Ah. Yeah, that's a big chip, but my guess is that it's likely still discreet. I guess we'll find out in a couple weeks. Two weeks from today, most likely, when iFixit flying to New Zealand or Australia to wait in line and then tear one down for us.
Apple said the M9 was now inside the A9.
"M9, Apple’s next-generation motion coprocessor, is embedded into A9, allowing more features to run all the time at lower power, including “Hey Siri,” without iPhone needing to be plugged in." (under the Advanced Technology section)
If the battery is fine then you are probabily a power user. For 90% of users the battery last the whole day.
As a power user you probabily need to either change your user habits or buy a battery case.
In an ordinary day what are you doing with your phone? how many hours of GPS, Wifi, movies, ect.
Apple currently tells me to get lost when I try to get it checked, pawning the issue off onto the iOS 9 beta, ignoring the fact this was an issue under 8 as well even after a reset and restore. I don't use GPS at all, or movies. Podcasts, browsing, messaging, 99% of which is on wifi. A few minutes of BT a week for AirDrop, it stays off the rest of the time.
When I finally get the GM of 9 (because screw you public beta users!) I'll take it into the Apple Store again and get them to recheck it, though I'm sure some other boogaloo will come up and I'll end up replacing it myself.
iOS unfortunately has serious issues
In a time long ago, I thought it was jailbreaking that caused the issues, but ever since I moved to the iPhone 5s and then 6 plus, I didn't jailbreak.
Some of my iPhones have been factory reset and set up from scratch, but with many apps installed iOS just can't hack it:
Suddenly the phone gets way hot, and one can almost watch the battery meter go down because somethings spin out of control (but because users are locked out, no way of telling what).
I have zombie apps: I delete them, after power cycle or reset they are back, other apps are half installed and can not be deleted not be reinstalled.
Backups can't be selectively restored (e.g. restoring only SMS/iMessage, voice mail, app layout, or whatever. So if there's trouble it means restoring a full backup (restoring the things that cause the issues) or losing several years of messaging history.
I'm really excited about a device like the iPad Pro, but thinking of a Pro device with such issues and no way for power users to go in and fix and diagnose issues, it's a no-go, as much as I like the hardware.
These devices are just nowhere near as bugfree as they would have to be to be locked down to the degree they are.
iOS needs to open up like OS X, especially for a so called Pro device.
So yes, battery life can vary widely, depending what bugs some third party software may trigger in iOS.
If you take the phone out of the box and use it as delivered, battery life is great; but install say 750 apps, and then you can start witnessing iOS freak outs as you keep installing additional apps.
Try say 1234 apps, and tell me if your phone or iPad still behave as they should...
The iPhone 6s exists to punish the armchair-engineering trolls: it's thicker and has a smaller battery than last year's model. You got what you wanted: a thicker iPhone.
"M9, Apple’s next-generation motion coprocessor, is embedded into A9, allowing more features to run all the time at lower power, including “Hey Siri,” without iPhone needing to be plugged in." (under the Advanced Technology section)
Thanks. Clearly I missed that. I'm curious how they are able to do the power management. Also, in regards to Watch, is that chip integrated already? I assume it's not.
PS: Regarding Watch, I like Power Reserve Mode but I do wish that the motion chip could still be active when it's in that mode, but I assume it's just too power hungry for that feature. Maybe one day.
Thanks. Clearly I missed that. I'm curious how they are able to do the power management. Also, in regards to Watch, is that chip integrated already? I assume it's not.
PS: Regarding Watch, I like Power Reserve Mode but I do wish that the motion chip could still be active when it's in that mode, but I assume it's just too power hungry for that feature. Maybe one day.
I don't know about the Watch S1 chip.
Apple's IC engineers continue to impress me. Intel does the "tick-tock" strategy, while Apple almost seems to skip the "tock" every Ax iteration.
