Macintosh bashing the eMac
Take a look: <a href="http://forums.macnn.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=006040"; target="_blank">The eMac will flop and die.</a>
This kid really pisses me off more and more each day. I'm glad he's no longer at AI. He thinks he always knows what's best for Apple. I just figured I'd show another example of his stupidity.
This kid really pisses me off more and more each day. I'm glad he's no longer at AI. He thinks he always knows what's best for Apple. I just figured I'd show another example of his stupidity.
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<strong>Take a look: <a href="http://forums.macnn.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=006040"; target="_blank">The eMac will flop and die.</a>
This kid really pisses me off more and more each day. I'm glad he's no longer at AI. He thinks he always knows what's best for Apple. I just figured I'd show another example of his stupidity.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmm. I think it will do quite well.
- Apple will surely be making tasty profit margins on it.
- It is only sold to education, so it won't dip into iMac sales too much
- It's very attractive as a machine. From personal knowledge, I can tell you that Princeton IT dept isn't sure about the iMac, because they think people might vandalize the neck. The eMac doesn't really have that option, and its release today is probably going to increase the amount of Apples Princeton buys for the next academic year.
For the record: I haven't missed him. But golly, I sure have missed his tributes to obscure faculty in his school.
He makes the mistake many others have, and assumes that Apple intends to revive its education sales by selling to individual students at the prices listed on the website.
Apple's intention is to sell the eMac in large numbers to educational institutions at much lower prices we shall never be privy to, and as Amorph(?) points out in another thread, also sell them software, services, and support packages.
Oh, and I believe this quote from Macintosh's post tells you all you need to know:
[quote]<strong>Instead of this it has its very own category which confuses the hell out of me, just think of normal people!</strong><hr></blockquote>
[ 04-30-2002: Message edited by: Belle ]</p>
<strong>Take a look: <a href="http://forums.macnn.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=006040"; target="_blank">The eMac will flop and die.</a>
This kid really pisses me off more and more each day. I'm glad he's no longer at AI. He thinks he always knows what's best for Apple. I just figured I'd show another example of his stupidity.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What really piss me off is to see elite member under is name
<strong>If you know the kid is such a fvcknugget, why do you let him/her get to you?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I really try but sometimes it's just too much. I've already had to block him on AIM multiple times. He's always like "Hey man what's up" and I don't answer and he keeps going on like "come on why don't you talk to me? what did i ever do to you?" and so on... and then seeing posts where he thinks he knows better than Apple is just annoying to me.
[quote]e makes the mistake many others have, and assumes that Apple intends to revive its education sales by selling to individual students at the prices listed on the website.
Apple's intention is to sell the eMac in large numbers to educational institutions at much lower prices we shall never be privy to, and as Amorph(?) points out in another thread, also sell them software, services, and support packages. <hr></blockquote>
I see your main point, but the price doesn't change much.....I say that as a teacher. Unless you are, oh, the State of Maine or something and you buy a gazillion of them. The price is the price......the ed discount that is.
Also, Apple is doing pretty well education. It is just that they don't have a monopoly......they do have like 50% of the market though. I don't know that "revive" is appropriate.
Macintosh is confusing the product with a consumer machine and therefore part of the main product matrix, which it isn't.
<strong>I see your main point, but the price doesn't change much.....I say that as a teacher. Unless you are, oh, the State of Maine or something and you buy a gazillion of them. The price is the price......the ed discount that is.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's just it, though: Apple is planning on selling these by the trainload, with a few servers, Cinema Displays to bribe the administrators, and loads of software, services and support offered for essentially nothing.
Although, you'd be surprised what Apple will do on a small bid. You just have to be in a position to submit a bid in the first place, which (as I understand) most teachers aren't. That tends to be a closely guarded privilege in most institutions.
[quote]<strong>Also, Apple is doing pretty well education. It is just that they don't have a monopoly......they do have like 50% of the market though. I don't know that "revive" is appropriate.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think they mean "revive the monopoly," or at least "put Dell back in their rightful place" - as judged by Steve.
[quote]<strong>Macintosh is confusing the product with a consumer machine and therefore part of the main product matrix, which it isn't.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I actually can see one way that Apple could offer it as a consumer machine: Apple could, as part of its bid, extend the district's price for eMacs to families of its schoolchildren, the way businesses do with their employees. Maybe the district could make a little off the top. Then little Suzie could have an eMac in her room (they are inexpensive, and rugged - well suited for kids) for very little, and her family gets to support the school a bit. Oh, and Apple grows its installed base just a little.
<strong> This kid over at MacNN (IS he a kid?) just doesn't understand the subtleties of strategy and marketing. I applaud Apple for taking this bold move.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah he's a kid. You don't remember him from when he was here at AI?
Oh, and thank god that you don't actually have to deal with him in person daily. It's easy enough to ignore him otherwise.
At least he's over there.
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EmAn, Apple is not the all-knowing judge of all things, contrary to popular AppleInsider belief.
I know you didn't mean it to come out that way, but it was just kind of funny the way you put it.
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EmAn, Apple is not the all-knowing judge of all things, contrary to popular AppleInsider belief.
