Whiny, hand-wringing baby freaks...

pscates · July 17, 2002 2:02PM

PLEASE migrate to Wintel, shovelheads. Do it and go, once and for all.

Jeez-louise.

Some of you people have NO IDEA how good you have it. The nicest, coolest OS, married with the slickest, sexiest hardware...and augmented with some of the easiest-to-use, intuitive apps EVER.

There was nothing but good stuff in today's keynote. Apple is on track, is strong, gets the "big picture", is doing amazing stuff, etc.

And because some of you didn't get to see a dual 1.6GHz G5 unveiled, you're going to lose your minds and bitch and moan all day long.

PLEASE: "Switch" to Windows if you're THAT disappointed and just can't get your work done on a Mac.

I'm sick of listening to your doomsday bullcrap.

Fairweather, drama queen mother****ers...

:flipbird:

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pscates · July 17, 2002 2:05PM

Mods, lock/delete this thread if you must. I don't really care, either way.

Just HAD to get that off my chest before the day progressed too much further...

Whew...feel better already!

crusader · July 17, 2002 2:06PM

But we need hardware! I admit Apple's software amazing, and I will always use a mac no matter how much the hardware sucks. If Apple wants to keep there installed base happy, and expand that base, they need better hardware!

crusader · July 17, 2002 2:09PM

I do have to admit some of the b*tching is pathetic.

eman · July 17, 2002 2:11PM

pscates, for the most part I agree with you, but Apple's hardware (mostly the G4 towers) are really lagging.

[ 07-17-2002: Message edited by: EmAn ]

ed otten · July 17, 2002 2:12PM

I agree that the hardware must continually get better, but damn, some of the software technologies that were displayed were nothing short of amazing. Rendezvous, isync, ical these things have the potential to be HUGE! That's why I am a Mac user. The technology they come up with is amazing. It makes everyone's interaction with technology better. Their coupling of the software over networks to peripherals is sweet. Many people seemed disappointed with this Macworld, but I was blown away by what was shown and previewed.

Ed

jacinto46 · July 17, 2002 2:13PM

Here's my take:

1. Apple started charging for services it didn't even offer three years ago. If you find them worth the money, pay a dollar a week to keep them. If not, you don't have to use them...just don't pay and stop complaining.

2. At the same time, Apple unveiled three killer apps which cost nothing. I don't see anyone here expressing gratitude for getting what should be (if iTunes/iMovie etc. are any indication) a few kickass apps for absolutely nothing.

3. Apple introduced the new iMac, with a bigger display and much better video card. A far better computer for those who can afford it. If not, the SuperDrive iMac was pushed back to $1799.

4. Great new, cheaper iPods with free new software for current buyers and new hardware (remote, case) for future and current buyers of the 10 and 20 GB models. Also, for the first time they sell a version of the product for $300.

5. Jaguar: This should be cheaper, like $69 for current OS X owners, but charging for what will be one of the biggest OS upgrades Apple has ever done is not all that bad.

6. Instead of new Power Macs today, they will (by all accounts) come in a couple of weeks.

7. Rendezvous: I was really impressed with this networking technology; how the iTunes playlist disappeared and reappeared as the PowerBook was opened and closed.

Looking at all of this, and considering that Apple raised absolutely no expectations for this Expo, I absolutely can't understand the complaining.

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bobthetomato · July 17, 2002 2:17PM

Just leave the KY Jelly on the nightstand everytime Uncle Steve comes to visit and Wow, look how much better of an attitude you have! "It doesn't hurt hardly at all!"

scadboy · July 17, 2002 2:17PM

yes, and the more we all bitch about it, the faster it will be resolved.

ha ha ha ha ha

Yeah, whatever. Apple delivered some seriously cool stuff today. Go ahead, go over to Windows, atleast you can take your iPod with you now.

I totally think .Mac is worth the cost. 100MB of online storage, accessible anywhere (yes even on windows), anytime, plus pop email, iSync online, iCal, and plenty of other services on the way for a mere $100 a year? come on, that's less than $0.30 a day.

[quote]Originally posted by BobtheTomato:

Just leave the KY Jelly on the nightstand everytime Uncle Steve comes to visit and Wow, look how much better of an attitude you have! "It doesn't hurt hardly at all!"<hr></blockquote>

Real mature Bob, yeah, Apple has so screwed us over.

For ****'s sake, Apple's given us so much software for nothing, maybe it'd be easier to swallow if you thought of it as a yearly iApp license fee, entitling you to all the iTunes, iCal, iSync, iMovie, and iDVD you can eat.

Somebody's gotta pay the bills here kids.

Oh, but I wouldn't recommend upgrading your existing account right now, however, you should freeload for another two months and upgrade in september, that way you won't have to pay again for awhile.

And I'm sure Apple will be working on some bundles for new machines and such.

It's worth it! As is jaguar! Which they're selling in the Education Store for $69. Awesome!

