'iPad Pro' parts shipments starting in Sept. with new display tech & suppliers - report

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  • Reply 21 of 57
    ingelaingela Posts: 217member

    I'm definitely interested. As long as the pressure capabilities are good and I can swing the cost, I will most likely buy one.



    But probably wouldn't upgrade it again for at least 3 years.

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  • Reply 22 of 57
    bsenka wrote: »
    Looking ahead, if this tablet is adopted in enterprise or education, there could be a high enough density of users that your non-paired stylus could be writing on my tablet accidently. A good Apple product needs to address all possible situations, not just those you can imagine.

    I've worked in a large studio with 30-40 people in one room using Wacom tablets at the same time -- that simply never happens.

    Now make that 300 to 400 people in that department...then add an equal number on the floor above that department radiating signals downward... now do it again with those on the floor below your department... now multiply the whole thing with bluetooth from keyboards and other devices and you can see the size of the problem can be immense.
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  • Reply 23 of 57
    1983 wrote: »
    Glass-Film, Glass-Film-Film. What's the difference?

    "Film" ;)
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  • Reply 24 of 57
    Two things seem obvious:

    A. That Apple wouldn't be interested in simply cloning the exact same touch sensitivity approach that Wacom uses.

    B. That there's always the possibility that Wacom's touch sensitivity approach could be improved upon.

    That said, it's not guaranteed that Apple is really trying to beat Wacom's high end products that are specific to artists. It may be more oriented towards improving the experience for a wide range of uses, including art.

    Apple could also be thinking of software algorithms to improve what the hardware can do for accuracy.

    Very clever those Cupertinoans....
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  • Reply 25 of 57
    bsenkabsenka Posts: 802member
    Now make that 300 to 400 people in that department...then add an equal number on the floor above that department radiating signals downward... now do it again with those on the floor below your department... now multiply the whole thing with bluetooth from keyboards and other devices and you can see the size of the problem can be immense.

    Yes.. All the more reason not to have paired peripherals.
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  • Reply 26 of 57



    A tax policy that encouraged Multinationals to invest in the US would make an impact on the choice of where to invest. Today with up to a 35% hit to use cash earned from sales in China or the other Asian nations, companies have a tough time justifying technology investments in the US. This has to change or the HG Wells scenario you discuss will keep happening. 

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  • Reply 27 of 57
    vl-tonevl-tone Posts: 337member

    You say iPad Pro, I say iPad Plus.

     

    My dad is not a 'pro' and would love a bigger screen iPad.

     

    I know some older folks that bought an original MS Surface because they thought the 10.6" screen was bigger than the iPad. The truth is, the iPad still had a bigger screen area because it's a 9.7" diagonal on a 4:3 screen while the original Surface was 10.6" on 16:9.

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  • Reply 28 of 57
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Originally Posted by bsenka View Post





    Yes.. All the more reason not to have paired peripherals.



    I know right? It is like the thousands of people on the highway at rush hour are hearing each other's phone conversations through their BT ear phones. Sure, that happens everyday. /s

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  • Reply 29 of 57
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Originally Posted by Ruggedchess View Post

     



    A tax policy that encouraged Multinationals to invest in the US would make an impact on the choice of where to invest. Today with up to a 35% hit to use cash earned from sales in China or the other Asian nations, companies have a tough time justifying technology investments in the US. This has to change or the HG Wells scenario you discuss will keep happening. 




    There would be no tax repatriation if the devices were made in the USA. 

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  • Reply 30 of 57
    mstone wrote: »

    There would be no tax repatriation if the devices were made in the USA. 

    Could never happen at US labor rates. Make everything with robots and it could possibly happen.
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  • Reply 31 of 57
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post





    Could never happen at US labor rates. Make everything with robots and it could possibly happen.



    Sure I agree, robots would be essential to manufacturing in the US, but we should also consider that although Chinese workers are only making perhaps $20 per day, they do receive a lot of benefits such as housing, food, medical, utilities, entertainment, etc. which could add up to another $20 per day in wage cash facilities. Then add in the the 30+% tax repatriation expense and you start getting closer. But as you have pointed out in the past, you would need to get by the minimum wage mandate. There are a lot of unemployed low skilled workers in the US although many are illegal.

