Has the rest of the watchmaking industry exploded in anger at some subversion of the standard? Or do you think many of them invest in advanced metallurgy techniques as well to maximize the alloy process, all while still adhering to the industry standard?
No idea. Others may be doing something similar. Kitco is not a producer of watches nor jewelry so they'd have no reason to take sides AFAIK.
FWIW here's a generally plain-English explanation about it. Unless Apple is practicing the method described in their patent they wouldn't be claiming twice the hardness of standard 18K gold now would they? Pretty much common sense IMHO. http://leancrew.com/all-this/2015/03/apple-gold/
case weight of the edition is 55 grams per the Apple website.
No idea where you are getting your fictional information from.
I didn't read Apple website. My estimation based in Rolex case.
Btw, the LG case is more in line with Rolex case. With the buckle, I would say it's around 1.5 oz which is ~$750 in gold value. So, the rest of the LG watch costs ~$450 which still gives LG great profit. Even with 2 oz of gold (~$1000), LG still makes profit because the gut is pos for $200.
Go to the Apple website under watch edition and it says the case weight is 55 grams.
18k gold is 75% gold.
55 grams x 75% = 41.25 grams = 1.40 ounces.
And that does not even count the gold in the band, which is easily another 5-15 grams depending on model.
Don't be too lazy to read a link when it's helpfully offered. What is your explanation for Apple claiming their gold alloy is 50% harder and more scratch-resistant than standard 18K gold if they aren't practising their patented process (patent applied for anyway) that offers those benefits? They couldn't be using the standard mix you seem to think they are. http://goo.gl/QcJi8a
For those that don't read links which may include you Sog. Dunno. :
"As an example, assume a conventional 18k gold alloy with 75% gold (19.3 g/cc), 15% silver (10.5 g/cc), and 10% copper (8.96 g/cc) by weight. The alloy will have a density of
10.7519.3+0.1510.5+0.108.96=15.6g/cc
A cubic centimeter of this alloy will contain
0.75×15.6=11.7g
of gold.
Now assume an 18k gold with 75% gold and 25% boron carbide by weight (that’s one of the ceramics mentioned in Apple’s patent). Boron carbide has a density of 2.52 g/cc, so a gold/boron carbide metal matrix composite would have a density of about
10.7519.3+0.252.52=7.24g/cc
A cubic centimeter of this material will contain only
but we are NOT measuring volume. We don't give a crap about cubic centimeters. We are talking GRAMS and OUNCES. Who the HELL buys 14k gold by volume? idiots only.
I'm giving you the WEIGHT of the Gold Apple Watch case not the VOLUME of it.
55 gram case weight x 75% gold = 1.40 ounces of gold.
So the entire weight of the Apple Watch sans band is 75% gold? Battery, display, various and sundry pieces and parts have no weight?
Carry on sir. Apple's 18K gold is harder and more scratch resistant by magic then, as if most of us didn't already know that. They aren't practicing their patent which requires less gold to achieve 18K, no sireee...
All the professionals are wrong as is oft the case with your posts.
So a watch casing of that [B]size[/B] from another manufacturer would have more gold content that Apple's. but [B]per gram[/B] the gold content is the same. Then my apologies sir. The 55 gram Apple Watch actually has gold value of about $1500 rather than $600 or less. I appreciate the correction. Sincerely. I was wrong on the 1/2 oz figure.
EDIT: And you're absolutely correct again that there's no shame in being wrong when you learn from it. It 's not the first time I've made a mistake and won't be the last, but I do attempt to recognize it when it happens and don't mind saying this time...
"Apple’s patent application is for a method that allows them to make 18k gold that has, [SIZE=28px]on a volume basis[/SIZE], less gold than regular 18k gold."
The karat measure of gold is based on the [SIZE=28px]mass fraction[/SIZE]. One hundred grams of 18k gold has 75 grams of gold and 25 grams of other material. If that “other material” is a low-density ceramic, it [SIZE=28px]takes up a bigger volume[/SIZE] than if it’s a high-density metal. Because the casing of a watch is made to a particular size (i.e. volume), not to a particular weight, the ?Watch will have less gold in it than an 18k case made of a conventional alloy."
There is no fucking measurement in entire planet measuring kara by volume. Why? Because volume may contain casts...Eureka reminds him of something?