I know you didn't mean it to come out that way, but it was just kind of funny the way you put it.
For example, even my computer lab would likely forgo the eMac for the LCD iMac. It takes up much less space and isn't that much more expensive. It's also about 10x more visually pleasing. And our lab gets hot with our tiny air conditioner...10 more CRTs would create much more heat than 10 LCDs...
[ 04-30-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</p>
As for the product matrix, it is a reference, not a bible. It helps tie products with markets, but it should never limit the products or the markets. It is the tail of the dog so to speak.
The reality is that the eMac is not confusing. It's an entry level Mac designed for two types of customers: those on a budget who cannot afford an iMac or want to get more Macs with their fixed budget, and those who consider the LCD iMac unfit for youngsters who might play too rough. Neither of these target groups will be confused by the eMac, in fact they will take one look at it and want it. It's a near perfect design for those who need it, and the G4 is the final touch.
The only potential for confusion is based upon the eMac's display: many people would consider a 17" flat CRT display, w/ 16" viewable area, to be superior to a 15" LCD display like the one in the iMac. It's higher resolution and greater viewable area make it very appealing compared to the smaller iMac LCD.
I think it's now time for Apple to add yet another computer model to their product lineup: a 17" LCD iMac! That would be such a killer computer, it would simply own in terms of style, functionality, and plain old bad-ass looks!
<strong>What makes it a bold move though? It really doesn't seem very bold. The eMac is lacking something to seal volume deals with schools.
For example, even my computer lab would likely forgo the eMac for the LCD iMac. It takes up much less space and isn't that much more expensive. It's also about 10x more visually pleasing. And our lab gets hot with our tiny air conditioner...10 more CRTs would create much more heat than 10 LCDs...
[ 04-30-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nah, the eMac what it takes to seal volume deals: value.
The eMac is essentially an iMac with a CRT display, for much, much less. And it doesn't take up much space at all, in fact the eMac's footprint is about the same size as the CRT iMac's footprint (something like 8 mm wider, but a bit less depth).
If a school can afford iMacs, then that is always an option, but this eMac isn't aimed at schools that can afford iMacs. It's aimed at those on a budget, or those for whom iMacs aren't rugged enough.
And please, the air conditioning argument only applies to purchasers in the southern US who cannot afford to run their AC a bit more. If they are on such a tight budget that they cannot afford AC, then they sure as hell cannot afford to spend the extra money on LCD iMacs over eMacs.
As for the eMac's aesthetics, I think it's nicer looking than the original iMac, and that was good enough for most edu buyers. If visual appeal mattered to edu buyers, then Dell wouldn't be a threat to Apple.
I think after the edu buying season is over and Apple has met demand for the eMac, things will begin to get interesting, as the eMac will then be offered to the general public. When Joe Schmoes can buy eMacs, I predict that they will absolutely FLY off the shelves like Apple wouldn't believe. There is a great deal of pent up demand for an affordable Mac system with a 17" flat CRT display. Apple is also going to be forced to offer a 17" LCD iMac when the eMac goes public.
Damn it's almost as if some people are JEALOUS of the eMac, maybe because they blew all sorts of dough on an LCD iMac, only to see that this eMac has the same mobo as the iMac, but a superior display, all for much less $$$!
<strong>If they are on such a tight budget that they cannot afford AC, then they sure as hell cannot afford to spend the extra money on LCD iMacs over eMacs.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not to mention that the Dells and Gateways that this machine is up against are not likely to be any better, heat-wise.
[quote]<strong>I think after the edu buying season is over and Apple has met demand for the eMac, things will begin to get interesting, as the eMac will then be offered to the general public. When Joe Schmoes can buy eMacs, I predict that they will absolutely FLY off the shelves like Apple wouldn't believe.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't doubt that they'd sell well, but I'm sitting in front of one of Apple's least impressive LCD monitors (the 15") and I'll tell you right now: I'll never, ever go back to a CRT.
As a CRT, the eMac loses points with me for refreshing WYSIWYG resolution (1152x870) at a mere 70Hz. My old Radius Miro 17" could do better than that running off a Rage 128 PCI. But it'll do 1024x768 just fine, and that's enough for the ed market.
[ 04-30-2002: Message edited by: Amorph ]</p>
<strong>Belle writes:
I see your main point, but the price doesn't change much.....I say that as a teacher. Unless you are, oh, the State of Maine or something and you buy a gazillion of them. The price is the price......the ed discount that is.
Also, Apple is doing pretty well education. It is just that they don't have a monopoly......they do have like 50% of the market though. I don't know that "revive" is appropriate.
Macintosh is confusing the product with a consumer machine and therefore part of the main product matrix, which it isn't.</strong><hr></blockquote>
that's not true. as I said in the MacNN thread, my mother is an assistant principal at a NYC public school. her district is 100% mac. everyone in the district is extremely pro mac. They have been buying the 999 iMacs since there unveiling back in 1999.
But if you think that they always get them at that price your delusional. Last year they got iMacs for 499. Just in orders of a few dozen here and there.
of course they have orders of several hundred other times but Apple does throw things in or take off from the price. A popular gimmick is including airport with every machine or including various educational software bundles or apple care