From Wikipedia:
A4: 45nm
A5: 32nm
A6: 28nm
A7: 28nm (with 64-bit)
A8: 20nm
A9: 14/16nm
This fast progress is why I expect an Ax to be in a future MacBook.
That's a non sequitur unless you want to argue that this amazing YoY update from the iPhone 6-series to the iPhone 6S-series doesn't contain any innovations simply because the battery life stayed the same.
iOS unfortunately has serious issues
In a time long ago, I thought it was jailbreaking that caused the issues, but ever since I moved to the iPhone 5s and then 6 plus, I didn't jailbreak.
Some of my iPhones have been factory reset and set up from scratch, but with many apps installed iOS just can't hack it:
Suddenly the phone gets way hot, and one can almost watch the battery meter go down because somethings spin out of control (but because users are locked out, no way of telling what).
I have zombie apps: I delete them, after power cycle or reset they are back, other apps are half installed and can not be deleted not be reinstalled.
Backups can't be selectively restored (e.g. restoring only SMS/iMessage, voice mail, app layout, or whatever. So if there's trouble it means restoring a full backup (restoring the things that cause the issues) or losing several years of messaging history.
I'm really excited about a device like the iPad Pro, but thinking of a Pro device with such issues and no way for power users to go in and fix and diagnose issues, it's a no-go, as much as I like the hardware.
These devices are just nowhere near as bugfree as they would have to be to be locked down to the degree they are.
iOS needs to open up like OS X, especially for a so called Pro device.
So yes, battery life can vary widely, depending what bugs some third party software may trigger in iOS.
If you take the phone out of the box and use it as delivered, battery life is great; but install say 750 apps, and then you can start witnessing iOS freak outs as you keep installing additional apps.
Try say 1234 apps, and tell me if your phone or iPad still behave as they should...
Unfortunately it's not unthinkable that the iOS codebase is starting to look like the codebase of the classic Mac OS; with so many parts welded on top of what was a simple base that there are all kinds of weird problems that occur now.
Never had an issue with the 6 not lasting a full day. Most days I run down the battery with a video and/or the flashlight below 20% before I charge it at night.
The 1810mah unit in my 6 is already inadequate. This is the wrong way.
This is a different phone with vastly different electronics, you can't compare the two based on battery size.
Thus far both my iPhone and iPad have larger batteries than their successors, and in the case of the iPad that contributes significantly to runtime. We'll have to see on the phone. At least the iPhone's reduction was because of new features, not just for thinness.
Maybe, we don't know if the new features added significantly to a size reduction in the battery.
My 6 lasted all day. When I plugged it in at night it was usually around 15-20% remaining. My 6 Plus gets a full two days from a single charge. When I plug it in every other night, it's around 3-5% remaining. That's great considering these are very powerful computers in our pockets. This is my first iPhone that I have NOT had to charge every night, so I am not complaining! I remember when my old Nokia phones used to last 5-7 days on a singe charge!
My N95 was quoted at "12 days on standby" which it got when it was new, but hasn't been able to do for the last year. So this year is when I finally replace it.
Though I'm quite disappointed that the battery won't last as long as the iPad (3) does. The iPad, given it has a larger screen, lasts about 12 hours, with the WiFi and LTE radio's on. It lasts much longer with the radio's all off but too many software items require internet access to do anything useful.
its not about innovation. Its about setting unrealistic and unneccessary goal posts. 99% of the population does not need 2 day battery life. To reach that goal you would either need to have a whole new battery technology, a much bigger phone, or a less powerful phone.
So you want to have DOUBLE the battery life in a phone the same size?
That's like expecting a 2016 Ford Mustang to have DOUBLE the fuel economy with DOUBLE the horsepower as the previous years model. It isn't possible.
And even if it was possible ( a HUGE if) Apple would still not release a phone with 2 day battery life. Instead they would make the CPU/GPU run faster. Bottom line is MOST people want the most powerful phone in a nice package that last a day.