So a watch casing of that size from another manufacturer would have more gold content that Apple's. but per gram the gold content is the same. Then my apologies sir. The 55 gram Apple Watch actually has gold value of about $1500 rather than $600 or less. I appreciate the correction. Sincerely. I was wrong on the 1/2 oz figure.
EDIT: And you're absolutely correct again that there's no shame in being wrong when you learn from it. It 's not the first time I've made a mistake and won't be the last, but I do attempt to recognize it when it happens and don't mind saying this time...
I was wrong.
I think you should watch the metal processing video for Apple watch to understand more about metal composition. The case size depending on composition. Gold + ceramics will have more volume than gold + copper not accounting casts and hollows.
no it's not. The total amount of gold in the Watch is around 1 ounce. Btw, gold in the watch is 18k which is cheaper ...around $900/oz.
I just weighed my SS watch, band and all, at 3.2 ounces, sure not the same as gold just a rough estimate. Then I looked up the price per gram of 23K gold...
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FWIW here's a generally plain-English explanation about it. Unless Apple is practicing the method described in their patent they wouldn't be claiming twice the hardness of standard 18K gold now would they? Pretty much common sense IMHO.
http://leancrew.com/all-this/2015/03/apple-gold/
i don't know whether to laugh or facepalm. Both, maybe?
Btw, the LG case is more in line with Rolex case. With the buckle, I would say it's around 1.5 oz which is ~$750 in gold value. So, the rest of the LG watch costs ~$450 which still gives LG great profit. Even with 2 oz of gold (~$1000), LG still makes profit because the gut is pos for $200.
http://goo.gl/QcJi8a
For those that don't read links which may include you Sog. Dunno. :
"As an example, assume a conventional 18k gold alloy with 75% gold (19.3 g/cc), 15% silver (10.5 g/cc), and 10% copper (8.96 g/cc) by weight. The alloy will have a density of
10.7519.3+0.1510.5+0.108.96=15.6g/cc
A cubic centimeter of this alloy will contain
0.75×15.6=11.7g
of gold.
Now assume an 18k gold with 75% gold and 25% boron carbide by weight (that’s one of the ceramics mentioned in Apple’s patent). Boron carbide has a density of 2.52 g/cc, so a gold/boron carbide metal matrix composite would have a density of about
10.7519.3+0.252.52=7.24g/cc
A cubic centimeter of this material will contain only
0.75×7.24=5.43g
of gold. Here, the gold takes up
5.43g19.3g/cc=0.28cc
or 28% of the volume."
"ABSTRACT
A metal matrix composite using as one of the components a precious metal is described. In one embodiment, the precious metal takes the form of gold and the metal matrix composite has a gold mass fraction in accordance with 18 k...
https://www.google.com/patents/WO2014200770A1?cl=en&dq=gold+mass+fraction+inassignee:apple&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAWoVChMI6-jU-fvTxwIVCp-ACh1crQ6i
Carry on sir. Apple's 18K gold is harder and more scratch resistant by magic then, as if most of us didn't already know that. They aren't practicing their patent which requires less gold to achieve 18K, no sireee...
All the professionals are wrong as is oft the case with your posts.
So a watch casing of that [B]size[/B] from another manufacturer would have more gold content that Apple's. but [B]per gram[/B] the gold content is the same. Then my apologies sir. The 55 gram Apple Watch actually has gold value of about $1500 rather than $600 or less. I appreciate the correction. Sincerely. I was wrong on the 1/2 oz figure.
EDIT: And you're absolutely correct again that there's no shame in being wrong when you learn from it. It 's not the first time I've made a mistake and won't be the last, but I do attempt to recognize it when it happens and don't mind saying this time...
I was wrong.
There is no fucking measurement in entire planet measuring kara by volume. Why? Because volume may contain casts...Eureka reminds him of something?
What's with all the gold plated android wear watches lately.......oh right....
no it's not. The total amount of gold in the Watch is around 1 ounce. Btw, gold in the watch is 18k which is cheaper ...around $900/oz.
I just weighed my SS watch, band and all, at 3.2 ounces, sure not the same as gold just a rough estimate. Then I looked up the price per gram of 23K gold...
Converted 3.2 oz to grams = 85g x $34.94 = $2,970
But even if you go by Sog @ 55g it still comes out to be $1,922