I don't think this is particularly directed at Google/Nest. As homekit devices become available, I can't imagine them stocking any non-homekit product when there is a homekit equivalent.
Why would they want to sell devices that don't work with their platform? Eventually consumers will expect that all home automation devices sold by apple work with homekit. That's one of the main reasons I shop from the apple store, I don't want to play trial-and-error with devices that claim to support iOS/OSX but only provide a limited feature set or don't take advantage of iOS/OSX's features. Especially now that homekit devices will be effortlessly controlled by the apple watch.
This is the kind of anti-competitive behavior that I used to hate when Microsoft did it. Why is it ok for Apple to do it?
If a product is for sale in the store, one would presume that it is because Apple thought it was a good product that consumers would be interested in. The only reason to take it out of the store is if that changes. If it does, they should say so. For example, take Beats headphones out of the store because they are overpriced and not durable.
Taking a product out of the store because they compete with Apple implies that the Apple product isn't as good, and can't handle a level playing field. Is FitBit such a threat to AppleWatch?
Tony Fadell, very recently interviewed by the BBC, where he discusses 'smart home" initiatives, the Apple Watch, and the header item Google Glass which is only briefly touched on.
Hope the "Godfather" feels the financial pain. Godfather my arse (some CNBC producer looking for something catchy in his lower third) , inspired by Braun and it was Schiller who conceived the click wheel if I'm not mistaken.
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You are mistaken. Synaptics invented the click-wheel for the iPod, the mini, to be exact. Apple did not conceive the idea.
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Schiller conceived of the scroll wheel being used for navigation, to be exact. The CW wasn't even on the radar in 2001.
I thought it was originally conceived by Almon Brown Strowger in 1892.
This is the kind of anti-competitive behavior that I used to hate when Microsoft did it. Why is it ok for Apple to do it?
If a product is for sale in the store, one would presume that it is because Apple thought it was a good product that consumers would be interested in. The only reason to take it out of the store is if that changes. If it does, they should say so. For example, take Beats headphones out of the store because they are overpriced and not durable.
Taking a product out of the store because they compete with Apple implies that the Apple product isn't as good, and can't handle a level playing field. Is FitBit such a threat to AppleWatch?
This is the kind of anti-competitive behavior that I used to hate when Microsoft did it. Why is it ok for Apple to do it?
If a product is for sale in the store, one would presume that it is because Apple thought it was a good product that consumers would be interested in. The only reason to take it out of the store is if that changes. If it does, they should say so. For example, take Beats headphones out of the store because they are overpriced and not durable.
Taking a product out of the store because they compete with Apple implies that the Apple product isn't as good, and can't handle a level playing field. Is FitBit such a threat to AppleWatch?
I've replaced 7 Nest Protects in my house within the past year because of false alarms. One by one they detected smoke when there wasn't any, and after multiple falsies at 2am I had to pull out my ladder, disconnect all of them, and throw them into the trunk of my car until the morning. Although Nest replaced them for me under warranty it leaves me awake at night wondering when the next false alarm will traumatize my kids. To make things worse I can't turn off these gen 1 smoke detectors with the app (like the gen 2 units are able to do now), nor with their "wave" feature that was disabled and never resolved.
According to Mashable, the Homekit that Apple promote is Ecobee 3. Homekit is not really attractive yet at this price point. I mean Ecobee 3 at $250 to monitor a room temperature is really ridiculous. My body can feel the comfortable ambient in the room without the need of a thermostat. At least now Ecobee 3 is the only one include a remote sensor with the smart thermostat for this price, not Nest or whatever. These products should drop to $100 to sell.
Supposedly, the ROI is on HVAC Fuel savings -- efficiently providing comfort at reduced costs. We live in the SF East Bay area.
We installed a new HVAC a little over a month ago -- just as the seasonal temperature rises to the 86-90 range.
Our last PG&E bill rose from $330 to $483 with the new HVAC and a "loaner" Honeywell thermostat.
The contractor installed the Ecobee3 on Wednesday with wireless remote temperature/motion sensors in the upstairs bedrooms ...
The ecobee has a feature called "Follow Me" where the thermostat setting is automatically averaged with the temperature of occupied rooms.