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  • Reply 32 of 57
    palegolaspalegolas Posts: 1,362member
    bsenka wrote: »
    Wacom makes a 13" portable Cintiq device that has both a stylus and touch sensitivity. It does have a bit of a bezel, but not much. Even the regular Wacom tablets have touch as well.
    I've worked in a large studio with 30-40 people in one room using Wacom tablets at the same time -- that simply never happens.
    The cintiqs are good, and it's been a blessing with the battery free pen for all these years. But they too have problems.
    1. Too thick glass = too much parallax. The iPad is virtually zero parallax. This will be the most significant lead over Wacom.
    2. Precision issues. The fact that Cintiqs need to be user calibrated says it all. You need to take into account stuff like viewing angle, because of the parallax problem.
    3. Probably due to the inductive, magnetic, passive design it doesn't at all sense the tip of the pen, but rather sensors inside the pen, pin pointing where the tip is located. This method is not as precise as actually sensing the tip on the glass.
    4. Charging could be designed elegantly, like magnetising the stylus to the side of the iPad to an inductive charging area.
    5. Current Bluetooth is really low power, so I think there'll be few occasions where battery will pose a problem. They could potentially use NFC? I don't know how battery use and NFC? But as you hinted at(?), a whole office with Bluetooth devices might prove troublesome.
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  • Reply 33 of 57
    Nice, it's about time! I've been waiting for a bigger iPad for awhile now. I was always more interested in a 13" size than the 8" Mini. I'm just worried how much more it'll cost over the regular iPad.
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  • Reply 34 of 57
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    Ah yes, Apple like most of the high-tech industry in Silicon Valley, is funding the development of extremely sophisticated manufacturing in Asia%u2014here these new screens. As for us, judging by their at-home investments, Apple's corporate executives view most of us as like the child-like Eloi of H. G. Wells The Time Machine. Not bright enough to do anything sophisticated, only endless entertainment interests us. That's why so many Apple commercials show adults dancing around like children in preschool.

    You forgot to stamp your little feet.

     

    And until you suburban upper-middle-class types want to start working for cheap wages, please do be quiet because it's highly embarrassing when First Worlders go on with their holier-than-thou routines with their houses stocked with Chinese made products.

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  • Reply 35 of 57
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    Originally Posted by MrMac85 View Post



    Nice, it's about time! I've been waiting for a bigger iPad for awhile now. I was always more interested in a 13" size than the 8" Mini. I'm just worried how much more it'll cost over the regular iPad.

    I think the Pro's price can't realistically exceed the price of a MBA. So. I'm guessing $895.

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  • Reply 36 of 57
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post





    Could never happen at US labor rates. Make everything with robots and it could possibly happen.



    Sure I agree, robots would be essential to manufacturing in the US, but we should also consider that although Chinese workers are only making perhaps $20 per day, they do receive a lot of benefits such as housing, food, medical, utilities, entertainment, etc. which could add up to another $20 per day in wage cash facilities. Then add in the the 30+% tax repatriation expense and you start getting closer. But as you have pointed out in the past, you would need to get by the minimum wage mandate. There are a lot of unemployed low skilled workers in the US although many are illegal.


    Low skilled workers couldn't do what the line workers at Foxxcom do. It's a misconception that drones can do what worker bees do.

     

    Robots can work tirelessly and accurately but require highly skilled and educated people to set up and service.

     

    Finally, let's discuss worker productivity. The Chinese line worker has a great incentive to be productive as there are thousands of potential replacement milling around outside waiting for them to fall down on the job.

     

    The less said about hiring illegals for factory work the better.

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  • Reply 37 of 57
    SpamSandwichspamsandwich Posts: 33,407member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Macky the Macky View Post

     

    I think the Pro's price can't realistically exceed the price of a MBA. So. I'm guessing $895.




    Well, the tricked out iPad Air 2 with 128 GB and cellular goes for $829, but with the minimal configuration starting as low as $499...

     

    I think a top-end iPad Pro could easily exceed $1,000.

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  • Reply 38 of 57
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    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

     
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Macky the Macky View Post

     

    I think the Pro's price can't realistically exceed the price of a MBA. So. I'm guessing $895.




    Well, the tricked out iPad Air 2 with 128 GB and cellular goes for $829, but with the minimal configuration starting as low as $499...

     

    I think a top-end iPad Pro could easily exceed $1,000.


    I agree with you, but I didn't clarify as I was thinking of entry-level configurations as that's how most pricing is set...

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  • Reply 39 of 57
    iPad Pro will be a waste of time if it's running iOS in anything like its current state. There is no access to the file system, and things that should be simple, are not. If they want to put a legitimate OS on this then it has the possibility to be awesome. If they put a version of iOS on there, no thank you.
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  • Reply 40 of 57
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    farjamed wrote: »
    iPad Pro will be a waste of time if it's running iOS in anything like its current state. There is no access to the file system, and things that should be simple, are not. If they want to put a legitimate OS on this then it has the possibility to be awesome. If they put a version of iOS on there, no thank you.

    LOL Three posts in 5 years and you're saying iOS isn't an illegitimate operating system and wanting ridiculous access to the "file system" and probably want a USB-A port so you can plug in a mouse. I'm afraid to look at your other two posts.
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