If you are so stuck on having 2 day battery life is buy a battery case.
I don't think there's a "realistic goalpost" in play here, just goalposts the trolls keep moving.
That's all that is happening here though: mindless, logic-dodging criticism (of Apple). The sport of Internet trolls.
Maybe, we don't know if the new features added significantly to a size reduction in the battery.
I think we can safely say the Taptic engine did pull space from the battery this time around. Honestly, even if the Taptic engine caused all the values to be reduced by an hour, I would be fine with it. It's not the ideal direction to go, but it's not like it would put it into a poor category.
Stop whining all you ignorant people over a smaller battery compared to iPhone 6. The 6S has a new processor as well built with higher process node than iPhone 6, hence delivers more power at almost half power consumption. Hence they are able to cut battery size, fit in a new haptic engine.
The **** are you talking about? Why are you still allowed anywhere near the internet?
The 6 already lasts all day. When I plug it in at night its never less than 40%. You're on drugs if you think battery life is not already more than adequate and has been for the last year.
Obviously, users experiences are going to vary depending upon how they use their phones and not everyone's experience is going to match your experience, so you really don't have to be so freaking obnoxious in your response. If I have a day where I've made/received several phone calls of decent length, I can run out of juice on my iPhone6 long before the end of the day. Not everyone spends their day at a desk where they can recharge their phone. And I keep Bluetooth off unless I'm in the car and keep the screen brightness at medium. I also turn off some other stuff to conserve battery life.
I'm in the camp that cares a lot less about thinness (which Apple seems as overly obsessed about as a teenage girl with anorexia) and a lot more about battery life. I would gladly buy a thicker iPhone that had a much longer battery life, especially since it's practically a requirement that one keep an iPhone in a case to keep it from getting destroyed if it's dropped and therefore, the benefits of the thinness disappear. (Or, keep it thin, but make it possible to switch out the battery, which actually wouldn't be difficult since the battery takes up the left side of the phone. All it needs is a door and for it to plug in instead of that cable.) Although my iPhone5 without a case miraculously survived a drop onto a concrete subway platform and then a second fall onto the tracks, it's amazing how many people I notice walking around with cracked screens.
When I saw the presentation, I wondered whether the taptic engine was going to take up room where the battery needed to go. I guess it did. That's fine...I have a long way to go on my contract anyway and this gives me a reason to wait for the next phone, which I hope will have a more powerful battery again.
I'm in the camp that cares a lot less about thinness (which Apple seems as overly obsessed about as a teenage girl with anorexia) and a lot more about battery life. I would gladly buy a thicker iPhone that had a much longer battery life, especially since it's practically a requirement that one keep an iPhone in a case to keep it from getting destroyed if it's dropped and therefore, the benefits of the thinness disappear.
Go get a battery case if you don't care about thinness and care more about battery life.
The rest of us 99.9% love that our phones are thin and easy to carry in our pocket.
All the case makers would go out of business if only 0.1% of iPhone users bought their products.
Not surprising. Apple did both an architectural update and a die shrink with the A9. They've nearly doubled the performance, and in all likelihood, the die shrink also significantly reduces the power consumption. If Apple kept the same battery capacity, then the 6s would have significantly more performance AND better battery life.
But, Apple also wanted to add the taptic engine and make the outer shell more durable, while keeping the exterior dimensions intact. Something had to give, and that was the battery capacity. Apple could have also increased the battery life by reducing the clock speed, but that would also reduce the performance. Clearly, Apple wants to establish a much higher performance baseline after keeping the baseline about the same with the 5s and 6/6 Plus.
Every iPhone update has had some form of engineering tradeoff.
Recall that the 5s went 64-bit and significantly increased the performance over the 5. Even though the A7 went through both an architectural change and a die shrink, Apple had to increase the battery capacity in order to maintain the battery life (not entirely successful, since the real world battery life of the 5s was less than the 5).