And I love the widescreen iMac, perfect for DVD's, I think I'm gonna buy one for my Mom. Already ordered the remote for my iPod and the education priced Jag update.

Ciao, suckers,

michael

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crusader · July 17, 2002 2:28PM

And another thing: (Wow I am really getting into this)

I love Apple. I love Apple's Software. I love Apple's (slightly lagging) hardware. I whine and complain, because I believe it is in Apple's best interest to have Great Hardware with Great Software to help Apple expand, grow, and, ultimately live. People who say they are switching to Wintel and trashing their macs, are people that never truly "got it" in the first place. Wintel sucks. I have used various wintel systems over the past 4 years, and they have never been able to stack up to my macs in power and experience. Even though my 3 month old Dell has kick @$$ power, Windows sucks, plain and simple. If I wanted power, I would have sold my kidney, a lung, a piece of my liver, and a chunk of my small intestine to buy a Cray. But every convert Apple loses hurts Apple, and every person that considers buying a Mac but is turned away because of the poor specs, hurts Apple too. It reinforces the opinion that macs are underpowered and "crappy". Needless to say this hurts Apple too. Apple over the years has shot themselves in the foot and the head, broken both arms, had a brain transplant, and they have been kicked in the gut too. But it is all self-inflicted. If things continue to slide, Apple will slowly loose it's grip and fade away...

macsrgood4u · July 17, 2002 2:40PM

goo...gooo. burp, burp, ahhhhh!

Apple has grown up, finally. They are introducing useable apps that make things easier for a lot of people. They are leading the way in that area. The new 17" iMac is terrific. If you want the ultimate in expandability they offer those kind of computers as well. The Powermacs will be upgraded pretty soon. But, how many of you are really going to buy them? Do you guys actually work for a living or do you get the $$$ from your parents? (I know some of you are grownups and take things as they come, rather then whining at the slightlest thing). This forum sucks. I left once before because the inmates took over the asylum so to speak. It's happening again. This was a very good Keynote. Some amazing things were demoed. When some of you grow up, maybe you'll understand this. Until then..... goo... goo... burp, burp!

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macaddict · July 17, 2002 2:46PM

[quote]PLEASE migrate to Wintel, shovelheads. Do it and go, once and for all.

Jeez-louise.<hr></blockquote>

I'd watch it buddy. You say that a lot, and the more Apple marketshare shrinks, the less industry impact they have. You're pushing people the wrong way.

[quote]Some of you people have NO IDEA how good you have it. The nicest, coolest OS, married with the slickest, sexiest hardware...and augmented with some of the easiest-to-use, intuitive apps EVER.<hr></blockquote>

OS X is a nice operating system, and the first iApps (iTunes, iMovie, etc) were pretty nice. They however, are not groundbreaking at all, and lately they've been getting lamer and lamer. C'mon, iChat? I couldn't think of anything that would make me want to use that over plain bloated AIM, let alone something like Trillian on the PC, or Fire! on the Mac. The slickest hardware? Apple's desktops are horrible. The PowerBook is nice, and the iBook is reasonable, but Apple makes very poor, overpriced desktop hardware.

[quote]There was nothing but good stuff in today's keynote. Apple is on track, is strong, gets the "big picture", is doing amazing stuff, etc.<hr></blockquote>

Every year, every MacWorld, AIers (esp. Tigerwoods), tell me how I and others will regret using a PC, once Apple releases new MacWorld stuff. It's amazing how outragous people get, even those who have been listening to keynotes for years. I roll my eyes, becuase no longer do I depend on keynotes for new hardware. Apple has no reason to pull ahead of the x86 hardware world...they're in their own little path. nForce2 or whatever will never appear on the Mac. Apple updates only when they must.

Even you, pscates, expect what most would call very little of Apple each MW. When everyone else says "1.4GHz G4s, on nForce mobos with DDR", you are more conservative...I remember you saying on record that you were expecting some new PowerMacs. Then it didn't happen. And you blame everyone for griping that Apple doesn't touch their flagship computer for 6 months. You sort of switch sides like that...getting all excited, then saying we should be happy with what there is.

[quote]And because some of you didn't get to see a dual 1.6GHz G5 unveiled, you're going to lose your minds and bitch and moan all day long.<hr></blockquote>

^^^

[quote]PLEASE: "Switch" to Windows if you're THAT disappointed and just can't get your work done on a Mac.<hr></blockquote>

Please do. I did and the PC world is quite a bit more exciting. The tech you want is available already.

[quote]I'm sick of listening to your doomsday bullcrap.

Fairweather, drama queen mother****ers...<hr></blockquote>

I can see it now...when everyone switches, pscates will still be on his iMac, designing some new tangerine iDevice, and constantly yelling about how the Mac world is so much better without all of those PC users, and he doesn't care, the past MW was just great, etc.

alcimedes · July 17, 2002 2:47PM

yeah, i'm still confused as to what people are tripping about after today.

here's what i saw.

1. significant software updates.

2. kick ass OS updates.

