with taxes while I can get an unengraved one for 499 at Outpost or ClubMac, etc.
I can't believe that we can't engrave our iPods at the Canada Apple Store either. What the hell is up with that?!