With the A8, Apple did not make any major architectural changes, but did have a die shrink, which significantly cut the power consumption. However, with the iPhone 6, any power consumption savings went to the larger screen and increased graphics resolution. The iPhone 6 also used a larger battery than the 5s. Both the battery life and the benchmark performance improved slightly compared to the 5s.
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Ah. Yeah, that's a big chip, but my guess is that it's likely still discreet. I guess we'll find out in a couple weeks. Two weeks from today, most likely, when iFixit flying to New Zealand or Australia to wait in line and then tear one down for us.
Apple said the M9 was now inside the A9.
"M9, Apple’s next-generation motion coprocessor, is embedded into A9, allowing more features to run all the time at lower power, including “Hey Siri,” without iPhone needing to be plugged in." (under the Advanced Technology section)
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2015/09/09Apple-Introduces-iPhone-6s-iPhone-6s-Plus.html
iOS unfortunately has serious issues
In a time long ago, I thought it was jailbreaking that caused the issues, but ever since I moved to the iPhone 5s and then 6 plus, I didn't jailbreak.
Some of my iPhones have been factory reset and set up from scratch, but with many apps installed iOS just can't hack it:
Suddenly the phone gets way hot, and one can almost watch the battery meter go down because somethings spin out of control (but because users are locked out, no way of telling what).
I have zombie apps: I delete them, after power cycle or reset they are back, other apps are half installed and can not be deleted not be reinstalled.
Backups can't be selectively restored (e.g. restoring only SMS/iMessage, voice mail, app layout, or whatever. So if there's trouble it means restoring a full backup (restoring the things that cause the issues) or losing several years of messaging history.
I'm really excited about a device like the iPad Pro, but thinking of a Pro device with such issues and no way for power users to go in and fix and diagnose issues, it's a no-go, as much as I like the hardware.
These devices are just nowhere near as bugfree as they would have to be to be locked down to the degree they are.
iOS needs to open up like OS X, especially for a so called Pro device.
So yes, battery life can vary widely, depending what bugs some third party software may trigger in iOS.
If you take the phone out of the box and use it as delivered, battery life is great; but install say 750 apps, and then you can start witnessing iOS freak outs as you keep installing additional apps.
Try say 1234 apps, and tell me if your phone or iPad still behave as they should...
The iPhone 6s exists to punish the armchair-engineering trolls: it's thicker and has a smaller battery than last year's model. You got what you wanted: a thicker iPhone.
Thanks. Clearly I missed that. I'm curious how they are able to do the power management. Also, in regards to Watch, is that chip integrated already? I assume it's not.
PS: Regarding Watch, I like Power Reserve Mode but I do wish that the motion chip could still be active when it's in that mode, but I assume it's just too power hungry for that feature. Maybe one day.
Why do you hate innovation so much?
Thanks. Clearly I missed that. I'm curious how they are able to do the power management. Also, in regards to Watch, is that chip integrated already? I assume it's not.
PS: Regarding Watch, I like Power Reserve Mode but I do wish that the motion chip could still be active when it's in that mode, but I assume it's just too power hungry for that feature. Maybe one day.
I don't know about the Watch S1 chip.
Apple's IC engineers continue to impress me. Intel does the "tick-tock" strategy, while Apple almost seems to skip the "tock" every Ax iteration.
From Wikipedia:
A4: 45nm
A5: 32nm
A6: 28nm
A7: 28nm (with 64-bit)
A8: 20nm
A9: 14/16nm
This fast progress is why I expect an Ax to be in a future MacBook.
That's a non sequitur unless you want to argue that this amazing YoY update from the iPhone 6-series to the iPhone 6S-series doesn't contain any innovations simply because the battery life stayed the same.
Unfortunately it's not unthinkable that the iOS codebase is starting to look like the codebase of the classic Mac OS; with so many parts welded on top of what was a simple base that there are all kinds of weird problems that occur now.