We got a chance to test this feature yesterday as afternoon naps were in order -- the downstairs ecobee was set to 80 and the occupied bedrooms were 82 and 84 (as the sun moved from the front to back of the house. The system adjusted and kept running until the occupied bedrooms got within range (mostly running the AC at low power).
Certainly, this is anecdotal -- but I suspect we'll be able to keep the PG&E bills under $500 during the peak cooling season -- July-August.
In the winter months, we run the fireplace (spare the air permitting) and use about 3/4 cord of wood costing ~$400/year. We use the HVAC fan and seldom run the furnace.
It appears that the ecobee "follow me" feature will support our needs comfortably and economically. I suspect that the ecobee will pay for itself in less than a year.
Question is, will Nest become HomeKit compatible?!
Exactly! Also, security is what matters most to me. If HomeKit is going to be what makes everything work together to automate and secure the home of the future, then I'm glad Apple is taking their time to make sure everything is right. Better that HomeKit is delayed than being rushed to market with security holes. I have the 1st generation Nest thermostat and it's worked great all these years. But, if it's not HomeKit compatible, I'm going to switch to something else.
Supposedly, the ROI is on HVAC Fuel savings -- efficiently providing comfort at reduced costs. We live in the SF East Bay area.
We installed a new HVAC a little over a month ago -- just as the seasonal temperature rises to the 86-90 range.
Our last PG&E bill rose from $330 to $483 with the new HVAC and a "loaner" Honeywell thermostat.
The contractor installed the Ecobee3 on Wednesday with wireless remote temperature/motion sensors in the upstairs bedrooms ...
The ecobee has a feature called "Follow Me" where the thermostat setting is automatically averaged with the temperature of occupied rooms.
We got a chance to test this feature yesterday as afternoon naps were in order -- the downstairs ecobee was set to 80 and the occupied bedrooms were 82 and 84 (as the sun moved from the front to back of the house. The system adjusted and kept running until the occupied bedrooms got within range (mostly running the AC at low power).
Certainly, this is anecdotal -- but I suspect we'll be able to keep the PG&E bills under $500 during the peak cooling season -- July-August.
In the winter months, we run the fireplace (spare the air permitting) and use about 3/4 cord of wood costing ~$400/year. We use the HVAC fan and seldom run the furnace.
It appears that the ecobee "follow me" feature will support our needs comfortably and economically. I suspect that the ecobee will pay for itself in less than a year.
I understand how Ecobee3 works I really like it. I just don't like the price. To me, if you really need to control the HVAC sufficiently, switch valve in HVAC system would be great...it directs cool air directly to the room occupied and ignore the rest. Who can make that type of valves? Maybe I should patent it...lol.
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I don't think this is particularly directed at Google/Nest. As homekit devices become available, I can't imagine them stocking any non-homekit product when there is a homekit equivalent.
Why would they want to sell devices that don't work with their platform? Eventually consumers will expect that all home automation devices sold by apple work with homekit. That's one of the main reasons I shop from the apple store, I don't want to play trial-and-error with devices that claim to support iOS/OSX but only provide a limited feature set or don't take advantage of iOS/OSX's features. Especially now that homekit devices will be effortlessly controlled by the apple watch.
You are mistaken. Synaptics invented the click-wheel for the iPod, the mini, to be exact. Apple did not conceive the idea.
Schiller conceived of the scroll wheel being used for navigation, to be exact. The CW wasn't even on the radar in 2001.
This is the kind of anti-competitive behavior that I used to hate when Microsoft did it. Why is it ok for Apple to do it?
If a product is for sale in the store, one would presume that it is because Apple thought it was a good product that consumers would be interested in. The only reason to take it out of the store is if that changes. If it does, they should say so. For example, take Beats headphones out of the store because they are overpriced and not durable.
Taking a product out of the store because they compete with Apple implies that the Apple product isn't as good, and can't handle a level playing field. Is FitBit such a threat to AppleWatch?
You are mistaken. Synaptics invented the click-wheel for the iPod, the mini, to be exact. Apple did not conceive the idea.
Apple came up with the very specific concept, and Synaptics built it to spec, and Apple has patents for it.
WhiteFalcon is correct.
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Sucks to be on Apple's shit list.
Hope the "Godfather" feels the financial pain. Godfather my arse (some CNBC producer looking for something catchy in his lower third) , inspired by Braun and it was Schiller who conceived the click wheel if I'm not mistaken.