3. signs in both hardware and software that Apple is listening to its customers.

4. cool new iPods. (windows as well, cash up the wazoo!)

5. services that are being charged for that were just sucking money before.

i'm sorry, but from a business perspective, this is very impressive. the towers didn't come out today, but they weren't supposed to either. everyone is saying in a few weeks we'll see something.

in the meantime, i feel Apple is heading in the right direction, and i'm impressed with their concepts.

as windows moves to control and restrict, apple is working to expand and embrace. lots of open standards, industry acceptance of ideas/hardware. good stuff.

yevgeny · July 17, 2002 2:54PM

I hate Apple. They don't give me services for free. Their OS is cool and great but that means nothing to me. Their software is reliable and the OS modern but I really don't care. All I want is a faster processor. If I had a better CPU in a box, I could open the lid on occasion and look into it and stroke my precious. My precioussss...

The idea that Apple has a technology that auto identifies printers and other devices on a network is meaningless to me because I am so entralled with my high end CPU that I don't notice that it takes me time to make things work. I just spend my time doing IS work thinking about how many idle CPU cycles my CPU has at its disposal.

I could never buy a Mac because then I would loose the only thing that matters in my life: bragging rights over how fast my CPU is. Soo quick...

I mean REALLY now, folks. Apple did just ship a rather nice upgrade to OS X. Faster towers will come once the current inventory is reduced. You can whine that your OS upgrade costs money, but that is how things work.

buonrotto · July 17, 2002 2:57PM

Oh, these rants have finally convinced me to dump my Mac. Really, I mean, why even consider that both Macs and PCs each have their place, that each has its strength and weaknesses? PC are better than Macs in every conceivable way. Now you have to pay for services! Yes, you have to! you don't have to do that on PCs! And they're the same thing, only cheaper. So what if they're not as elegant, learn fix or use. Macs don't deserve to exist! Nothing makes for an enjoyable computing experience like clock cycles! That's where the future's at! I mean, it's sll about what you got, not how you use it, right? Get with it, everybody. Sell your Macs. No, don't sell, that would be fraudulent to place any value in them. Throw them out. Move up to Windows and you will see the light at the end of the tunnel -- the future! You will see! You must see!

groverat · July 17, 2002 3:05PM

And thus, rationalization sets in.

You know, there are scientific theories that indicate that we don't actually control our action in any real way, we simply rationalize our actions after we do them. To wit: higher-level thinking skills are merely tools to justify behaviors.

Suddenly lack of choice is a good thing?

eugene · July 17, 2002 3:05PM

My only gripe is that iTools was free and .Mac is $100 with no lower cost options.

1) $100 is too much (though I already paid). $50-70 is much more reasonable.

2) There should be an option that mirrors the old (e-mail, 20 MB iDisk, all the other iTools) + the current/coming .Mac services. $30.

bobthetomato · July 17, 2002 3:07PM

[quote]Originally posted by scadboy:

For ****'s sake, Apple's given us so much software for nothing, maybe it'd be easier to swallow if you thought of it as a yearly iApp license fee, entitling you to all the iTunes, iCal, iSync, iMovie, and iDVD you can eat.

<hr></blockquote>

And to use all these you need a what? A Mac, that's right. Now does Uncle Steve give away Macs? No he doesn't, that's right, very good. Now Uncle Steve told us a magic story about iTools and how it was ours free just for owning a Mac (and left unsaid was buying lots of Macs makes Apple money). Now Steve is telling us we have to pay lots of money for this Service which we already gave him lots of money for when we bought our Macs.

Seriously, I wonder if there is a possibility of a class action suit like when Apple tried to wriggle out of its lifetime free support for Performas and started trying to make users pay for support. Apple sold a lot of Macs touting these free services and now they've announced instead of the promised free service we've got to pay. I'd sign up if a suit got started.

groverat · July 17, 2002 3:09PM

No lawsuits, but very bad faith.

[quote]Apple sold a lot of Macs touting these free services and now they've announced instead of the promised free service we've got to pay.<hr></blockquote>

Shut up, Apple is perfect.

fluffy · July 17, 2002 3:11PM

[quote]Originally posted by groverat:



You know, there are scientific theories that indicate that we don't actually control our action in any real way, we simply rationalize our actions after we do them. To wit: higher-level thinking skills are merely tools to justify behaviors.<hr></blockquote>

In which case the thought that went into that theory is simply an ad hoc justification for an innate desire to deny responsibility for personal choices.

buonrotto · July 17, 2002 3:13PM

Wrong, groverat!

No! NOOOOOOOOOO!

Apple is wrong a bout everything!

EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!

They don't do anything right! nothing! Say it! Say it! you know it's true! They screw up everything and can never be right because they're not Microsoft!

Microsoft on the other hand is of cource perfect! Don't even try to claim that it's a little bit of good and bad for both companies!! That's bullshit! That' s impossible!

Now you shut up! Apple is ALWAYS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whiny, hand-wringing baby freaks...

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