Maybe, we don't know if the new features added significantly to a size reduction in the battery.
My N95 was quoted at "12 days on standby" which it got when it was new, but hasn't been able to do for the last year. So this year is when I finally replace it.
Though I'm quite disappointed that the battery won't last as long as the iPad (3) does. The iPad, given it has a larger screen, lasts about 12 hours, with the WiFi and LTE radio's on. It lasts much longer with the radio's all off but too many software items require internet access to do anything useful.
I don't think there's a "realistic goalpost" in play here, just goalposts the trolls keep moving.
That's all that is happening here though: mindless, logic-dodging criticism (of Apple). The sport of Internet trolls.
I think we can safely say the Taptic engine did pull space from the battery this time around. Honestly, even if the Taptic engine caused all the values to be reduced by an hour, I would be fine with it. It's not the ideal direction to go, but it's not like it would put it into a poor category.
The **** are you talking about? Why are you still allowed anywhere near the internet?
The 6 already lasts all day. When I plug it in at night its never less than 40%. You're on drugs if you think battery life is not already more than adequate and has been for the last year.
Obviously, users experiences are going to vary depending upon how they use their phones and not everyone's experience is going to match your experience, so you really don't have to be so freaking obnoxious in your response. If I have a day where I've made/received several phone calls of decent length, I can run out of juice on my iPhone6 long before the end of the day. Not everyone spends their day at a desk where they can recharge their phone. And I keep Bluetooth off unless I'm in the car and keep the screen brightness at medium. I also turn off some other stuff to conserve battery life.
I'm in the camp that cares a lot less about thinness (which Apple seems as overly obsessed about as a teenage girl with anorexia) and a lot more about battery life. I would gladly buy a thicker iPhone that had a much longer battery life, especially since it's practically a requirement that one keep an iPhone in a case to keep it from getting destroyed if it's dropped and therefore, the benefits of the thinness disappear. (Or, keep it thin, but make it possible to switch out the battery, which actually wouldn't be difficult since the battery takes up the left side of the phone. All it needs is a door and for it to plug in instead of that cable.) Although my iPhone5 without a case miraculously survived a drop onto a concrete subway platform and then a second fall onto the tracks, it's amazing how many people I notice walking around with cracked screens.
When I saw the presentation, I wondered whether the taptic engine was going to take up room where the battery needed to go. I guess it did. That's fine...I have a long way to go on my contract anyway and this gives me a reason to wait for the next phone, which I hope will have a more powerful battery again.
Link please to the 99.9% that love phones thin and easy to carry in a pocket.
Oh wait, you're pulling crap numbers out of your rear-end again.
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All the case makers would go out of business if only 0.1% of iPhone users bought their products.
Not surprising. Apple did both an architectural update and a die shrink with the A9. They've nearly doubled the performance, and in all likelihood, the die shrink also significantly reduces the power consumption. If Apple kept the same battery capacity, then the 6s would have significantly more performance AND better battery life.
But, Apple also wanted to add the taptic engine and make the outer shell more durable, while keeping the exterior dimensions intact. Something had to give, and that was the battery capacity. Apple could have also increased the battery life by reducing the clock speed, but that would also reduce the performance. Clearly, Apple wants to establish a much higher performance baseline after keeping the baseline about the same with the 5s and 6/6 Plus.
Every iPhone update has had some form of engineering tradeoff.
Recall that the 5s went 64-bit and significantly increased the performance over the 5. Even though the A7 went through both an architectural change and a die shrink, Apple had to increase the battery capacity in order to maintain the battery life (not entirely successful, since the real world battery life of the 5s was less than the 5).
With the A8, Apple did not make any major architectural changes, but did have a die shrink, which significantly cut the power consumption. However, with the iPhone 6, any power consumption savings went to the larger screen and increased graphics resolution. The iPhone 6 also used a larger battery than the 5s. Both the battery life and the benchmark performance improved slightly compared to the 5s.