You are mistaken. Synaptics invented the click-wheel for the iPod, the mini, to be exact. Apple did not conceive the idea.
Schiller conceived of the scroll wheel being used for navigation, to be exact. The CW wasn't even on the radar in 2001.
I thought it was originally conceived by Almon Brown Strowger in 1892.
why? mine works fine.
should McDonald's sell Big Macs?
should McDonald's sell Big Macs?
No. I wouldn't feed that to my dog.
None of that makes any sense.
This is the kind of anti-competitive behavior that I used to hate when Microsoft did it. Why is it ok for Apple to do it?
Since when is it considered "anti-competitive" to decide what you want to sell in your own store?
Supposedly, the ROI is on HVAC Fuel savings -- efficiently providing comfort at reduced costs. We live in the SF East Bay area.
We installed a new HVAC a little over a month ago -- just as the seasonal temperature rises to the 86-90 range.
Our last PG&E bill rose from $330 to $483 with the new HVAC and a "loaner" Honeywell thermostat.
The contractor installed the Ecobee3 on Wednesday with wireless remote temperature/motion sensors in the upstairs bedrooms ...
The ecobee has a feature called "Follow Me" where the thermostat setting is automatically averaged with the temperature of occupied rooms.
We got a chance to test this feature yesterday as afternoon naps were in order -- the downstairs ecobee was set to 80 and the occupied bedrooms were 82 and 84 (as the sun moved from the front to back of the house. The system adjusted and kept running until the occupied bedrooms got within range (mostly running the AC at low power).
Certainly, this is anecdotal -- but I suspect we'll be able to keep the PG&E bills under $500 during the peak cooling season -- July-August.
In the winter months, we run the fireplace (spare the air permitting) and use about 3/4 cord of wood costing ~$400/year. We use the HVAC fan and seldom run the furnace.
It appears that the ecobee "follow me" feature will support our needs comfortably and economically. I suspect that the ecobee will pay for itself in less than a year.
Ha! Always wanted to use that in a sentence ...
- Eloi-free Applebaum
Good, took long enough. Google owned spyware products do not below in Apple Stores.
I agree with this...I don't want any Google products in my home.
Question is, will Nest become HomeKit compatible?!
Exactly! Also, security is what matters most to me. If HomeKit is going to be what makes everything work together to automate and secure the home of the future, then I'm glad Apple is taking their time to make sure everything is right. Better that HomeKit is delayed than being rushed to market with security holes. I have the 1st generation Nest thermostat and it's worked great all these years. But, if it's not HomeKit compatible, I'm going to switch to something else.
Supposedly, the ROI is on HVAC Fuel savings -- efficiently providing comfort at reduced costs. We live in the SF East Bay area.
We installed a new HVAC a little over a month ago -- just as the seasonal temperature rises to the 86-90 range.
Our last PG&E bill rose from $330 to $483 with the new HVAC and a "loaner" Honeywell thermostat.
The contractor installed the Ecobee3 on Wednesday with wireless remote temperature/motion sensors in the upstairs bedrooms ...
The ecobee has a feature called "Follow Me" where the thermostat setting is automatically averaged with the temperature of occupied rooms.
We got a chance to test this feature yesterday as afternoon naps were in order -- the downstairs ecobee was set to 80 and the occupied bedrooms were 82 and 84 (as the sun moved from the front to back of the house. The system adjusted and kept running until the occupied bedrooms got within range (mostly running the AC at low power).
Certainly, this is anecdotal -- but I suspect we'll be able to keep the PG&E bills under $500 during the peak cooling season -- July-August.
In the winter months, we run the fireplace (spare the air permitting) and use about 3/4 cord of wood costing ~$400/year. We use the HVAC fan and seldom run the furnace.
It appears that the ecobee "follow me" feature will support our needs comfortably and economically. I suspect that the ecobee will pay for itself in less than a year.
I understand how Ecobee3 works I really like it. I just don't like the price. To me, if you really need to control the HVAC sufficiently, switch valve in HVAC system would be great...it directs cool air directly to the room occupied and ignore the rest. Who can make that type of valves? Maybe I should patent it...lol.
I agree with this...I don't want any Google products in my home.
The Nest may track your activity to send to Google marketing group?
The Nest may track your activity to send to Google marketing group?
Probably not...but Google is not a company I can trust.
Best.